Let's talk about the deteriorating skill of Jay-Z

[Ronald]

Alright guy....keep thinking Drake is a bigger name than Jay z


If im a promoter throwing a concert, who would i rather have. Jay z, or drake

Drake cos his tour made more money than Hov's

his album sold more than both WTT and BP3 too

 

[Jerz-2]

I mean I enjoy flossy rap once in a while but your greatness can't be the only thing you can tell us dude. He definitely is capable of dropping some grown shyt but this verse just sounded lame.

''nikkas aint fukking with my daughter room''

He is hit or miss nowadays.

A lot of us Hov fans have grown up since the BP1 era. We want to grow with the artist.

Yeah, and I don't think contrasting Jay's seeming stagnancy in that regard against the refreshing growth that Nas shows on this project is such a bad thing, or necessarily reflective of being a stan. It's a legitimate point, I think.

Also, I think the level of artistic growth Nas shows on this current project compels some, as fans, to want these other artists from his era to take a similar approach.

And I don't actually think Jay's skills are deteriorating. I just question whether or not he really cares about lyricism anymore (and, at the stature he's attained, he may not). Because when he does try to exhibit lyrical dexterity (e.g., "Thank You"), the results are still pretty good.

 

[Bolzmark]

Thing about Jay is, it seem EVERY verse he does is measured up to his greatest works. He does some little freestyle on this 3 Kings joint and people want to compare it to D'Evils?

I will agree that Im sure subject matter is his toughest challenge, as it is for all rappers. Since Nas has ben brought up (surprise, surprise), understand the most popular topics on Life Is Good are his breakup with Kelis, and reminiscing about back in the days.

If you had to choose which half of Jays career holds his best lyrics, no doubt its the first half, as it is with Nas and pretty much all rappers.

But if you sit there and tell me that gems such as No Church, Murder To Excellence, New Day, and Shiny Suit are not top notch lyrical displays you are just in denial.

 

[OG Talk]

Thing about Jay is, it seem EVERY verse he does is measured up to his greatest works. He does some little freestyle on this 3 Kings joint and people want to compare it to D'Evils?

I will agree that Im sure subject matter is his toughest challenge, as it is for all rappers. Since Nas has ben brought up (surprise, surprise), understand the most popular topics on Life Is Good are his breakup with Kelis, and reminiscing about back in the days.

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This happens to all of the greats or anyone wanting to be a part of the conversation...The only variable is how a particular fanbase choses to react to the criticism...


Nas and Andre are held to higher standards than French and Soulja Boy...This isn't anything specific against him... Nas has been fighting the ghost of Illmatic for almost 20 years...If you don't want Jay judged like a potential GOAT, then remove him from the conversation...

 

[The Message]

I agree, this isnt the same Jay from 96. Consider me in the small minority, but I honestly didnt that he was all that lyrical on the first Blueprint album. pause. lol

I think the skill is still there. A nikka just doesnt get wack all of a sudden after he's been rhyming for 30 years. lol His focus isnt 100% on rhyming anymore. He's having meals with Warren Buffet, has a stake in the Nets, married life, a newborn babygirl, still the frontman for Rocawear. He's a mogul now, not a hungry mc. Plus it's kinda hard for a nikka to hungry again after he's done it all.

I think if fam holed himself up in the studio, sit down with a pen and NOTEBOOK lol and actually wrote out the lyrics - we would hear superior lyrics again.

 

[Trajan]

Yeah, and I don't think contrasting Jay's seeming stagnancy in that regard against the refreshing growth that Nas shows on this project is such a bad thing, or necessarily reflective of being a stan. It's a legitimate point, I think.

Also, I think the level of artistic growth Nas shows on this current project compels some, as fans, to want these other artists from his era to take a similar approach.

And I don't actually think Jay's skills are deteriorating. I just question whether or not he really cares about lyricism anymore (and, at the stature he's attained, he may not). Because when he does try to exhibit lyrical dexterity (e.g., "Thank You"), the results are still pretty good.

Yh that's what I'm getting at. If you bring Nas up tho you'll be accused of hating. I like both artists.

At one point Jay-z was my fav rapper but I've grown up since. He is still one of the best to ever do don't get me wrong..but dude just has nothing to say nowadays.

He has experienced shyt only a small number will experience in their lifetime and he can't convey it properly.

If anything, you'd think that the fact that he is so comfortable would encourage him to push the envelope...to try out new concepts etc.

 

[Harry B]

Why do Nas stans create more threads about Jay-z and post more about Jay-z than his own fans?


nikkas are so insecure about favoring Nas over Jay that they have to talk about Jay and listen to Jay all day just to write books about Jay to put him in contrast to Nas.



Jay makes different types of music, he's already impressed the "lyrical folks", he's also impressed the hipsters, the real street nikkas, the grammys, the Australians, he's got albums that was created to perform in front of 20k in countries all over the world. It's obvious that Jay doesn't give 2 fukks about the "real hiphop" geeks and has not been doing so since his first album. What's he doing next? I don't want to hear him sound like RD, I've already heard that. I don't want to hear the flow from BP I've already heard that.

 

[OG Talk]

I agree, this isnt the same Jay from 96. Consider me in the small minority, but I honestly didnt that he was all that lyrical on the first Blueprint album. pause. lol

I think the skill is still there. A nikka just doesnt get wack all of a sudden after he's been rhyming for 30 years. lol His focus isnt 100% on rhyming anymore. He's having meals with Warren Buffet, has a stake in the Nets, married life, a newborn babygirl, still the frontman for Rocawear. He's a mogul now, not a hungry mc. Plus it's kinda hard for a nikka to hungry again after he's done it all.

I think if fam holed himself up in the studio, sit down with a pen and NOTEBOOK lol and actually wrote out the lyrics - we would hear superior lyrics again.

I agree... AG showed flashes of his past brilliance..He's just been extremely inconsistant since then for whatever reason...Maybe it's lack of focus.. Maybe it's because he knows he has a core fanbase that doesn't demand it from him...Who knows..

 

[Zach Lowe]

Why do Nas stans create more threads about Jay-z and post more about Jay-z than his own fans?


nikkas are so insecure about favoring Nas over Jay that they have to talk about Jay and listen to Jay all day just to write books about Jay to put him in contrast to Nas.



Jay makes different types of music, he's already impressed the "lyrical folks", he's also impressed the hipsters, the real street nikkas, the grammys, the Australians, he's got albums that was created to perform in front of 20k in countries all over the world. It's obvious that Jay doesn't give 2 fukks about the "real hiphop" geeks and has not been doing so since his first album.

negged

 

[Alexander Wiggin]

lol, just because jay says it's a freestyle doesn't mean it is one. That's like when a athlete make a weak performance and say "Oh it was just for warmin up or just for train". When you're jay z you're not supposed to make excuse or not give your best on a overlooked album like Ross' is.

The fact alone that is pointing out that's it's a "freestyle" (and that shyt means nothing anyway) is a sign of weakness

At one point even his features in r'n'b tracks were better than this, and it's not like he had to prove anything on this type of tracks

 

[OG Talk]

Why do Nas stans create more threads about Jay-z and post more about Jay-z than his own fans?


nikkas are so insecure about favoring Nas over Jay that they have to talk about Jay and listen to Jay all day just to write books about Jay to put him in contrast to Nas.

Jay makes different types of music, he's already impressed the "lyrical folks", he's also impressed the hipsters, the real street nikkas, the grammys, the Australians, he's got albums that was created to perform in front of 20k in countries all over the world. It's obvious that Jay doesn't give 2 fukks about the "real hiphop" geeks and has not been doing so since his first album.

Bold is all ad hominem and has been struck from the record...


The last paragraph is pretty accurate and understandable...


You are improving as a poster.. If you can just ignore the part of your mind that forces you to debate like a female then you will be well on your way to respectability...

 

[Harry B]

Jay is the most influential and these nikkas role models cause he does something new with every album. Some nikkas are too dumb to understand this, but it's cool it wasn't meant to be easy.

Real recognize real, most rappers understand, most of hiphop media understand, most commercial media, most legends, most execs and on. People anticipate to see what Jay is gonna do next like he's been on a Hiatus even if there's only 1 year between his albums on average. The reason for this is that he's not trying to emulate RD and BP or AG or TBA or any album. And cats know this.


Gator King , don't even address me.
I'm only addressing young Nas stans, discussing with you dudes is like trying to discuss the constitution with with Bin Ladin

 

[mikishere]

nas stan thread about jayz #37

 

[lachreyatarbabypits]

As soon as I saw dudes avi was Life is Good I didnt even waste my time reading his drivel. Everyday with this shyt. I dont like how even our own peers try to use media tactics against us. You guys use the same media rhetoric just to get us to agree with you. Its not going to work or happen. Another thing I dont get is why do you always stick up for Nas like he cares about you or your opinion? He does not give ONE shyt. nikkas always coming with this lame Us versus them mentality. Stop it already and just enjoy the music. Its hip hop. Its not important nor impactful as it was before. Spend your time overanalyzing topics with actual substance instead of constantly arguing about who is better Jay Z or Nas because youre going to die and people will STILL disagree with you.

 

[Pool_Shark]

The Jay from today is different than the one from the beginning (duh captain obvious). He's not bad but now he's more about delivery and cadence than actual lyrics. I could see how people could dislike that type of style. I wouldn't say he's falling off just a different MC in 2012. Maybe it's the not writing that's finally hurting him.

Three Kings verse was though. He phoned it in and got bodied by Dre and Rozay. Top 5 worst Jay verse.