Let's review: the State of Texas

[Silkk]

Y'all are forgetting that Baylor had a lot of attrition on the roster & in recruiting the last year & half of because of this scandal. Baylor wouldn't win 10 games even if Briles was coaching this roster.

BS

Briles could've plugged me in at QB and won 8 games

 

[Spade]

HS coaches job is to win.... Not prep their kids for college coaches

HS coaches job in Texas is different. It is true that their job is to win. But in Texas, they make it their job to prep the kids for college. Otherwise, they wouldn't be in their feelings all the time if a coach doesn't look at their kids. How many times did we hear about high school coaches crying about Charlie Strong. Their fickle like that and it's like a fraternity. Somebody said this on shaggytexas.

Texas universities right now do not have the coaches that have the skins on the wall that can demand that respect from players like programs that are coming in from out of state

and when you mix that with HS coaches that are not honest in their full player evaluations, HS kids that come to Texas university programs surrounded by familiarly and a sense of entitlement to be on the team well it is a hard thing to break mentally

you know their HS coach is still blowing smoke up their asses and "having their back" and playing the "will not let you recruit here" game and they are surrounded by players that "know who they are" and they have coaches telling them they might sit on the bench that they are not respecting the opinion of

it is a difficult system to break because of the closeness knit Texas HS coaching ranks, the number of options for Texas recruits and because of the inability of Texas universities to really hire coaches that have skins on the wall right now that DEMAND respect from both players and HS coaches

this is why I was glad when Herman said he was going to recruit outside of Texas......because only when Texas shows that they are not fully beholden to the Texas HS System and their inbred coaches and their threats of withholding access AND that Texas can win big outside of that system will Texas fully be able to get the true evaluation of HS coaches and will Texas be able to fully evaluate and choose players without the threat of recruiting doors being closed if a HS coach gets pissed off because Texas did not take their project head case

the issue is of course what comes first recruiting very well outside of Texas, winning without a full team of Texas recruits and breaking that chain of entitlement and inbred or winning and then breaking the chain.....and of course at some point you have to actually fukkin win to do anything

Me and @dtownreppin214 been talking about this for years.

 

[BlackAchilles]

If you look closely

Just gotta fill 's face in

 

[Goat poster]

Time to call up the man

That dude can't even get a CFL job.

He's DONE at every level.

 

[Goat poster]

The best players smart enough to go north to Oklahoma schools or east to LSU..then u have some top elites go to Alabama or out west.

Those programs now have focus on softness with speed

The Buckeyes QB and our true freshmen RB Dobbins (who is a BEAST)

Are both from Texas as well.

Buckeyes poach from Texas all the time.

And I read Texas boards and they Cry about it ( *especially Dobbins)
And we got coming down the pipeline

 

[Spade]

The Buckeyes QB and our true freshmen RB Dobbins (who is a BEAST)

Are both from Texas as well.

Buckeyes poach from Texas all the time.

And I read Texas boards and they Cry about it ( *especially Dobbins)
And we got coming down the pipeline

As of right now, you are in the lead for Cook. That's all the top talent OSU will get from Texas in 2018. These things run in cycles though. Tom Herman needs to start winning to keep the top talent in state.

 

[satam55]

HS coaches job in Texas is different. It is true that their job is to win. But in Texas, they make it their job to prep the kids for college. Otherwise, they wouldn't be in their feelings all the time if a coach doesn't look at their kids. How many times did we hear about high school coaches crying about Charlie Strong. Their fickle like that and it's like a fraternity. Somebody said this on shaggytexas.



Me and @dtownreppin214 been talking about this for years.

LOL at now their fine with the Head Coach going after OOS players when they were shytting on Coach Strong his 1st full recruiting class for going after OOS players.

 

[Spade]

LOL at now their fine with the Head Coach going after OOS players when they were shytting on Coach Strong his 1st full recruiting class for going after OOS players.

Actually most Texas fans loved the fact that they were going out of state because they rarely did it before he got there. Texas fans always wondered why they couldn't get OOS talent.

 

[satam55]

 

[Charlie Broadway]

Apologies in advance for the long post.

Elite oos programs are getting production from their Texas recruits. Programs like Oklahoma st seem to always have "2nd and 3rd" tier Texas recruits in their front 7 and win with them.

There's so much talent in the state of Texas that I truly believe you can never fully appreciate the talent pool if you only follow recruiting from a "blue blood" perspective. I know because I used my friend's orangebloods account from 2004 up until a few years ago. Prior to that I followed recruiting on other Texas boards like billy bob before the switch to premium content. I could write a short book on how recruiting sites play fan bases with rankings but as far as this discussion is concerned I don't think most fans of elite recruiting schools realize how close most of their classes are in ability (obviously not including 5 stars or borderline) to low tier p5 programs and G5 prorgrams.

Now that recruiting coverage of UH is actually competent I've gotten to follow recruiting from 2 perspectives for some years and recruiting rankings really don't mean shyt to me now. I care about traits, scheme fit and who is going to be coaching the recruit once he gets to campus. You can see people are caught up in recruiting rankings when discussing the Texas loss to Maryland. Texas is not that good at their playmaker positions other than wr where they look deep and talented. The qb and rbs are jags. Their linebackers were terrible. Safeties looked soft and timid.

Recruit better players. It's not hs coaches fault that Texas does not have talent at every position. Go back and skim through last year's OU/UH game on YouTube and tell me with a straight face that the UT defense that took the field this weekend was as talented as the one OU faced. Herman beat top 5 teams because he had talent. Everyone makes a big deal about ed Oliver but on 3rd down wtf is UT's tyus bowser? Whos their Steven Taylor knifing through the line for a crucial tfl? Who's that enforcer filling the hole in the run game like elandon Roberts or Matthew Adams? I watched some dude named Hollywood and his partner give up one backbreaking pass after another. Meanwhile UH had 3 corners drafted the past 2 yrs. Any of the safeties gonna knockout OU's rb in the cotton bowl like Garrett Davis did Perine? Other than Oliver Texas didn't want any of the guys I named.

Tom Herman coached like shyt on Saturday but he'll be fine once he gets his guys. No excuse for losing though. I've seen him coach around his personnel weaknesses for the past two years. I have no idea why he failed miserably at that this past weekend.

 

[Goat poster]

Apologies in advance for the long post.

Elite oos programs are getting production from their Texas recruits. Programs like Oklahoma st seem to always have "2nd and 3rd" tier Texas recruits in their front 7 and win with them.

There's so much talent in the state of Texas that I truly believe you can never fully appreciate the talent pool if you only follow recruiting from a "blue blood" perspective. I know because I used my friend's orangebloods account from 2004 up until a few years ago. Prior to that I followed recruiting on other Texas boards like billy bob before the switch to premium content. I could write a short book on how recruiting sites play fan bases with rankings but as far as this discussion is concerned I don't think most fans of elite recruiting schools realize how close most of their classes are in ability (obviously not including 5 stars or borderline) to low tier p5 programs and G5 prorgrams.

Now that recruiting coverage of UH is actually competent I've gotten to follow recruiting from 2 perspectives for some years and recruiting rankings really don't mean shyt to me now. I care about traits, scheme fit and who is going to be coaching the recruit once he gets to campus. You can see people are caught up in recruiting rankings when discussing the Texas loss to Maryland. Texas is not that good at their playmaker positions other than wr where they look deep and talented. The qb and rbs are jags. Their linebackers were terrible. Safeties looked soft and timid.

Recruit better players. It's not hs coaches fault that Texas does not have talent at every position. Go back and skim through last year's OU/UH game on YouTube and tell me with a straight face that the UT defense that took the field this weekend was as talented as the one OU faced. Herman beat top 5 teams because he had talent. Everyone makes a big deal about ed Oliver but on 3rd down wtf is UT's tyus bowser? Whos their Steven Taylor knifing through the line for a crucial tfl? Who's that enforcer filling the hole in the run game like elandon Roberts or Matthew Adams? I watched some dude named Hollywood and his partner give up one backbreaking pass after another. Meanwhile UH had 3 corners drafted the past 2 yrs. Any of the safeties gonna knockout OU's rb in the cotton bowl like Garrett Davis did Perine? Other than Oliver Texas didn't want any of the guys I named.

Tom Herman coached like shyt on Saturday but he'll be fine once he gets his guys. No excuse for losing though. I've seen him coach around his personnel weaknesses for the past two years. I have no idea why he failed miserably at that this past weekend.

100% agree.

Class ranking is important, but there are so many other things that make teams great.

Herman had some BEAST at UH regardless how many * they had next to thier name when they were recruited.

 

[rantanamo]

Herman had a 5* beast at DT that would have ended up somewhere like Bama had his brother not gone to UH. Elite DL make a huge difference. Texas has none. Don't even think we're solid at the position. These dudes are in Texas, but lately end up elsewhere. Even when we had them committed or signed recently, they leave. Same on the OL. Guys like Greg Little have been signing out of state lately. In Mack Brown's heyday, he would sweep the top 10 or most of it in the state every year. So in the trenches we were hard to deal with as we had a roster full of NFLers. It takes that kind of talent to compete unless the coach is a pure genius like Briles

 

[Spade]

Apologies in advance for the long post.

Elite oos programs are getting production from their Texas recruits. Programs like Oklahoma st seem to always have "2nd and 3rd" tier Texas recruits in their front 7 and win with them.

There's so much talent in the state of Texas that I truly believe you can never fully appreciate the talent pool if you only follow recruiting from a "blue blood" perspective. I know because I used my friend's orangebloods account from 2004 up until a few years ago. Prior to that I followed recruiting on other Texas boards like billy bob before the switch to premium content. I could write a short book on how recruiting sites play fan bases with rankings but as far as this discussion is concerned I don't think most fans of elite recruiting schools realize how close most of their classes are in ability (obviously not including 5 stars or borderline) to low tier p5 programs and G5 prorgrams.

Now that recruiting coverage of UH is actually competent I've gotten to follow recruiting from 2 perspectives for some years and recruiting rankings really don't mean shyt to me now. I care about traits, scheme fit and who is going to be coaching the recruit once he gets to campus. You can see people are caught up in recruiting rankings when discussing the Texas loss to Maryland. Texas is not that good at their playmaker positions other than wr where they look deep and talented. The qb and rbs are jags. Their linebackers were terrible. Safeties looked soft and timid.

Recruit better players. It's not hs coaches fault that Texas does not have talent at every position. Go back and skim through last year's OU/UH game on YouTube and tell me with a straight face that the UT defense that took the field this weekend was as talented as the one OU faced. Herman beat top 5 teams because he had talent. Everyone makes a big deal about ed Oliver but on 3rd down wtf is UT's tyus bowser? Whos their Steven Taylor knifing through the line for a crucial tfl? Who's that enforcer filling the hole in the run game like elandon Roberts or Matthew Adams? I watched some dude named Hollywood and his partner give up one backbreaking pass after another. Meanwhile UH had 3 corners drafted the past 2 yrs. Any of the safeties gonna knockout OU's rb in the cotton bowl like Garrett Davis did Perine? Other than Oliver Texas didn't want any of the guys I named.

Tom Herman coached like shyt on Saturday but he'll be fine once he gets his guys. No excuse for losing though. I've seen him coach around his personnel weaknesses for the past two years. I have no idea why he failed miserably at that this past weekend.

I can't disagree with any of this.

Yeah, both the backs we saw on Saturday are jags.
The safeties are lost
The corners continue to get beat
The linebackers continue to not know their gaps. They have no instincts at all
You are right that Texas does not have the players you named. Yet rivals ranked this class 12th and 247 ranked it 10th. That class I'm talking about is 2015. There has to be a reason for this. Are they in incorrect systems? I don't know. But it is turning out to be a very disappointing class. Most of those on the positions I named come from that 2015 class. This game this weekend, I really would like to see Carter and Johnson at RB more.

 

[UserNameless]

Rice and UTEP lost too :smugbaugh:

Well damn...

 

[MikelArteta]

difference is for tom herman he could coach crappy and take risks because his team was the best in the aac talent wise, and when you have uconn, east carolina, smu,, temple, tulane you can still get by.

Big 12 every week your going against a team that can drop 40-50 on you kansas state, oklahoma, oklahoma state, tcu, texas tech, west virginia