Kevin Samuels Discussion Thread

[Treblemaka]

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Uhh you do know 8 people in the mix group has gotten married. Who else is qualified or has produced as many results as him? He talks to modern women. It's his show and he does what he does.

Your arguments against him also work against you as well. Have you been married? Coli in general is GMB

Tinder has also produced married couples, many more than KS group. It could be that he is very careful about the types of people he let's in that group versus the people in his superchat that line his pockets and those who call in. I'm looking at the large majority of callers he's had, both male and female, over time it doesn't appear that his callers are getting more intelligent or better at attracting good mates. Why do the same types of people keep calling in with the same trope?

GMB should only be reserved for those that don't want to have children. A two parent home is the most stable for a child and the strongest form of a two parent home is a married couple. Children that don't grow up in a two parent household are:

- More likely to be underemployed
- More likely to go to jail
- More likely to have children out of wedlock
- Less likely to graduate high school
- less likely to get married
- more likely to live in poverty
- more likely to require government assistance
- less likely to own a home
- less likely to own a business

If you want black children to flourish then it makes sense to believe in black marriage. That is one thing me and KS def agree on.

 

[Easy-E]

It's because when some men disagree with any of KS talking points they get called

Simp
Weak
Dense
Lame
Pandering
White Knight
Etc.

Just look in this thread, people get attacked for having a differing view point.

KS doesn't need anyone to defend him. But fans clearly ride to his rescue almost anytime his viewpoint is challenged. The "Daddy" stuff is a response to his rabid fanbase.

Good point, but, two things;

What are people really arguing AGAINST Kevin Samuels about; he believes in black marriage and uses empirical and anecdotal data to sus out the problems in modern dating/marriage.

For example; you can disagree it's women's fault, but, you can't deny they file for 3/4's of all divorces.

Second. 99% of the Kevin Samuels' rebuttals are ad hominem attacks. And what's funny about them is if KS disappeared off the face of the planet tomorrow these issue would still exist.

Most posts about him, even on this board, "Ya'll really letting a dude that looks like this *posts sus pictures* tell ya'll about women?"

The last dude to spam this thread was mad Kevin said if your broke, then work more--even if it's McDonald's.

The only people I've seen defend him like that are people who look up up to him. I don't know anyone that has mentors or a real father that looks up to KS, so that's probably where the names come from.

He's no one to emulate from a life perspective unless you're in entertainment.

Men/boys, in general, don't have enough mentors.

 

[Roid Jones]

Men/boys, in general, don't have enough mentors.

You see it, I've asked KS detractors a bunch of times where should males get guidance/mentorships from NONE have yet to provide an adequate answer.

 

[Treblemaka]

Good point, but, two things;

What are people really arguing AGAINST Kevin Samuels about; he believes in black marriage and uses empirical and anecdotal data to sus out the problems in modern dating/marriage.

For example; you can disagree it's women's fault, but, you can't deny they file for 3/4's of all divorces.

Second. 99% of the Kevin Samuels' rebuttals are ad hominem attacks. And what's funny about them is if KS disappeared off the face of the planet tomorrow these issue would still exist.

Most posts about him, even on this board, "Ya'll really letting a dude that looks like this *posts sus pictures* tell ya'll about women?"

The last dude to spam this thread was mad Kevin said if your broke, then work more--even if it's McDonald's.



Men/boys, in general, don't have enough mentors.

I can't argue with his data or where he gets it from. Some of the stats particularly around black men I find troubling because I thought we were doing better.

While many of the attacks against KS are childish and def ad hominiem he doesn't really go anywhere that his viewpoint will be challenged. He needs to at least have control or be the focal point in order to execute his point.

I disagree that most posts on the board are criticizing him. Most of the post in this, probably the most posted thread on the Coli, are discussing his content in a positive way.

I agree that black Men/Boys do not have enough mentors. That is the the fault of black men directly and I believe that the emergence of the manosphere is an outcropping of not enough black boys and men having the quality mentorship they need and are seeking it online.

 

[goatmane]

So it's OK to worship an athlete for dribbling or catching a ball,, buy his jersey, put his name on your back, name your kid after him

But we can't listen a dude with reasonable dating / life advice? Seriously his shyt boils down to

- your past matters

- lose weight

- get therapy

- over a certain age, you have to be realistic

 

[Treblemaka]

You see it, I've asked KS detractors a bunch of times where should males get guidance/mentorships from NONE have yet to provide an adequate answer.

- If you work corporate and are worth a damn you can find a higher up that may be willing to work with you
- Attending networking events goes a long way
- Join the Black MBAs there are lots of mentors there
- If you have a profession with a trade union or guild stay active in it and seek a black man doing better than you
- Join a Charity organization that deals with higher end donors and network.
- As much as you guys like to shxt on them fraternities can have valuable mentors


No one told me how to get a mentor, I came across successful men and proved my value to them. I have mentees of my own now because they saw who I was connected to and sought game.

But if anything KS has said about his come up story or working hard and networking is foreign to you, you probably dont have the wherewithal to do anything but continue be spoonfed like a child.

 

[Standing on business]

Damn yall kind of proved @Treblemaka point the way yall came at him

 

[philmonroe]

So it's OK to worship an athlete for dribbling or catching a ball,, buy his jersey, put his name on your back, name your kid after him

But we can't listen a dude with reasonable dating / life advice? Seriously his shyt boils down to

- your past matters

- lose weight

- get therapy

- over a certain age, you have to be realistic

What kinda bird chick logic is you on? None of this shyt is cool fam if you not a kid. Also most people aren’t worshipping no athlete but I get you gotta stretch to make your bird comparisons make sense.

 

[Ahadi]

- If you work corporate and are worth a damn you can find a higher up that may be willing to work with you
- Attending networking events goes a long way
- Join the Black MBAs there are lots of mentors there
- If you have a profession with a trade union or guild stay active in it and seek a black man doing better than you
- Join a Charity organization that deals with higher end donors and network.
- As much as you guys like to shxt on them fraternities can have valuable mentors


No one told me how to get a mentor, I came across successful men and proved my value to them. I have mentees of my own now because they saw who I was connected to and sought game.

But if anything KS has said about his come up story or working hard and networking is foreign to you, you probably dont have the wherewithal to do anything but continue be spoonfed like a child.

That’s a problem, that no one told you how to get a mentor. The “black” community isn’t in a position to be hiding information from one another.

How did you prove your value? Because in my experience, I’ve met a lot of solid brehs, but at the same time other brehs who get off on being the token. Especially in corporate.

 

[Roid Jones]

- If you work corporate and are worth a damn you can find a higher up that may be willing to work with you
- Attending networking events goes a long way
- Join the Black MBAs there are lots of mentors there
- If you have a profession with a trade union or guild stay active in it and seek a black man doing better than you
- Join a Charity organization that deals with higher end donors and network.
- As much as you guys like to shxt on them fraternities can have valuable mentors


No one told me how to get a mentor, I came across successful men and proved my value to them. I have mentees of my own now because they saw who I was connected to and sought game.

But if anything KS has said about his come up story or working hard and networking is foreign to you, you probably dont have the wherewithal to do anything but continue be spoonfed like a child.

That's fantastic and echoes my views within the corporate world, I was LUCKY to have men guide me, now how does a teenager with no male influences in his life go about this?

 

[Roid Jones]

That’s a problem, that no one told you how to get a mentor. The “black” community isn’t in a position to be hiding information from one another.

How did you prove your value? Because in my experience, I’ve met a lot of solid brehs, but at the same time other brehs who get off on being the token. Especially in corporate.

Exactly, so many people are cowards and don't want to pass on knowledge then you have the idiots that think a black man SHOULD just magically know how to do things

 

[Treblemaka]

That’s a problem, that no one told you how to get a mentor. The “black” community isn’t in a position to be hiding information from one another.

How did you prove your value? Because in my experience, I’ve met a lot of solid brehs, but at the same time other brehs who get off on being the token. Especially in corporate.

I would ask to have lunch or a meeting with some of these guys (1 on 1). I would present my goals and corporate road map to them. They WILL ask about you to people in your department so you should have a good name. Ask them how you can assist them with their agenda (because every mid and upper manager has one) and carry out what they need done. Hopefully it will lead to hanging out outside of work and that when they start plugging you in with their network.

That's fantastic and echoes my views within the corporate world, I was LUCKY to have men guide me, now how does a teenager with no male influences in his life go about this?

This is why KS way of fixing relationship issues through women won't work. Men are leaders. If we are out of place it doesn't matter what women are doing right, our community will be in disarray. If men are handling their business as a group women will align over time. Why do you think the system works to break up the family unit?

A man on his square, who is confident, and in his purpose will have a network that he can plug his son and nephews into. But that's not possible if men are choosing terrible mothers for their children and not in their children's lives in a substantial way consistently raising their children. This is the biggest cause of problems in our community that none of the other races in this country outside native Americans have to deal with at the level we do.

It is very difficult for a teenager to find mentors unassisted, the good thing is that teen will eventually become a man and it will be on him to connect with people who will help him grow.

If he's college bound then there will be plenty of mentors on campus and through internships

If he's headed for a trade, hopefully their is a trade union or guild.

And if he's entrepreneurial minded there are Black BBBs that will help him.

 

[GilSho]

somebody posted a Ryan Davis video and he was saying the same thing. “ this y’all daddy?” Just strange to hear a man say that. Lol

What did you disagree with in particular?

 

[Two Stacks]

Black Women I see IRL and on social media will do EVERYTHING but work on being in shape.

Hair
Nails
Feet
Eyebrows
Lashes
Teeth
Surgery
Waist Trainers

But...

Change diet
Gym 3-5x a week

^^^^^there's no time, motivation, or discipline for those two. The weight trainers crush your organs, and the surgeries require maintenance and gym work as well. I just don't understand why Black Women don't hold each other accountable. it's a ton of pats on the back for bad behavior all around.

anything is possible, 100% optimism, and it's never women's fault. Talking about not settling for less at ages 40-50....when your life is half over.

Starting to see talk about communal living, but what happens if one of the women want to deal with a man, even temporarily? And Black Women themselves have long said you can't have two women live under the same roof, especially not two attractive women, gonna be some hating, and if one is way below another, that's going to cause hating as well.

 

[ogc163]

There are several valid counterarguments against Kevin's stances, but a majority of the critiques are ad hominem attacks, etched in bad faith assumptions, or primarily a critique of his audience rather than a critique of what he is saying.

The critiques based on his impact or potential impact is shallow and difficult to take seriously, because the dude is a YT host and expectations should fall in line with that fact.

A YT host can't substantially undermine a multifactored problem, at best Kevin can give young Black men some useful mental models in how to navigate relationships.

But in terms of Black men doing for self and being leaders of their community, Kevin has already told Black men that in order to have more leverage in life they need to improve their financial situation. However the existing Black leadership class have significantly underperformed over the last several decades, as evidenced by their values, habits, and networks not having the level of impact that would make Kevin's show unnecessary.