Lets keep it rap...Trap beats >>> boom bap, IMO these guys are more talented then samplers

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To the point, no matter what you prefer, I've always hated the argument that sampling isn't creative. Sometimes you hear lazy loops, but you have to have an EAr and it's not easy. You can pick any sampled beat, give someone the records and the tools the producer used to make the beat, explain to them how to recreate it, and most people won't be able to do it.

Someone even made a website where you can try to recreate 3 sampled beats and it's hard as fukk.

Re-create producers' beats from their samples, mapped to your computer keyboard

People don't understand that chopping and making collages out of old music is creative and original. All music is inspired by other music, and most stuff comes from other ideas. Making beats is an art form regardless of how you do it, and there are great and awful beatmakers that do samples and great and awful ones that don't.

The only people who say sampling isn't creative are people who don't listen to hip hop nor know anything about it.

As I said, people outside the culture. We don't care what they think. In fact, hip hop started falling off when we started caring.

Dude, I'm an early 80s baby. I grew up listening to that "hip hop isn't real music" bullshyt in high school. Until all of a sudden, pop fans/metal heads hopped on the dikk of hip hop. Lames will always talk shyt. Followers will be followers.
 

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(1) You are already biased...So whats the point...

(2) The original composers get 95% of the credit for a Lil Brother beat...

(3) 9/10 times a soul sample can stand on its one without further treatment...A good example are the recent beats Roc Marciano has been rapping on...
Like I thought. U full of shyt. It's trap beat vs trap beat. Anyone can judge. But u cop pleas cause u stay gettin called out for the bullshyt u consistently post on this forum.
 

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Aint heard a trap beat yet that i'd pick over this:




That's because trap is for corny ass people.

People with little-to-no personality, who can't dance, aren't passionate and creative --- those are the kind of people who consume trap.

That shyt is robot music. No amount of marketing will change that. Real recognize real.
 
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all this shyt is fukking irrelevant and isn't how you define creativity.
Creativity is about the potency of expression aka the soul aka the feeling and idea. PERIOD. If RZA takes an obscure loop and slaps it onto some drums, and it's the coolest shyt ever, he's a way better producer than you. Who spends hours like a retard fine-tuning basura.
It doesn't matter how long it takes for you to make a beat.
It doesn't matter how you make a beat.
It doesn't matter whether you sampled or didn't.
Just make a dope beat. Period.
All this side chain compression, heavenly hash bullshyt you're talking about is wack as fukk. and has zero staying power. Plain and simple.
Figure out a way to make some lasting, passionate stuff and then we'll consider y'all shyt.
No it isn't, dude. Do you even know shyt about hip hop?!
These classic albums have lasted because those beats, first and foremost, are still appealing.
You're copping pleas.
(1) The only people listening to these classic albums you are talking about are the people who were young and coming up in the world when those songs were popular...

Nostalgia...

(2) Trap and Drill music is the soundtrack for the young and upcoming people today...That is the music that speaks to their soul...Just because you can't relate it doesn't mean shyt for the majority of youngins today...

(3) A sample carries the soul of the original performers and recording equipment...The dude sampling that piece of music has VERY little to do with that...

(4) I believe it is MUCH easier to take a sample from Isaac Hayes and turn into a dope beat than to compose an original from scratch...

(5) "Creativity is about the potency of expression..." if this definition is true then how can you undermine the creativity of trap/drill beats...?

The beats are designed to motivate people and make them "turn up"...Go on youtube and watch the videos of people turning up to "Faneto" by Chief Keef...

It fits the your definition of "creativity" because the people are responding to the music the way the producers want them to...They are TURNING UP...
 

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What's the point? You are going to disagree ANYWAYS...:krs:
I don't make beats, so I'm coming at this strictly from a laymen's perspective.
When I saw that video recreating the Shook Ones Pt. 2 sample, I lost my shyt.
I don't know much about how trap beats are made. From reading this thread, it sounds like its done strictly on computers? You take a bunch of stock sounds and modify them similar to what House DJs do?
That's cool :ehh:
There's definitely creativity in that. It's just modifying samples at the end of the day. Similar to what Hav did with Shook Ones.
So post up something similar to what Hav did in a trap setting. Hav made a piano sound like a guitar :wow:
Post up something that any laymen can click the video and be like :ohhh:
 

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(1) The only people listening to these classic albums you are talking about are the people who were young and coming up in the world when those songs were popular...

Nostalgia...

That is absolute bullshyt and you know it.

Yes, nostalgia has a major factor when it comes to what people listen to. And yes, the majority of people will listen to whatever their generation listened to.

BUT the reason why some albums endure is that they're actually timeless for MUSIC FANS. As in, people who really care about a genre and its music. And certain songs/albums hold up way better than others.

(2) Trap and Drill music is the soundtrack for the young and upcoming people today...That is the music that speaks to their soul...Just because you can't relate it doesn't mean shyt for the majority of youngins today...

yes and no.

It's a lot more scattered now. Young people listen to all types of shyt. When I was growing up as a teen in the 90s, I only listened to hip hop. and Prodigy (for those who know what that is).

Nowadays, kids flow in and out of genres. So you can't really say drill is their soundtrack. Most of them aint really listening to drill that deeply. and that's why the music stays surface level.

I would love to see young folk put more soul into their music. Why do you think Lil B has been winning?

(3) A sample carries the soul of the original performers and recording equipment...The dude sampling that piece of music has VERY little to do with that...

You have no idea what you're talking about. :wow:

I think you're in need of some education. Check this out. You should watch the whole thing from scratch but listen to how Guru breaks down the different classic producers, and why each of them is special. Each of those guys (Pete Rock, Dilla, Premo) etc have completely unique producing philosophies and different personalities, which shows up in their work.



(4) I believe it is MUCH easier to take a sample from Isaac Hayes and turn into a dope beat than to compose an original from scratch...

Easier in what way? You gotta be clear here.


(5) "Creativity is about the potency of expression..." if this definition is true then how can you undermine the creativity of trap/drill beats...?

Because they're not potent. That's why they're here today, gone tomorrow.

The beats are designed to motivate people and make them "turn up"...Go on youtube and watch the videos of people turning up to "Faneto" by Chief Keef...

It fits the your definition of "creativity" because the people are responding to the music the way the producers want them to...They are TURNING UP...

Turn up = mindless robot shyt for people who can't/don't want to dance.

Do you really think I wanna be part of this goofy ass non-party?



And they're only turning up to this track because it pretty much just came out. They won't be turning up to this a year from now.

Sorry breh, I want a beat that motivates me to feel passionate about life while inspiring me to dance/move. I love to dance. When hip hop starts making music for dancers again, you'll see life come back into this culture.



Even your hardest and most celebrated rappers at one point knew how to dance and groove. I wish I could find the video online of Raekwon and Ghostface dancing to "Eric B is President."

That's the problem now. Hip hop has been swarmed by lames who aren't passionate about much. So we're in a constant state of dull and faded.
 
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(1) The only people listening to these classic albums you are talking about are the people who were young and coming up in the world when those songs were popular...

Nostalgia...

(2) Trap and Drill music is the soundtrack for the young and upcoming people today...That is the music that speaks to their soul...Just because you can't relate it doesn't mean shyt for the majority of youngins today...

(3) A sample carries the soul of the original performers and recording equipment...The dude sampling that piece of music has VERY little to do with that...

(4) I believe it is MUCH easier to take a sample from Isaac Hayes and turn into a dope beat than to compose an original from scratch...

(5) "Creativity is about the potency of expression..." if this definition is true then how can you undermine the creativity of trap/drill beats...?

The beats are designed to motivate people and make them "turn up"...Go on youtube and watch the videos of people turning up to "Faneto" by Chief Keef...

It fits the your definition of "creativity" because the people are responding to the music the way the producers want them to...They are TURNING UP...

Side note I went & listened to this "song". :scust: :trash: Top 20 one of the worst songs I've ever heard in my life. From the wack beat to the "lyrics".
 

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:scust:From a producer stand point, I usually sample hunt more than compose originals. I'd say originals is much harder & you'll feel like you done more, but getting that right snare, kick, hat, and baseline to match with a ALREADY composed song, is so :wow:
 
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(1) You are already biased...So whats the point...

(2) The original composers get 95% of the credit for a Lil Brother beat...

(3) 9/10 times a soul sample can stand on its one without further treatment...A good example are the recent beats Roc Marciano has been rapping on...

Post one of your beats and I'll post one of mine.
You're very young and stupid, breh.
Trap beats have samples and loops in them, too!
 

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HOLD UP!!!!! is this a serious thread??? do niqqas really not see how repetitive and formulaic these trap beats sound. my niqqa, 90% of the beats SOUND THE SAME!!!!! fukk it, i quit. how can you fight a battle about HIP HOP against a self proclaimed non-"hip hop head" on a hip hop board?? :snoop:
There should be a thread identifying all posters who state that they are non hip hop heads. That's like Christians invading a Muslim board.
 
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