Lebron and Kobe

[FTBS]

Is LeBron not playing with a HOF big man in his prime while being in this small ball era?



Chris Bosh is still one of the top 5 PFs in the NBA.

Can you imagine Shaq getting assualted by Roy fukking Hibbert and held to 4 rpg in a Conference Final?


Bron plays more of a big man role for that squad than Bosh.

You just compared Chris Bosh to Shaq...you realize that right?

 

[Draje]

PER and Win shares? those archaic stat against weaker opponents amazing

Dude, Lebron's TS%, ORB%, AST%, ORTG, DRTG, and such are all higher than Kobe's.

 

[Poitier]

Dude, Lebron's TS%, ORB%, AST%, ORTG, DRTG, and such are all higher than Kobe's.

*Against weaker opponents* and we've already discussed efficiency and rebounding.

FYI you can't compare player DRTG across teams.

 

[GreatestLaker]

Who won it?

This is why I don't care for the MVP award like that. You got dudes like Nash, Rose and Iverson winning it.

 

[Newzz]

You didn't address what I said. If you wanna play the blind stats game and ignore any context and go blindy by career avg. Bron has Kobe beat in EVERY category except FT% and TO. Like I said that isn't the best route to go to try to make your point.

What are you talking about? LeBron is a former PG, SG, SF and a current PF. Bottomline is LeBron's a pass first player and NEVER played in a strict offensive set like Kobe has had too for the majority of his team. Kobe is a SG and has always been. Why would Kobe have more rebounds, than a SF/PF? Why would Kobe have more assists than LeBron when he has always played the traditional SG role or was in a structured Triangle offense while LeBron played distributer in offenses always tailored around him

For your name to be FTBS, you're really on some bs for real

So you're admitting that Lebron scores at a rate similar to Kobe and then stomps him in almost every other category over their career average.

GOOD JOB!

Shouldnt LeBron score more if he's ball hogging taking 20+ shots per game for his career?

 

[Draje]

*Against weaker opponents* and we've already discussed efficiency and rebounding.

So they're all higher against weaker opponents? So what makes Kobe a better playoff performer? You're comparing two things that are impossible to compare against because you have no idea how Lebron would do against the West teams either.

Oh, In the playoffs, Lebron's TRB% dwarfs Kobe's by 5% points which is pretty damn big for rebounds and his AST% dwarfs him by 10 percentage points and he's still more efficient.

How is Kobe's versatility that much better when Lebron dwarfs him in almost every category while still scoring similar amounts on higher efficiency?

 

[Draje]

What are you talking about? LeBron is a former PG, SG, SF and a current PF. Bottomline is LeBron's a pass first player and NEVER played in a strict offensive set like Kobe has had too for the majority of his team. Kobe is a SG and has always been. Why would Kobe have more rebounds, than a SF/PF? Why would Kobe have more assists than LeBron when he has always played the traditional SG role or was in a structured Triangle offense while LeBron played distributer in offenses always tailored around him

For your name to be FTBS, you're really on some bs for real



Shouldnt LeBron score more if he's ball hogging taking 20+ shots per game for his career?

And he does while also averaging more assists, more rebounds, and less turnovers.

What are you arguing again?

 

[Poitier]

So they're all higher against weaker opponents? So what makes Kobe a better playoff performer? You're comparing two things that are impossible to compare against because you have no idea how Lebron would do against the West teams either.

Oh, In the playoffs, Lebron's TRB% dwarfs Kobe's by 5% points which is pretty damn big for rebounds and his AST% dwarfs him by 10 percentage points and he's still more efficient.

How is Kobe's versatility that much better when Lebron dwarfs him in almost every category while still scoring similar amounts on higher efficiency?

You lack reading comprehension. Enjoy your delusions.

 

[FTBS]

What are you talking about? LeBron is a former PG, SG, SF and a current PF. Bottomline is LeBron's a pass first player and NEVER played in a strict offensive set like Kobe has had too for the majority of his team. Kobe is a SG and has always been. Why would Kobe have more rebounds, than a SF/PF? Why would Kobe have more assists than LeBron when he has always played the traditional SG role or was in a structured Triangle offense while LeBron played distributer in offenses always tailored around him

For your name to be FTBS, you're really on some bs for real

What does any of that have to do with what I said breh? You really aren't getting my point are you? You are so far in "ride for Kobe" mode that my point just went right over your head didn't it?

 

[Newzz]

Can you imagine Shaq getting assualted by Roy fukking Hibbert and held to 4 rpg in a Conference Final?


Bron plays more of a big man role for that squad than Bosh.

You just compared Chris Bosh to Shaq...you realize that right?

Did I?


AGAIN, LeBron is playing in the Small Ball era playing with a HOF big man, who's STILL Top 5 PF in the NBA, and is STILL in his prime. No matter how hard you try to spin it, you cant



And while you are on your spin cycle bs, isnt a Bosh 6'11 and 235 lbs PF playing C while Roy Hibbert is a 7'2 290 lbs legitimate center? Have you ever seen Shaq on the court against somebody who's a defensive first player and was also 3 inches and 55 lbs HEAVIER than Shaq? No. It's never happened.

 

[FTBS]

Did I?


AGAIN, LeBron is playing in the Small Ball era playing with a HOF big man, who's STILL Top 5 PF in the NBA, and is STILL in his prime. No matter how hard you try to spin it, you cant



And while you are on your spin cycle bs, isnt a Bosh 6'11 and 235 lbs PF playing C while Roy Hibbert is a 7'2 290 lbs legitimate center? Have you ever seen Shaq on the court against somebody who's a defensive first player and was also 3 inches and 55 lbs HEAVIER than Shaq? No. It's never happened.

Wow you are really flailing aren't you? Just getting your windmill on huh? You really took it to "Has Shaq ever played against somebody that much bigger than him" Anything but the actual point huh?

You are belaboring the HOF status of a "bigman" that Bron grabs more boards than to somehow try to negate my point about Kobe playing with Shaq and I am spinning?

 

[Newzz]

What does any of that have to do with what I said breh? You really aren't getting my point are you? You are so far in "ride for Kobe" mode that my point just went right over your head didn't it?

You havent said anything I've already addressed any points you thought you were making. You said:

If you wanna play the blind stats game and ignore any context and go blindy by career avg. Bron has Kobe beat in EVERY category except FT% and TO. Like I said that isn't the best route to go to try to make your point.

Points?

the difference in their points come down to LeBron taking and making 1 single more shot per game than Kobe did

Rebounds?

.Why would Kobe have more rebounds, than a SF/PF?

Assists?

Why would Kobe have more assists than LeBron when he has always played the traditional SG role or was in a structured Triangle offense while LeBron played distributer in offenses always tailored around him

I never ignore context unless I'm talking to people who do it to try and prove THEIR point. If we gonna go by "career averages", yes LeBron's more of a chucker than Kobe. If yall wanna go by Kobe's numbers since he became a starter, then we can discuss starting from there. The guy @Draje JUST said he doesnt go by career averages, but then posts:

"So you're admitting that Lebron scores at a rate similar to Kobe and then stomps him in almost every other category over their career average.

GOOD JOB!"



If that's what he wanna do, then that's what I'm on.

 

[ReggieFlare]

You also discount the fact that Lebron plays with Wade, Bosh and Ray Allen, which is why he's become so efficient. He wasn't anywhere near a 60% clip in Cleveland. You can't be that efficient when you're the primary scorer and the entire d collapses on you.....instead of having three allstars to pass to in Miami. Another fact you choose to ignore......Wade and Bosh's field goal percentage shot up after they started playing together too.

LeBron is averaging the 60% this year, which:
1. Wade has missed damn near half the season and has rarely played on a superstar level
2. Ray Allen is shooting in the ballpark of the worst percentages in his career
3. Bosh is not a better option than any Kobe has had

 

[RugbyCardigan]

This is why I don't care for the MVP award like that. You got dudes like Nash, Rose and Iverson winning it.

Or you don't care for it cause Kobe has one.

 

[Newzz]

Wow you are really flailing aren't you? Just getting your windmill on huh? You really took it to "Has Shaq ever played against somebody that much bigger than him" Anything but the actual point huh?

You are belaboring the HOF status of a "bigman" that Bron grabs more boards than to somehow try to negate my point about Kobe playing with Shaq and I am spinning?

You tell me what Kobe playing with Shaq from 1997-2004 has to do with LeBron himself playing with a HOF big man in the Small Era?