Like Rubio isn’t a star but he’s one of the more acclaimed European prospects in the last 10-15 years. He was playing in the Olympics at like 18. And dudes are comparing LaMelo to him.
LaVar Ball: LiAngelo, LaMelo sign with agent, will play overseas
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Like Rubio isn’t a star but he’s one of the more acclaimed European prospects in the last 10-15 years. He was playing in the Olympics at like 18. And dudes are comparing LaMelo to him.
Dwight Howard
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I would say that Zion Williamson, hell a good amount of
well that just proves my point further. I know he was injured for a majority of the season and he wasnt getting burn at some pointMudiay played over 30 minutes per game
LaMelo will likely still get drafted unless he looks like pure unfiltered garbage over there
Dwight Howard
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Lamelo at 16 >> Rubio at 16 as a pure basketball talent. dude was implying Melo was too small to play, when an even smaller rubio was. looking back at it, Rubio was overrated as fukk.
GoddamnyamanProf
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Straight up delusional
*3 years later*
"What a performance by Kawhi Leonard and the Spurs, he got a lot of help from Semo "Buzy" tonight with 13pts, 14rebs and 3blks"
Lamelo at 16 >> Rubio at 16 as a pure basketball talent. dude was implying Melo was too small to play, when an even smaller rubio was. looking back at it, Rubio was overrated as fukk.
@tremonthustler1 its getting spicy breh.
kingjones29
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not really if it don't work out for the ball brothersthis is the beginning of the end of the NCAA
Dwight Howard
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Rubio was a highly regarded prospect cause they assumed and hoped (like every prospect) that he would develop an offensive game of some sort, dude 7 years in the league still shooting like shyt. now he still has some really good skills, but if they knew would they knew now about his offense..he wouldve been drafted in the 2nd round
They went after their senior years, LaMelo is going as a junior, he's going to need to show a lot of improvement and wont be able to play the style of game he's accustomed to.
The only other player I can think of that skipped his senior year in HS was Jeremy Tyler, and that didn't work out well. LaMelo is skipping his junior and senior year, that's pretty much unprecedented.
GoddamnyamanProf
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Funny you should say that
'This Isn't Entertainment Basketball': Do Ball Brothers Have a Future Overseas?
DAVID PICKDECEMBER 7, 2017
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TEL AVIV, ISRAEL — Lonzo Ball's agent and Ball family representative, Harrison Gaines, has put out word to international basketball organizations around Europe that Lonzo's highly publicized brothers, LiAngelo Ball, 19, and LaMelo Ball, 16, are looking for destinations to play professionally, but the effort has most credible European general managers rolling their eyes.
Earlier this week, LiAngelo, on an indefinite suspension at UCLA after his recent arrest in China for shoplifting while the Bruins were there to play an exhibition, was taken out of school by his father, LaVar. The goal was to shop his sons to international clubs to prep them for the NBA draft.
No NBA scouts B/R reached, however, felt LiAngelo would garner interest in the league, but the bar is lower abroad. A team may decide to take a chance for the global exposure that comes with being in the LaVar Ball sphere.
But it may not be easy to find a fit. Most European club executives with whom B/R spoke want nothing to do with the Balls, simply because neither son comes with a proven track record. Francesc Solana, general manager of Spanish club MoraBanc Andorra, and a regular at the annual NBA Summer League in Las Vegas, was approached by the Ball family this week but remains skeptical of their intentions and credentials.
"LiAngelo and LaMelo were offered to our team, both kids, looking for a deal in Europe. Money isn't an issue to them, but they have zero experience, so it's difficult to take them seriously," Solana said. "I don't know what to do with the dad, LaVar Ball (laughs). This isn't a good or normal situation; I don't like it, we are not going to sign them."
Indeed, the promotional skills LaVar has used in making the family a near-household name in media circles may be a detriment to securing the two youngest Ball brothers a spot with a team overseas.
"I think all the loud noise LaVar Ball makes is fake. It's to promote his Big Baller Brand and sell merchandise," said Nicola Alberani, GM for Scandone Avellino, currently the No. 2 seed in Italy's top division. "That works in the U.S., it doesn't work overseas."
Some basketball executives in Europe are wary of the attention LaVar Ball brings with his sons and their careers.Allen Berezovsky/Getty Images
Most well-respected European coaches, general managers and NBA scouts have never seen LiAngelo or LaMelo play. The majority of GMs B/R spoke with believe if the brothers do sign professionally abroad, it won't be for basketball reasons. A lower-division club, perhaps, but nobody thinks a high-profile team is realistic.
"I don't see LiAngelo or LaMelo playing on a real competitive team that wants to win," Alberani said. "In Europe, we have to win; this isn't entertainment basketball."
Some sources told B/R they didn't believe Europe would be an ideal destination for LiAngelo Ball, anyway, if the NBA truly is the eventual goal. Errick McCollum, the older brother of Portland Trail Blazers star C.J. McCollum and a former EuroCup MVP, views the politics of European coaching as a major hurdle for what the Balls are selling.
"Best player development teams would be in the U.S., because in Europe there is so much pressure on coaches to win," McCollum said. "They don't have time to risk trying to develop a young player like LiAngelo. They must win now or their job is in jeopardy."
Multiple people familiar with the international basketball marketplace believe China won't be an option for the Ball brothers either due to LiAngelo's recent legal trouble, not to mention the talent gap between him and your average Chinese Basketball Association player. Currently, former NBA players Willie Warren, Jeremy Pargo and Lavoy Allen serve in reserve roles in the CBA.
Finding a basketball home in Europe may be easier politically, but not practically.
Alberani believes the Balls may be underestimating the complexities of putting a team together in European professional basketball. Most clubs overseas have a limit on issuing visas and signing imports and thus reserve those spots for players who can help them compete now.
"Before I even sell a ticket to see LiAngelo and LaMelo, I need to pay the federation €27,000 to register them for the league," Alberani said. "It costs €13,500 per American in the Serie A League; €11,000 in the Serie A2 minors; and€9,000 in the Serie B. Teams pay the full amount even if he plays just one game and leaves. We only have eight visas for the season, so it's impossible for any team to waste that on the Ball kids."
LiAngelo Ball's lack of experience beyond high school concerns European teams whose primary focus is on winning, not player development.Josh Lefkowitz/Getty Images
One NBA scout interviewed believes all the shade being thrown LiAngelo Ball's way is premature. "He's not awful," said the scout. "Everyone will pile on him right now. But his body has gotten better, though still not where it needs to be. He can make jump shots coming from that offense in high school. There's a league for almost everyone internationally. It just may not be very desirable."
It's not unprecedented for American teenagers to play professionally in Europe. Brandon Jennings played in Rome in 2008. His team cashed out with an NBA buyout because he was a lottery pick. Of course, LiAngelo Ball likely isn't commanding any NBA attention yet, so there isn't much of a financial incentive for a team to sign him.
Beyond the brothers' skills, many European GMs wonder how LaVar Ball's antics will play in Europe vs. the U.S. "The question is why would anyone want to put themselves in a situation with LaVar Ball? The Balls have no idea what Lithuania, Croatia or Italy really is," said one top GM from Germany. "The best response is to avoid the situation. The European culture here is completely different from what they know in the U.S."
Romeo Travis, a European journeyman and former high school teammate of LeBron James at St. Vincent-St. Mary's in Akron, Ohio, thinks they should try to keep LiAngelo in college. But if they insist on him playing abroad, the Balls should go to a country "where they expect the Americans to shoot early and often, so he can get a better feel for the game."
"Europe is a cutthroat business. Managers and GMs don't like messy people.
"I think the smaller domestic leagues are best for player development that rely heavily on production for the foreigners," Travis said. "It's in his best interest to play so he can find out where there is leaks in his game."
Deon Thompson, a former collegiate star with the 2009 NCAA champion North Carolina Tar Heels, has won championships in Germany, Israel, Serbia and the Adriatic League, also doesn't believe Europe is the best place for the Ball family.
"I think it'll be hard. There aren't a lot of high school kids that can come over and adapt to the European game," Thompson said. "LiAngelo will need the right situation in Europe where he has the ball in his hands a lot, and there aren't many situations like that."
Alternatively, LiAngelo could test his skills in the NBA's G-League, but hurdles remain. Competition for G-league roster spots has become stiffer in recent years. More first-round picks are spending time there, and dozens of G-League starters have NBA experience.
Ball, who likely wasn't going to have a significant role in college, and who scouts never considered a prospect for the draft, would be a longshot. He's a power forward known for shooting, but he's also 6'5" and a below-the-rim athlete who shot 32 percent from three in high school, per Krossover (h/t ESPN's Jonathan Givony).
So where does this leave the Ball brothers? With few realistic options at hand, LaVar may have to speak them into existence.
That's what I'm sayin'. They were already set up to make it. Both had full rides set in stone at UCLA. Big bro is on the Lakers, a Facebook reality show, Melo is a star in high school, Gelo was set up- not a 'one n done' player but set up to make it if his game progressed. Why fukk all this up
Ya'll say Lavar is bucking the system but BBB right here on American soil playing in front of the American audience is the way to go for this type of setup!! You had the ultimate trifecta of Lonzo on the Lakers, Gelo at UCLA, and Melo still doin' the damn thang at Chino Hills
From a business perspective, WHY WOULD YOU fukk THIS UP???? Now you take them out of the States to some great unknown where you have no control over. If you're pro #BBB you can't applaud this move. Yeah he's bucking the NCAA and their bullshyt.. ok but the BBB brand could potentially become ten times bigger years from now-down the line by playing the High School-NCAA system which could mean greater independent #blackexcellence long term for BBB. The US is the home of basketball and home to the richest and biggest basketball league in the world. Going overseas is the move for young promising soccer players but you want to be in the USA when it comes to basketball. Its like Nas leaving Queens right before he's about to be discovered and linking up with Extra P but instead he moves to Spain and disappears. What happens in rap in the US blows up in other countries cause this is the home of rap. What happens here in basketball blows up in other countries cause this is the home of basketball. I could see if this was a Brandon Jennings situation but we're talking BBB business moves. Instead of always yellin' c00n this/ cac that, make chess moves and think big picture.
kingjones29
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brandon jennings did this move before in came into the league it didn't work out for him in europeThis is a good move. Havent we all said the NCAA is pimping players for earning them millions while not paying up?
This isnt the 1970s where talent scouts were afraid to leave mainland USA. You can be seen anywhere now. Dont people see every year its some random dude popping up in the top 5 draft board from Efhaihawianistan. I think more prospects should go overseas and play professionally
This move has my support.
cornercommission2k12
so this were u dudes went
Seems to be taking the stephen Marbury route.
Have them play in China
Become stars in China
BBB blows up in China like the starburys did.
Have them play in China
Become stars in China
BBB blows up in China like the starburys did.
I’m going to keep it a buck. I have dapped up a few posts about Lavar, and personally thought he’s hurting his boys with his helicopter actions, but this is actually a great decision. They will make more money and face tougher competition than in college. This will toughen up Melo too, especially if Lavar decides not to stay out there with them.
Will this help or hurt them in the end might be up to Lonzo. Why? If he’s considering by the media a bust, which is way too early for that ridiculous talk, scouts and media might take a pass at the brothers. If Melo kills out there, and make a buzz, he’s getting picked up regardless at 6”6.
Will this help or hurt them in the end might be up to Lonzo. Why? If he’s considering by the media a bust, which is way too early for that ridiculous talk, scouts and media might take a pass at the brothers. If Melo kills out there, and make a buzz, he’s getting picked up regardless at 6”6.
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Dwight Howard
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LaMelo might not get much PT his first year, but atleast he traning with professionals. thats better than just doing AAU over the summer. he could still do AAU and tall the camps I assume though right?..this is only a plus