Lebron and Kobe

[Poitier]

Kevin Garnett > Shaq

Brook Lopez > Shaq

Jamal Crawford > Lebron

Lebron is pretty much unstoppable and GOAT-tier at finishing and getting to the rim. He's so good at it that teams know exactly what he's gonna do and he can still do it. If two dudes can score a similar amount of points and one can do it in less tries, I'll take the dude that can do it in less tries all the time.

Kevin Garnett and Brook Lopez don't score on volume. Jamal Crawford can't score from everywhere on the floor with average efficiency.

So you'd take Nick Young over Lebron?

Nick Young can't score from anywhere on the floor.

 

[Draje]

Kevin Garnett and Brook Lopez don't score on volume. Jamal Crawford can't score from everywhere on the floor with average efficiency.



Nick Young can't score from anywhere on the floor.

So it's not versatility over efficiency? Simply put, you're dumb if you would rather score 35 on 27 attempts over 30 on 20 attempts just because you can get that 35 in a multitude of ways.

Lebron is elite at getting the best shot possible and that's not a flaw, it's a strength. Lebron is fairly efficient from most spots on the floor but he's most dangerous in the paint.

 

[Goat poster]

Shaq has one mvp too

Kareem has 2 finals mvps out of six championships

That doesn't add up either

And none of them are goat to me, so yeah it doesn't.

 

[Poitier]

So it's not versatility over efficiency? Simply put, you're dumb if you would rather score 35 on 27 attempts over 30 on 20 attempts just because you can get that 35 in a multitude of ways.

Lebron is elite at getting the best shot possible and that's not a flaw, it's a strength. Lebron is fairly efficient from most spots on the floor but he's most dangerous in the paint.

Are you dumb? You named a bunch of guys who CANNOT score anywhere from the floor. Kobe could score from the top of the key from 3, as well as either wing. He had an elite midrange game on either side. He could post-up. He could go left and right. He could slash. He was great in transition. He could run PnR. He could do all of these things on VOLUME and shoot 40-55%.

The biggest myth I see thrown around is that Kobe was inefficient when he was above league average for majority of his career. It's easy to tell fake stat nerds when they pull out the Nick Young, Jamal Crawford and AI comparisons to Kobe when those guys were below league average in efficiency, couldn't post up, no elite mid range game and were not ambidextrous in their scoring. Sure he doesn't shoot 60% in transition or in the paint like Lebron but he is efficient from EVERYWHERE on VOLUME. Lebron isn't consistent outside of transition or in the paint and surely not on volume.

 

[TheNig]

Honestly, who cares? I like Kobe more. Shouldn't that be enough?

 

[Jesus Is Lord]

What? You brought up Kareem and such.

You asked for my opinion.

Kobe is a more versatile and explosive scorer but Lebron is more consistent and effective. Kobe's a more talented scorer, a Lebron's a smarter offensive player. Kobe's a better shooter, Lebron is a better slasher and finisher.

They're about equal in overall scoring effectiveness, depending on what you want.

But Lebron is better in EVERY OTHER CATEGORY while being a comparable in scoring effectiveness. How is that a wrong statement?

Uhhh...yes?

Only Jordan is a better scorer than Prime Shaq. Maybe Kareem too.

YOU brought up Kareem.

Lebron is more of an efficient player who has a pass first mentality, who disputes that? That's a universal fact. However they are different types of players with different mentalities and goals. Kobe as any other sg in history won't average 7 boards in his career or HARDLY in one season, he's 6'6 210-220 lbs, he's a self admitted scorer FIRST. Lebron is 6'8 250-265 lbs freak of nature who's a self admitted passer first, he's Magic on steroids. Their numbers reflect who they are, their goals and what their teams need them to do. We've seen Kobe play pg and put up damn near triple doubles in a nice stretch last season, so it's not like he can't do it, that's just isn't him. Lebron is a beast, Kobe is a beast but to compare their numbers across he board is okay but there's more to it.

Lebron vs. Bird is a fair more balanced comparison. Care to compare their numbers?

 

[Draje]

Are you dumb? You named a bunch of guys who CANNOT score anywhere from the floor. Kobe could score from the top of the key from 3, as well as either wing. He had an elite midrange game on either side. He could post-up. He could go left and right. He could slash. He was great in transition. He could run PnR. He could do all of these things on VOLUME and shoot 45-55%.

The biggest myth I see thrown around is that Kobe was inefficient when he was above league average for majority of his career. It's easy to tell fake stat nerds when they pull out the Nick Young, Jamal Crawford and AI comparisons to Kobe when those guys were below league average in efficiency, couldn't post up, no elite mid range game and were not ambidextrous in their scoring. Sure he doesn't shoot 60% in transition or in the paint like Lebron but he is efficient from EVERYWHERE on VOLUME. Lebron isn't consistent outside of transition or in the paint and surely not on volume.

Who cares? Kobe is efficient for his volume but Lebron's sheer dominance in the paint balances that out because he's all but impossible to keep out of the paint. Scoring isn't just how many ways you can score, it's how effective you are at scoring and acting like Lebron isn't just as impactful as Kobe is asinine.

Bron's slashing & finishing ability is so damn elite that he scores PRIME KOBE NUMBERS on higher efficiency. Try to cry about how Kobe is kore versatile but it doesn't matter. That dominance can't be denied.

 

[Poitier]

Who cares? Kobe is efficient for his volume but Lebron's sheer dominance in the paint balances that out because he's all but impossible to keep out of the paint. Scoring isn't just how many ways you can score, it's how effective you are at scoring and acting like Lebron isn't just as impactful as Kobe is asinine.

Bron's slashing & finishing ability is so damn elite that he scores PRIME KOBE NUMBERS on higher efficiency. Try to cry about how Kobe is kore versatile but it doesn't matter. That dominance can't be denied.

It's a matter of preference. You prefer the guy with two go to areas with god like efficiency... I like the guy with all the go to areas on above average efficiency.

 

[Draje]

YOU brought up Kareem.

Lebron is more of an efficient player who has a pass first mentality, who disputes that? That's a universal fact. However they are different types of players with different mentalities and goals. Kobe as any other sg in history won't average 7 boards in his career or HARDLY in one season, he's 6'6 210-220 lbs, he's a self admitted scorer FIRST. Lebron is 6'8 250-265 lbs freak of nature who's a self admitted passer first, he's Magic on steroids. Their numbers reflect who they are, their goals and what their teams need them to do. We've seen Kobe play pg and put up damn near triple doubles in a nice stretch last season, so it's not like he can't do it, that's just isn't him. Lebron is a beast, Kobe is a beast but to compare their numbers across he board is okay but there's more to it.

Lebron vs. Bird is a fair more balanced comparison. Care to compare their numbers?

How do their numbers reflect that? Lebron averages similar points, despite not being a gunner, and more points and rebounds.

That's kinda terrifying. Lebron isn't even a score first type and he still puts up numbers comparable to one of the most prolific scores of all time over the course of a season.

 

[Draje]

It's a matter of preference. You prefer the guy with two go to areas with god like efficiency... I like the guy with all the go to areas on above average efficiency.

I've said this numerous Fukkin times.

Kobe and Lebron are about even in what their scoring brings a team and which you lean towards more is a matter of what you like. Kobe is kore versatile and explosive while Lebron is more consistent and efficient but they average out around the same level of impact.

Lebron gets my nod on terms of overall impact because he's a Kobe-class scorer (Not necessarily better or worse but even terms of effectiveness) but he's a better passer, playmaker, and rebounder aka the other things that win those ugly games (Kobe's 15 rebounds in a finals win) who typically needs less possessions to score similar points.

 

[Jesus Is Lord]

How do their numbers reflect that? Lebron averages similar points, despite not being a gunner, and more points and rebounds.

That's kinda terrifying. Lebron isn't even a score first type and he still puts up numbers comparable to one of the most prolific scores of all time over the course of a season.

Breh, I'm not a Lebron hater so I won't say shyt just to belittle his play or stats like you're doing with Kobe. Lebron is a beast and if he decided to be a gunner he wouldn't be the Lebon that we know. Everything else would be down, numbers and production wise. So it's not that terrifying at all, I already touched on why their numbers are different. It is what it is. You prefer Lebron and I prefer Kobe no matter how you dudes try to diminish his game and his dominance.

 

[Poitier]

I've said this numerous Fukkin times.

Kobe and Lebron are about even in what their scoring brings a team and which you lean towards more is a matter of what you like. Kobe is kore versatile and explosive while Lebron is more consistent and efficient but they average out around the same level of impact.

Lebron gets my nod on terms of overall impact because he's a Kobe-class scorer (Not necessarily better or worse but even terms of effectiveness) but he's a better passer, playmaker, and rebounder aka the other things that win those ugly games (Kobe's 15 rebounds in a finals win) who typically needs less possessions to score similar points.

Not really, TRB % is pretty similar given their size discrepancy and Lebron's AST % is only marginally better

 

[IGSaint12]

You're not saying anything. Kobe cares less and isn't as good. Lebron is smarter and plays better basketball.

And?

Lebron takes more efficient shots because he has one of the worst rebounding teams of all time and he prefers to make the most of each possession. Shot selection is a good quality, Breh.

Look, when you have a guy who says that he actively protects his fg% so that it will look more prettily efficient to box score watchers don't come to me with that he does this better shyt.

 

[Newzz]

Why is LeBron's best season not as good as Larry Bird's career average?

 

[PTBG]

If you want to compare both Kobe & Bron career, lets just use Kobe's stats as a starter instead:
Averages as a Starter
1998-99 to present
Regular Season
27.3 PPG | 5.7 RPG | 5.1 RPG | 1.6 BPG | 0.5 BPG | 3.2 TPG
.455 FG% | .334 3PT% | .840 FT%
Playoffs
27.4 PPG | 5.4 RPG | 5.1 RPG | 1.5 SPG | 0.7 BPG | 3.1 TPG
.449 FG% | .335 3PT% | .819 FT% |

Averages with Shaquille O'Neal
1996-97 to 2003-04
Regular Season
21.8 PPG | 5.0 RPG | 4.3 APG | 1.5 SPG | 0.6 BPG | 2.7 TPG
.454 FG% | .331 3PT% | .834 FT% |
Playoffs
22.6 PPG | 4.6 RPG | 4.4 APG | 1.4 SPG | 0.7 SPG | 2.7 TPG
.434 FG% | .323 3PT% | .792 FT% |

Averages Post Shaquille O'Neal
2004-05 to present
Regular Season
28.5 PPG | 5.5 RPG | 5.2 APG | 1.5 SPG | 0.4 BPG | 3.3 TPG
.453 FG% | .337 3PT% | .840 FT% |
Playoffs
29.2 PPG | 5.4 RPG | 5.1 APG | 1.5 SPG | 0.5 BPG | 3.2 TPG
.461 FG% | .337 3PT% | .840 FT% |