LeBron keeps cookin defenders with this weak ass move

[Controversy]

You've shifted the goalposts like six times now.


"LeBron can't score outside."

Proved wrong.

"Well, he can't score in big playoff games."

Proved wrong.

"Well, he can't score in big playoff games in the clutch."

Proved wrong.

"Well, he can't score in big playoff games in the clutch against good teams."

Proved wrong.....

"Well, he can't score in big playoff games in the clutch against good teams in the Finals."

Proved wrong. He looked best in the clutch during his BIGGEST Finals games.



Already down 1-0 to the Thunder and clinging to a 3-point lead with 1:23 left, LeBron hits a sick fadeaway jumper to stretch the lead to 5, then hits two huge clutch free throws up just 2 with 7 seconds left to seal the win:





Then in Game 3, up 5 with 4 minutes left in the game, LBJ scores 6 of 8 down the stretch to preserve a tight win:





Game 4, tie game with 5 minutes left, LeBron's leg cramps up, hobbling him....yet he still breaks the tie with a bank shot and then, with the game tied again and just 2:50 remaining, hits the huge tie-breaking three.





Facing elimination in Game 6 of the 2013 Finals, down 10 going into the 4th, LeBron scores 18 points in the final 12:10 of regulation, including the 3pt with 22 seconds left that cut the lead to 2, and then scores the go-ahead bucket with 1:43 left in overtime that gives Miami the win:





Clinging to a tight lead in Game 7 of the 2013 Finals, LeBron scores 8 points in the final 6 minutes, all on jumpers, including the clutch jumper up 2 with 23 seconds left that ices the game.





Game 7 of the 2016 Finals, LBJ scores 11 in the 4th including 9 of the final 12 points over the last 5:30 when they were down four.






Those were the biggest ones cause those got him rings. But you could also mention the game-tying 3 in Game 1 of the 2015 Finals (part of 11 fourth-quarter points), scoring 13 points in the last 7 minutes of Game 3 of the 2015 Finals to squeeze out that game, scoring 9 straight points in the final 3 minutes of Game 1 of the 2018 Finals to come back from a 6-point deficit and put them a missed Hill ft away from winning the game, etc. Even way back in 2007 he had great 4th-quarter performances against the Spurs in Game 3 and Game 4 and only barely missed each one.

I'm not going to argue with you about every damn thing

LBJ is a top 10 player of all time

however, as I stated, shooting outside the paint is still his Achilles heel. The #s don't lie, he's efficient at the rim and nowhere else.

his iconic finals moment is watching helplessly, not involved in the play, not once but twice



nikka played like ass against the Spurs in 07, Dallas in 11, Spurs again in 14 (accumulated stats when games were out of hand), couldn't shoot outside the paint in 15, saved by Kyrie in 16, outplayed by KD in 17 & 18

Bron has playoff moments, sure he does...but when the rim is protected, he struggles. It's been like that his whole career, 90% of teams can't adequately protect the rim in the modern nba

he's all time great but when you need him to get you buckets when defender is draped all over him, he's gonna pass...he's not a killer

and don't get me started on the FTs

If you need him to hit 3 FTs to force OT in game 7, you can Fugget about it



Bottom line is Bron ain't getting you 3 buckets in a row in the finals in the clutch game in & game put...his game is predicated on making the right play, not being a killer

 

[murksiderock]

That's mainly because he's been part of a weak generation stylistically. Kids growing up now don't know any better. And for us older heads we got no choice cause the rest of the NBA sucks as well when it comes to aesthetic styles of play.

If Bron's prime was paired with guys like Iverson, T-Mac, and Vince (as was the case with Kobe in the early 2000s) he would be far less popular. Most kids today would be rocking with Iverson, T-Mac, and Vince instead of LeBron because of their superior style of play. Bron's just lucky he's had dudes with games even uglier than his to compete with in this era like Giannis and Harden.

You really overrate the 00s guys. Not that they weren't great in their own right, but come on...

LeBron's prime didn't much overlap with AI or Mac, but you're on some good dope if you think those guys would render him less popular. Two guys who struggled to win in an even more inferior era of The East than the one LeBron dominated, yet you gas those dudes constantly...

LeBron and Kobe's primes overlapped for about 9 years, I don't know why guys on here act as if they never played with each other. In that time, both won two titles, two FMVPs, both missed the '05 playoffs...

LeBron played in the weaker conference but led his team to the better regular season record all but 2008, with a better traditional statline H2H (28.6/7.9/7.3/2.1/0.7, .469/.310/.709) vs Kobe's (26.1/4.9/5.1/1.2/0.2, .420/.297/.853), both on roughly 22 shots/game...

Conference finals record was LeBron 4-1/Kobe 3-0; LeBron got to more Finals, Kobe lost twice in the 1st Rd, LeBron 4 MVPs to Kobe's 1, and the telling stat is H2H LeBron was 13-5 vs Kobe in the 9 years their prime overlapped...

Shouldn't have to qualify this, but obviously they met at different stages of their primes, Kobe mid-to-late prime, LeBron early-to-mid prime, but they were both Top 10 players right around 2004-2013. So this isn't a tiny sample size, nikkas on here can have whatever justifications they want to prefer Kobe but all the evidence is on deck for people to view, if they apparently didn't actually watch the games they matched up against one another in real time...

We saw them in real time so we already know Kobe was more popular early but that didn't nullify LeBron matching his popularity about halfway thru...

You can call his game ugly but none of these "pretty nikkas" put forth stronger results so whatever point you're making is inconsequential...

If you ever played basketball you would know why the players who PLAYED AGAINST both Kobe and LeBron almost always favor Kobe. It has nothing to do with age.

A ton of it is built on generational bias, stop it. And while I enjoyed Kobe's game, and wouldnt characterize him as "inefficient" given the main era he played in, he was less efficient than LeBron...

Kobe is often characterized as the "best bad shot maker" ever. Which is kind of a backhanded compliment----->he took a lot of bad shots. Again, you've never heard me call him "inefficient" because we have to weigh players in the time they played, but he missed alota shots, bro. If you're objective, where does that come into play re: beauty of game?

I also never saw him as a greater defender than LeBron, maybe on ball, but LeBron was a more impactful defender period and his ability to control a game based on his defensive versatility and acuity was a level of skill Kobe didn't have. That doesnt factor into "beauty of game"? All the handles and shyt, again I think you place higher precedence on that and other fundamentals like footwork, which, while if a guy who is strong on fundamentals is notable, that shyt has literally zero bearing on the results you put on the table...

If it did the most technically sound players would dominate the NBA period, and that has never been the case in the 21 years I've watched basketball...

Guys who played against both are certainly entitled to their opinion and I don't begrudge them for it, but we're not about to pretend there isn't generational bias, it's very obvious...

 

[murksiderock]

LBJ is a career 36% shooter outside of 3 ft

This is the hill you wanna die on lmfao...

I just gotta hit this again because it is SO bad.

2006 1st round: Averages 36-8-6 and only NBA player ever to hit multiple game-winners in his first-ever playoff series.





2007 ECF: Scores 45-5-6 including 29 of the final 30 points in the pivotal Game 5 on Detroit's home court, driving and dunking to send the game into overtime and then hitting a layup while quadruple-covered for the game-winner in double overtime.





2008 ECSF: Extremely outmatched against a fantastic Celtics team, scores 35, 32, and 45 in the final three games, only going down late in Game 7 in an epic duel with Paul Pierce. He also hit 7 game-winning or game-tying shots that season.





2009 ECF: Averaged 39-8-8 against the Magic, hitting a game-winner in Game 2 and nearly hitting back-to-back threes in overtime to win Game 4.





2011 ECSF: Down to the Celtics late in Game 4, LBJ scores 10 of the last 12 including the last 7 to send the game into overtime, then hits the go-ahead basket in overtime. With the score tied and 2 minutes left in Game 5, LBJ scores the final 10 points of the game to put the Celtics away.






2011 ECF: Hits huge shots all series long including the go-ahead basket in Game 2, Game 4, AND Game 5. Down 8 with just 2 minutes left in Game 5, he scores 8 points in 90 seconds (all on long jumpers) to drive a game-winning and series-ending 12-2 run.







2012 ECSF: Down 2-1 to the Pacers and with Bosh out and Wade dealing with a bum knee, LeBron goes off for 40-18-9 in Game 4 to even the series and resurrect Miami's season.





2012 ECF: Down 3-2 to the Celtics and with Bosh at 50%, LeBron goes off for 45-15-5 in Boston to pull their hearts out and then takes them out in Game 7.





2013 ECF: Down with 2.2 to play and in danger of going down 1-0 to the Pacers on his own home floor, fakes out PG13 to catch the ball and get from the 3pt line to the hoop in just 2 seconds.





2013 Finals: Down 3-2 to the Spurs and down 5 with 22 seconds left, LeBron hits the three that starts the rally, then hits the go-ahead shot with 1:43 left in overtime. Follows it with a 37-12-5 performance to win Game 7 despite only two teammates scoring in double figures, scoring 9 in the fourth including the clinching jumper with 28 seconds left in the game.







2015 ECSF: Down 2-1 already, calls his own number to rip out the Bulls' heart and even the series.





2016 Finals: Comes back from 3-1 down against a 73-win team with two of the most incredible back-to-back-to-back performances in Finals history (41-16-7 and 41-8-11) and then scores 9 of the Cavs' last 12 points in Game 7 to win the series.







2018 entire playoffs: With a terrible supporting cast and down 6 times (1-0, 2-1, and 3-2 to Pacers and 1-0, 2-0 and 3-2 to Celtics) has nine 40+ games, two game-winners, and two huge gritty Game 7 wins to reach the Finals where he puts up 51 on the heavily favored Warriors before George and J.R. cost them the game.
















But remember, LeBron can't get timely buckets.

Cats are married to the notion that LeBron can't score, can't shoot, has no clutch gene, blah blah blah...

It's amazing and commendable that there is a mountain of evidence proving dudes wrong going back 15 years yet dudes stick to their script. That's a special, special kind of dumb...

"But his game isn't pretty". Okay, and? Who really gives a fukk? I guess we should all want the pretty fukking game of Tracy fukking McGrady lol...

what counts is what you do in crunch time in the finals

Since we know who everyone's #1 answer would be, besides Mike, of players who have peaked within the last 30 years, who has a better resume of clutch play in the NBA Finals than LeBron?

 

[360Waves]

I'm not going to argue with you about every damn thing

LBJ is a top 10 player of all time

however, as I stated, shooting outside the paint is still his Achilles heel. The #s don't lie, he's efficient at the rim and nowhere else.

his iconic finals moment is watching helplessly, not involved in the play, not once but twice



nikka played like ass against the Spurs in 07, Dallas in 11, Spurs again in 14 (accumulated stats when games were out of hand), couldn't shoot outside the paint in 15, saved by Kyrie in 16, outplayed by KD in 17 & 18

Bron has playoff moments, sure he does...but when the rim is protected, he struggles. It's been like that his whole career, 90% of teams can't adequately protect the rim in the modern nba

he's all time great but when you need him to get you buckets when defender is draped all over him, he's gonna pass...he's not a killer

and don't get me started on the FTs

If you need him to hit 3 FTs to force OT in game 7, you can Fugget about it



Bottom line is Bron ain't getting you 3 buckets in a row in the finals in the clutch game in & game put...his game is predicated on making the right play, not being a killer

It’s a crying shame that stupid nikkas like you are allowed to have an opinion in this world. @Rhakim has literally put facts, evidence and videos in your face and you’re still acting like a retard. Trump-supporter levels of delusion.

 

[Controversy]

You really overrate the 00s guys. Not that they weren't great in their own right, but come on...

LeBron's prime didn't much overlap with AI or Mac, but you're on some good dope if you think those guys would render him less popular. Two guys who struggled to win in an even more inferior era of The East than the one LeBron dominated, yet you gas those dudes constantly...

LeBron and Kobe's primes overlapped for about 9 years, I don't know why guys on here act as if they never played with each other. In that time, both won two titles, two FMVPs, both missed the '05 playoffs...

LeBron played in the weaker conference but led his team to the better regular season record all but 2008, with a better traditional statline H2H (28.6/7.9/7.3/2.1/0.7, .469/.310/.709) vs Kobe's (26.1/4.9/5.1/1.2/0.2, .420/.297/.853), both on roughly 22 shots/game...

Conference finals record was LeBron 4-1/Kobe 3-0; LeBron got to more Finals, Kobe lost twice in the 1st Rd, LeBron 4 MVPs to Kobe's 1, and the telling stat is H2H LeBron was 13-5 vs Kobe in the 9 years their prime overlapped...

Shouldn't have to qualify this, but obviously they met at different stages of their primes, Kobe mid-to-late prime, LeBron early-to-mid prime, but they were both Top 10 players right around 2004-2013. So this isn't a tiny sample size, nikkas on here can have whatever justifications they want to prefer Kobe but all the evidence is on deck for people to view, if they apparently didn't actually watch the games they matched up against one another in real time...

We saw them in real time so we already know Kobe was more popular early but that didn't nullify LeBron matching his popularity about halfway thru...

You can call his game ugly but none of these "pretty nikkas" put forth stronger results so whatever point you're making is inconsequential...



A ton of it is built on generational bias, stop it. And while I enjoyed Kobe's game, and wouldnt characterize him as "inefficient" given the main era he played in, he was less efficient than LeBron...

Kobe is often characterized as the "best bad shot maker" ever. Which is kind of a backhanded compliment----->he took a lot of bad shots. Again, you've never heard me call him "inefficient" because we have to weigh players in the time they played, but he missed alota shots, bro. If you're objective, where does that come into play re: beauty of game?

I also never saw him as a greater defender than LeBron, maybe on ball, but LeBron was a more impactful defender period and his ability to control a game based on his defensive versatility and acuity was a level of skill Kobe didn't have. That doesnt factor into "beauty of game"? All the handles and shyt, again I think you place higher precedence on that and other fundamentals like footwork, which, while if a guy who is strong on fundamentals is notable, that shyt has literally zero bearing on the results you put on the table...

If it did the most technically sound players would dominate the NBA period, and that has never been the case in the 21 years I've watched basketball...

Guys who played against both are certainly entitled to their opinion and I don't begrudge them for it, but we're not about to pretend there isn't generational bias, it's very obvious...

now LBJ was a better defender than Kob

 

[IllmaticDelta]

This is the hill you wanna die on lmfao...



Cats are married to the notion that LeBron can't score, can't shoot, has no clutch gene, blah blah blah...

It's amazing and commendable that there is a mountain of evidence proving dudes wrong going back 15 years yet dudes stick to their script. That's a special, special kind of dumb...

pretty much.

 

[Gotright]

I just gotta hit this again because it is SO bad.

2006 1st round: Averages 36-8-6 and only NBA player ever to hit multiple game-winners in his first-ever playoff series.





2007 ECF: Scores 45-5-6 including 29 of the final 30 points in the pivotal Game 5 on Detroit's home court, driving and dunking to send the game into overtime and then hitting a layup while quadruple-covered for the game-winner in double overtime.





2008 ECSF: Extremely outmatched against a fantastic Celtics team, scores 35, 32, and 45 in the final three games, only going down late in Game 7 in an epic duel with Paul Pierce. He also hit 7 game-winning or game-tying shots that season.





2009 ECF: Averaged 39-8-8 against the Magic, hitting a game-winner in Game 2 and nearly hitting back-to-back threes in overtime to win Game 4.





2011 ECSF: Down to the Celtics late in Game 4, LBJ scores 10 of the last 12 including the last 7 to send the game into overtime, then hits the go-ahead basket in overtime. With the score tied and 2 minutes left in Game 5, LBJ scores the final 10 points of the game to put the Celtics away.






2011 ECF: Hits huge shots all series long including the go-ahead basket in Game 2, Game 4, AND Game 5. Down 8 with just 2 minutes left in Game 5, he scores 8 points in 90 seconds (all on long jumpers) to drive a game-winning and series-ending 12-2 run.







2012 ECSF: Down 2-1 to the Pacers and with Bosh out and Wade dealing with a bum knee, LeBron goes off for 40-18-9 in Game 4 to even the series and resurrect Miami's season.





2012 ECF: Down 3-2 to the Celtics and with Bosh at 50%, LeBron goes off for 45-15-5 in Boston to pull their hearts out and then takes them out in Game 7.





2013 ECF: Down with 2.2 to play and in danger of going down 1-0 to the Pacers on his own home floor, fakes out PG13 to catch the ball and get from the 3pt line to the hoop in just 2 seconds.





2013 Finals: Down 3-2 to the Spurs and down 5 with 22 seconds left, LeBron hits the three that starts the rally, then hits the go-ahead shot with 1:43 left in overtime. Follows it with a 37-12-5 performance to win Game 7 despite only two teammates scoring in double figures, scoring 9 in the fourth including the clinching jumper with 28 seconds left in the game.







2015 ECSF: Down 2-1 already, calls his own number to rip out the Bulls' heart and even the series.





2016 Finals: Comes back from 3-1 down against a 73-win team with two of the most incredible back-to-back-to-back performances in Finals history (41-16-7 and 41-8-11) and then scores 9 of the Cavs' last 12 points in Game 7 to win the series.







2018 entire playoffs: With a terrible supporting cast and down 6 times (1-0, 2-1, and 3-2 to Pacers and 1-0, 2-0 and 3-2 to Celtics) has nine 40+ games, two game-winners, and two huge gritty Game 7 wins to reach the Finals where he puts up 51 on the heavily favored Warriors before George and J.R. cost them the game.
















But remember, LeBron can't get timely buckets.

wish I could rep u

 

[Professor Emeritus]

he's all time great but when you need him to get you buckets when defender is draped all over him, he's gonna pass...he's not a killer

You've had literally every idiot point in your rant disproved already in this thread, but I'm just gonna hit this one last time.

Has the highest Game 7 scoring average in NBA history. That alone would DEAD your point.

Has the highest elimination game scoring average in NBA history. DEADS your point.

Most playoff game-winners in NBA history. DEADS your point.

Most playoff buzzer-beaters in NBA history. DEADS your point.

Had multiple iconic playoff games against the Pistons, Celtics, Bulls, Spurs, Pacers, and Warriors, the most elite defensive teams that have battled in the playoffs the last 15 years. DEADS your point.

Put up 69 points against Kawhi's defense in Games 6/7 of the Finals after going down 3-2, including 18 points in the last 12 minutes of regulation and 2 of the 3 biggest baskets of the game in Game 6 and 8 of the final 12 points including the biggest basket of the game in Game 7. DEADS your point.

Put up 107 points against Iggy/Klay/Draymond's defense in Games 5/6/7 of the Finals after going down 3-1, including 9 of the last 12 points in Game 7, including hitting 3 straight clutch free throws late (that you just claimed he couldn't do) and the biggest free throw of the game. DEADS your point.

Put up a 51 spot against Iggy/Klay/Draymond/KD's defense in the last Finals he was in, all while the game was still in doubt, including 9 straight points in the final 3 minutes of regulation. DEADS your point.


Your hate for a successful Black man is so strong that you argue like a drunk retarded turkey with its frontal lobe removed. There's nothing to be done for you. You ain't got a clue.

 

[fifth column]

You've had literally every idiot point in your rant disproved already in this thread, but I'm just gonna hit this one last time.

Has the highest Game 7 scoring average in NBA history. That alone would DEAD your point.

Has the highest elimination game scoring average in NBA history. DEADS your point.

Most playoff game-winners in NBA history. DEADS your point.

Most playoff buzzer-beaters in NBA history. DEADS your point.

Had multiple iconic playoff games against the Pistons, Celtics, Bulls, Spurs, Pacers, and Warriors, the most elite defensive teams that have battled in the playoffs the last 15 years. DEADS your point.

Put up 69 points against Kawhi's defense in Games 6/7 of the Finals after going down 3-2, including 18 points in the last 12 minutes of regulation and 2 of the 3 biggest baskets of the game in Game 6 and 8 of the final 12 points including the biggest basket of the game in Game 7. DEADS your point.

Put up 107 points against Iggy/Klay/Draymond's defense in Games 5/6/7 of the Finals after going down 3-1, including 9 of the last 12 points in Game 7, including hitting 3 straight clutch free throws late (that you just claimed he couldn't do) and the biggest free throw of the game. DEADS your point.

Put up a 51 spot against Iggy/Klay/Draymond/KD's defense in the last Finals he was in, all while the game was still in doubt, including 9 straight points in the final 3 minutes of regulation. DEADS your point.


Your hate for a successful Black man is so strong that you argue like a drunk retarded turkey with its frontal lobe removed. There's nothing to be done for you. You ain't got a clue.

Bron has impressive stats no doubt. He does monopolize the ball on his teams.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Bron has impressive stats no doubt. He does monopolize the ball on his teams.

He monopolizes the ball when playing with shytty distributors. He didn't monopolize the ball on Miami or when he was playing alongside Kyrie, yet he still put up the same sick numbers in the biggest moments.

 

[Blurneed]

There is actual skill involved in mastering an aesthetic game. Theres this disingenuous take going around like a "pretty" game is just for the sake of looking pretty but its really a lot of nuances and strategies involved. The footwork, Jukes, fakes and head fakes, and certain angles on the jumper and fadeaways are all fundamentals. It gets a bad rap but depending on your size that's ALL u got.

Some people just cant bulldoze to the rim for easy buckets. I admire players who have aesthetically pleasing games, but I hold players who have that type of game AND win with the highest regard. Lebron game ain't the most aesthetically pleasing, with the exception of his passing, and it is very effective but I'll always feel Kobe and MJ is better all time. Excellent highlight level skill AND multiple time winners.

 

[HTXBreh]

pretty much.

 

[nieman]

I dont care that people think his game is ugly. what bothers me is the sense I get that some of the posters in this thread really think a person should change their game to be prettier. perhaps thats a sign of the times.

People are just pointing out how telegraphed it is, and how it should be defended better. If he looks down at his hand, he's shooting 99% of the time, so get right up on him and contest it harder. That's it. It's like that time Kobe broke down one of Lebron's moves, and said he goes whatever, he's shooting, and easy to stop. Lebron tried the exact same move in the All-Star game, and Kobe blocked it.

 

[Karume]

People are just pointing out how telegraphed it is, and how it should be defended better. If he looks down at his hand, he's shooting 99% of the time, so get right up on him and contest it harder. That's it. It's like that time Kobe broke down one of Lebron's moves, and said he goes whatever, he's shooting, and easy to stop. Lebron tried the exact same move in the All-Star game, and Kobe blocked it.

why dont more people shut it down?

 

[kdslittlebro]

Not a Bron stan but the brehs at least trying to make some sense in here