LeBron didn't play for stats tonight....he played to win

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Stop hiding behind semantics ..you got caught saying some dumb hypocritical shyt..just leave it at that.

Everything I say is clear and with purpose. This is not hiding behind semantics. Just because you're not smart enough to comprehend the english language isn't my problem.
 
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by definition that is still giving them the ball. again you are not considering the play of others as a factor in LeBron's response.

one could even suggest your thought that his teammates don't get to handle the ball or create actually makes them look worse. as according to you they only have one role, that of a spot up shooter. a role which it could be argued they often fail at.

also in any team scenario someones talent/opportunities will be reduced. even in the situation you are trying setup to increase the opportunities of the other players would mean to decrease the opportunity of stars. The challenge as I see it, is not to increase everyones chances but to increase overall team efficacy.

Have you ever played basketball before? People want to touch the ball to feel apart of the game. That's why teams with lots of ball movement win the most. Great coaches like Phil Jackson say things like "the ball has energy" for a reason. The more players touch the ball, the harder they'll play on defense. The Cavs main problem all year has been DEFENSE not offense. And the best way to motivate players to play better defense is for them to touch the ball on offense. When the Cavs play like they did in game 2 where its all LeBron all the time on offense, they become horrible defensively. With LeBron leading the way. However, when they share the ball like they did last night, and their leader actually plays some defense, they collectively play better defense too.

Stop thinking sports can be reduced to math equations. Basketball is more like art or chemistry. Guys need to feel good to play good. And the best way to feel good as a basketball player is to see the ball on offense. LeBron dominating the ball and kicking it out to guys to spot up and shoot doesn't do that. However, LeBron playing more off the ball and allowing others to touch the ball and run the offense helps the team play better overall and ultimately win.

This is why great coaches don't run the type of offense the Cavs run with LeBron even when they have equally great players. See the Bulls and Lakers with Phil Jackson. Kobe and Jordan never played the way LeBron does because Phil Jackson was smart enough to know that isn't how you win championships. You need an offense where everyone touches the ball to win. Not an offense where one guy is pounding the ball every play for 20 seconds.
 

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You can’t win if you don’t achieve certain stats..... like scoring.

But how about it looked like “his team finally decided to join Lebron and actually play”.

People gotta stop being so ultra critical of Lebron and at the same time absolving his teammates of their responsibility as players that are too getting paid millions to play in the team.

Cats love to do the whole “well if Bron was really the GOAT, he’d be doing X,Y, Z.” Well if you’re supposed to be one of the 350+ NBA players in the league to make a team, you too have your responsibility that you need to be held accountable too

Bron has literally been the only player I’ve ever seen that has had 40+ppg 15+reb 12+ast games but his 2nd and 3rd best players stats looks like 8-10pts, 4-6rebs, 3-5ast and NO DEFENSE.

And cats legitimately scream “Lebron needs to do more”

Whatever happened to “accountability” with other cats? Cuz if 8pts and etc is all they gonna bring. Cavs GM might as well sign some of the coli brehs to this team.

Hell for $30M atleast I would try to lockdown who ever I needed to guard and get like 15ppg and fukking rebound

Martha
 
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Let’s say this silly assessment of Lebron’s game was true, what was different about it last night? Who else beside Lebron really handled the ball last night? The only other 2 players on the Cavs who halfway got to handle the ball other than Lebron were Love and Hill and they both had subpar nights trying to create for themselves. Other than the few baskets that love and hill created combined, everything else was off of “bron ball” like it usually is. The difference is like the other poster said, the role players were hitting shots and finishing plays this game that they weren’t in the previous 2.

Again, you’ve offered no evidence supporting your bullshyt point. Who else got to handle the ball and was successful at creating offense with the ball last night other than Lebron?


4 straight finals on the back end of wade’s career including back to back rings isn’t meshing well? You just don’t know the game dude. Your threads are an embarrassment.

See my earlier post in response to @Karume for more detail of my argument. The main difference between game 2 and game 3 was DEFENSE. And if you ever played basketball, you would know that the more guys touch the ball on offense the harder they play on defense. The saying is that the ball has energy. And if one guy has the ball all the time, he saps the energy out of everyone else. That is what happened in game 2 with LeBron dominating the ball so much. Yes he was efficient with his touches, however, the negative byproduct of all that ball domination was the fact that he sucked the energy out of his teammates to play harder on defense. It also didn't help that he didn't play a lick of defense either. When your teammates see you not playing defense, they will follow suit.

The reason you let George Hill and Kevin Love run the offense even if they are less efficient than LeBron is because they will make up for that dip in efficiency by playing harder on defense and ultimately helping win the game. This is why Phil Jackson and nearly every other great coach in NBA history that has won multiple titles never ran the kind of offense LeBron has run for his entire career. One guy dominating possession that much is just not conducive to winning. It worked in Miami because their talent was so overwhelming. However, it won't work now that LeBron's team can't just out-talent the opposition anymore.

Get your head out of the math equations and actually go to the park and play some ball and maybe you'll understand what we're talking about.
 
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You can’t win if you don’t achieve certain stats..... like scoring.

But how about it looked like “his team finally decided to join Lebron and actually play”.

People gotta stop being so ultra critical of Lebron and at the same time absolving his teammates of their responsibility as players that are too getting paid millions to play in the team.

Cats love to do the whole “well if Bron was really the GOAT, he’d be doing X,Y, Z.” Well if you’re supposed to be one of the 350+ NBA players in the league to make a team, you too have your responsibility that you need to be held accountable too

Bron has literally been the only player I’ve ever seen that has had 40+ppg 15+reb 12+ast games but his 2nd and 3rd best players stats looks like 8-10pts, 4-6rebs, 3-5ast and NO DEFENSE.

And cats legitimately scream “Lebron needs to do more”

Whatever happened to “accountability” with other cats? Cuz if 8pts and etc is all they gonna bring. Cavs GM might as well sign some of the coli brehs to this team.

Hell for $30M atleast I would try to lockdown who ever I needed to guard and get like 15ppg and fukking rebound

Martha

Have you ever played basketball in your life? If you have, tell me how you would react if one dude is dribbling the ball all day on offense, taking nearly every shot. And when he's not shooting, he waits until the shot clock is running out to kick it out to someone to take a jump shot so he can record an assist. Plus this dude isn't playing a lick of defense as he saves his energy for offense.

How would you react? Would you play hard on defense? Or would you slack off on defense like him?

There's a reason all the great coaches say the ball has energy. Coaches like Phil Jackson didn't emphasize ball movement just so they can be efficient on offense. They also do it so that the players will play harder on defense. Cause they all know that the more guys touch the ball on offense the harder they play on defense. Why else do you think Boston is #1 in the NBA defensively. Its not just great coaching. Its also because they are so balanced scoring the ball on offense, everyone feels apart of the offense, and thus plays harder on defense knowing they'll see the ball when they regain possession.

Topics like this separate the guys who have actually played ball from the nerds who just play video games and think analytics tell them what they need to know about the game.
 

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Have you ever played basketball before? People want to touch the ball to feel apart of the game. That's why teams with lots of ball movement win the most. Great coaches like Phil Jackson say things like "the ball has energy" for a reason. The more players touch the ball, the harder they'll play on defense. The Cavs main problem all year has been DEFENSE not offense. And the best way to motivate players to play better defense is for them to touch the ball on offense. When the Cavs play like they did in game 2 where its all LeBron all the time on offense, they become horrible defensively. With LeBron leading the way. However, when they share the ball like they did last night, and their leader actually plays some defense, they collectively play better defense too.

Stop thinking sports can be reduced to math equations. Basketball is more like art or chemistry. Guys need to feel good to play good. And the best way to feel good as a basketball player is to see the ball on offense. LeBron dominating the ball and kicking it out to guys to spot up and shoot doesn't do that. However, LeBron playing more off the ball and allowing others to touch the ball and run the offense helps the team play better overall and ultimately win.

This is why great coaches don't run the type of offense the Cavs run with LeBron even when they have equally great players. See the Bulls and Lakers with Phil Jackson. Kobe and Jordan never played the way LeBron does because Phil Jackson was smart enough to know that isn't how you win championships. You need an offense where everyone touches the ball to win. Not an offense where one guy is pounding the ball every play for 20 seconds.
breh I played in high school, college intramurals, and military intramurals. teams with lots ball movement don't simply win the most. its the teams with the most talent that moves the ball that wins the most. a subtle distinction I'm not sure you grasp.

these are grown men paid millions of dollars, that should be motivation enough. that being said why would you force feed the ball to people who are ineffective with it? that doesn't lead to wins. the reason more coaches don't run the type of offense the cavs do is they don't have a talent with the ball anywhere near LeBron or that the team talent is so balanced that it wouldn't make sense to have a ball dominant person. a team like GS doesn't win simply because they move the ball its because they have multiple players who can be effective with it.
 

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See my earlier post in response to @Karume for more detail of my argument. The main difference between game 2 and game 3 was DEFENSE. And if you ever played basketball, you would know that the more guys touch the ball on offense the harder they play on defense. The saying is that the ball has energy. And if one guy has the ball all the time, he saps the energy out of everyone else. That is what happened in game 2 with LeBron dominating the ball so much. Yes he was efficient with his touches, however, the negative byproduct of all that ball domination was the fact that he sucked the energy out of his teammates to play harder on defense. It also didn't help that he didn't play a lick of defense either. When your teammates see you not playing defense, they will follow suit.

The reason you let George Hill and Kevin Love run the offense even if they are less efficient than LeBron is because they will make up for that dip in efficiency by playing harder on defense and ultimately helping win the game. This is why Phil Jackson and nearly every other great coach in NBA history that has won multiple titles never ran the kind of offense LeBron has run for his entire career. One guy dominating possession that much is just not conducive to winning. It worked in Miami because their talent was so overwhelming. However, it won't work now that LeBron's team can't just out-talent the opposition anymore.

Get your head out of the math equations and actually go to the park and play some ball and maybe you'll understand what we're talking about.
You’re lying tho. Love and hill weren’t running the offense last night. Lebron ran the offense and dominated the ball as he always does. You have no point here.
 

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You can’t win if you don’t achieve certain stats..... like scoring.

But how about it looked like “his team finally decided to join Lebron and actually play”.

People gotta stop being so ultra critical of Lebron and at the same time absolving his teammates of their responsibility as players that are too getting paid millions to play in the team.

Cats love to do the whole “well if Bron was really the GOAT, he’d be doing X,Y, Z.” Well if you’re supposed to be one of the 350+ NBA players in the league to make a team, you too have your responsibility that you need to be held accountable too

Bron has literally been the only player I’ve ever seen that has had 40+ppg 15+reb 12+ast games but his 2nd and 3rd best players stats looks like 8-10pts, 4-6rebs, 3-5ast and NO DEFENSE.

And cats legitimately scream “Lebron needs to do more”

Whatever happened to “accountability” with other cats? Cuz if 8pts and etc is all they gonna bring. Cavs GM might as well sign some of the coli brehs to this team.

Hell for $30M atleast I would try to lockdown who ever I needed to guard and get like 15ppg and fukking rebound

Martha
If they gave me JR Smith game salary for game 1 and 2. On god, I would give them more offense. All I wound need to get is 4 points. I can do that shyt.
 
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