Kobe Right Now is Similar To Jordan On The Wizards

[Broke Wave]

Again, Allen Iverson averaged 33ppg the season they were 35-47, you don't see the correlation yet, and he didn't have anyone half as good as Dwight. Getting Dwight involved is just running the pick and roll, that's basically all you have to do with that simple nikka. You bring up Kobe playing like shyt against the Pacers, and yet blame that on his teammates somehow, nevermind the fact he had 3 assists, 10 turnovers and shot the ball 28 times, you're looking at nearly 50 possessions where Kobe had the ball once you factor in freethrow attempts as well. What team on earth can get into a rhythm when a dude that "isn't a facilitator" has the ball literally everytime up the court.





The numbers say differently, he nearly doubles up on his assist totals when they win and almost halves his turnovers.

Read the bolded from your own paragraph... that was the formula for literally 3 straight years of total dominance on the league

When you have 0 bench scoring and 0 scoring period from the rest of the team how can you fault someone for chucking? I personally take no issue with the way Kobe's been on offense, his defense has been infuriatingly bad but offensively kobe has been just fine, and he's even average 5 assists per game

Kobe wasn't facilitating in 08 09 or 10 he was doing his thug thizzle but the rest of the team was putting the ball in the basket that's the main difference on offense. When you give up so many fast break turnovers and are just horrendous in the half court set defensively I don't see how you can look to Kobe's near 50% shooting and blame him for anything on offense.
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MJ had 37ppg in a season where the Bulls we're garbage... IDK exactly what you're saying about empty stats... aren't all stats empty until you win the game?

 

[William Bassington]

spoken like a person who gets their knowledge from basketball-reference.com

You do realize websites separate the statlines by team if he's played on more than one squad in a season, right?

Nah I didn't realize that, I fukked up...sorry I don't keep players stats at the top of my head

 

[Long Live The Kane]

If the Lakers could play defense like you're doing for Kobe

You don't need to be a PG to run the PnR and if Kobe was actually trying to set Dwight up for easy baskets I wouldn't say anything, but that damn sure isn't happening.

You definitely need one if you're gonna run some kind of elite pick and roll heavy offense every trip down the floor that's supposedly gonna transform a less than 100% Dwight (who's already putting up pretty much his career average scoring numbers) into a pick and roll god that's gonna cure all the lakers' ills.....Kobe is good as the ballhandler in pick and roll situations in spots, but it's not something he will excell in full time (the TO numbers are a direct result of this)....last night alone I saw at least 3 or 4 different instances of kobe feeding and creating easy looks for dwight at the rim to mixed results (a dunk on one, being stripped multiple times, couple trips to the free throw line)... the nikka can't win unless he wins....and even then, y'all will nitpick every little thing about the win to discredit him...and like I said before this isn't a "Kobe right now is blameless and an absolutely perfect player" thread...nobody is saying he's infallible...it's a "Kobe right now is basically washed up and should retire thread" like he hasn't been playing at a top 5 All NBA 1st Team level this year, but on a team with some serious and real flaws....I'm not the one being unreasonable here...dismissing 29 5 and 5 on .611 TS% completely as "empty stats with no impact" is

 

[mvp_status]

Nah I didn't realize that, I fukked up...sorry I don't keep players stats at the top of my head

nikkas don't have to memorize stats to know that AI wasn't dropping no 18 points a game as a Sixer or a Nugget.

 

[William Bassington]

nikkas don't have to memorize stats to know that AI wasn't dropping no 18 points a game as a Sixer or a Nugget.

it didnt look right when typing it, but basketball-reference is a major source for me......I knew he was putting up 27 in Denver, but after he left there I know he had a few years where he looked like a shell..whatever I fukked up, doubt it happens again

 

[Serb]

Brehs i just watched the stephen a smith interview with hobe. THIS FOOL IS WATCHING OLD 23 INTERVIEWS TRYING TO EMULATE THE TONE OF VOICE AND EVERYTHING. IMPOSTOR!!

 

[Malta]

Read the bolded from your own paragraph... that was the formula for literally 3 straight years of total dominance on the league

So, Kobe is commanding the same amount of defensive attention today as he did then...right.

When you have 0 bench scoring and 0 scoring period from the rest of the team how can you fault someone for chucking? I personally take no issue with the way Kobe's been on offense, his defense has been infuriatingly bad but offensively kobe has been just fine, and he's even average 5 assists per game

You take no issue with him turning the ball over like it's going out of style, he averages more turnovers than assists in these big scoring games while dominating the ball. Sounds very Allen Iverson-ish to me

Kobe wasn't facilitating in 08 09 or 10 he was doing his thug thizzle but the rest of the team was putting the ball in the basket that's the main difference on offense. When you give up so many fast break turnovers and are just horrendous in the half court set defensively I don't see how you can look to Kobe's near 50% shooting and blame him for anything on offense.
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Kobe also didn't get put on timeout everytime he went against a very good defender either which seems to be the norm today. I bet he hates seeing the Nuggets and Grizzles on the schedule today, it's gonna be some 5-15 or 7-20 type nights when them boys roll into town.

MJ had 37ppg in a season where the Bulls we're garbage... IDK exactly what you're saying about empty stats... aren't all stats empty until you win the game?

Jordan had Hakeem on his team in 87?

 

[William Bassington]

dominating what his team losing

if thats the case, I dont want to hear shyt about Jordan's 37ppg ever again cause they finished 40-42 that year

 

[Malta]

You definitely need one if you're gonna run some kind of elite pick and roll heavy offense every trip down the floor that's supposedly gonna transform a less than 100% Dwight (who's already putting up pretty much his career average scoring numbers) into a pick and roll god that's gonna cure all the lakers' ills.....Kobe is good as the ballhandler in pick and roll situations in spots, but it's not something he will excell in full time (the TO numbers are a direct result of this)....last night alone I saw at least 3 or 4 different instances of kobe feeding and creating easy looks for dwight at the rim to mixed results (a dunk on one, being stripped multiple times, couple trips to the free throw line)... the nikka can't win unless he wins....and even then, y'all will nitpick every little thing about the win to discredit him...and like I said before this isn't a "Kobe right now is blameless and an absolutely perfect player" thread...nobody is saying he's infallible...it's a "Kobe right now is basically washed up and should retire thread" like he hasn't been playing at a top 5 All NBA 1st Team level this year, but on a team with some serious and real flaws....I'm not the one being unreasonable here...dismissing 29 5 and 5 on .611 TS% completely as "empty stats with no impact" is

Hedo Turkey-Glue ran the pick and roll with Dwight, he's not a PG, stop it.

Evan Turner runs the goddamn pick and roll with Spencer Hawes

You don't need to excel at it, it's how you keep Dwights dumb ass engaged in the game though. It's also how you get Mr. Robotic post moves some easy baskets. The Lakers have no problem throwing him the ball on the low block like he can actually do some damage there Yet Kobe won't run the PnR with him, where is the logic in that?

You gonna round up his turnovers to 4, since you rounded up his assists to 5? You keep bringing up stats, before they were never important, now they are, this shyt is comedy.

 

[Long Live The Kane]

Hedo Turkey-Glue ran the pick and roll with Dwight, he's not a PG, stop it.

Evan Turner runs the goddamn pick and roll with Spencer Hawes

You don't need to excel at it, it's how you keep Dwights dumb ass engaged in the game though. It's also how you get Mr. Robotic post moves some easy baskets. The Lakers have no problem throwing him the ball on the low block like he can actually do some damage there Yet Kobe won't run the PnR with him, where is the logic in that?

You gonna round up his turnovers to 4, since you rounded up his assists to 5? You keep bringing up stats, before they were never important, now they are, this shyt is comedy.

Kobe runs pick and roll too... I'm saying Kobe running the pick and roll all the game isn't ideal....you keep bringing up kobe's turnovers like him being forced to play de facto point ain't the primary cause of them...more forced pick and rolls with poor spacing equals MORE KOBE TURNOVERS...the lakers need a ballhanding point guard so that kobe can play off the ball and can do what he's best suited at doing still at an time great level....the entire premise of the thread is that this current incarnation of kobe is akin to a 40 year Jordan that most thought should have never came out of retirement...I bring up numbers because they show on an individual level, kobe's producing damn near identically to the 34 year jordan during his last season with the bulls......this Lakers team is certainly flawed, but the primary reason isn't because kobe is washed as a player and should retire...hell both Kobe and Dwight played great last night, but they still lost...running more kobe/dwight pick and rolls wouldn't have changed that

 

[FTBS]

if thats the case, I dont want to hear shyt about Jordan's 37ppg ever again cause they finished 40-42 that year

How much do you really hear about it in 2012? At the time Jordan was dimissed as a selfish chucker who couldn't make his teammates better.

I love how in depth nikkas get when Kobe's the one putting up numbers and his team is losing. It's like 05 all over again except he's got the best C in the league instead of Kwame. No matter how predictible it is I just can't help but when nikkas go all in depth about what Kobe's doing as an individual and how his teammates aren't getting the job done when the same cats wouldn't hesitate to talk about rings, or leadership, or clutch when shyt was going good and it was Bron or TMac or AI or even young MJ in the "putting up numbers while the team is losing" boat.

 

[Street Knowledge]

dominating what his team losing

Aint you the nikkaz that always say you can't judge a player by team success you have to judge them as an individual?

Oh that's only when kobe wins rings and we don't want to give him credit

 

[Jesus Is Lord]

Kobe is dominating right now 29/5/5 on a 61% TS(48% from the field)


This thread makes no sense

Dude, when Kobe was putting up similar AND better numbers, people still had dumb shyt to say. Don't waste your time in threads like these because it's not made on rationale.

 

[thelonious21]

I used to tell my boy D12 had post moves like a dinosaur.. lol I clowned that nikka so hard bout them moves.. fukking godzwa in the post

 

[FTBS]

Dude, when Kobe was putting up similar AND better numbers, people still had dumb shyt to say. Don't waste your time in threads like these because it's not made on rationale.

What great player can't you say this for? nikkas on losing teams catch shyt, no matter how great their numbers. I am not espousing that thought process however I do find if funny how nikkas can perpetuate it for years and then completely flip when the tide turns and then turn around and act like everybody else is on some bullshyt for using the same logic that they had been using. Anybody who has ever called Kobe a winner or talked about his 5 rings cannot just turn around and talk about numbers and teammates now.