Living paycheck to paycheck is disturbingly common: ‘I see no way out.’

[Reece]

Your analogies are garbage and do a horrible job of making your point. If two people stole from you then why are you only going after the one that stole the smaller amount. The fact that you equate immigrants working the job as stealing something from you, instead of the people actually giving out the jobs is telling of your mindset.

The issue isn't people coming in and "borrowing" money from you. It's the store raising the prices of products while you still walk in with the same amount you've gone in with for decades. So now the hundred dollars gets you less and less each week. Again how much you get is determined by employers, who do everything they can to pay you as little as possible. The fact that you have no union and no bargaining power means if you don't like what they pay they can get rid of you because someone more desperate will take that job for what they're offering. Sometimes that's illegal immigrants, sometimes it's ex-convicts who can't get work anywhere else and sometimes it's just people who have been out of work for so long they'll take anything. Employers take advantage of the desperate because the law doesn't stop them and employees are all acting as individuals. They can hire all the illegal immigrants they want and nothing will happen to their business and they can fire one guy asking for a raise without missing a beat.

Bottom line, you're punching down because it's easier than punching up at the people that are actually responsible.

This is a garbage post. Who you go after doesn’t matter. Whether you crack down on deporting illegals or go after companies hiring them, the end result is the same And no, just to cut you off before you write another garbage post, illegals aren’t the big bad boogie man keeping wages down but they’re a part of it

And I’d go after every single person who stole from me. Maybe you let nikkas steal from you just because they took $50. That shows your mindset.

 

[Pressure]

you're doing a lot of dancing around this question sad that you can't give a straight answer

does illegal immigration hurt or help the middle class? hurt or help black people?

why can't you address what's being discussed instead of deflecting?

Red herring fallacy

Red herring is a kind of fallacy that is an irrelevant topic introduced in an argument to divert the attention of listeners or readers from the original issue. In literature, this fallacy is often used in detective or suspense novels to mislead readers or characters, or to induce them to make false conclusions.

Still using your playbook

 

[chico25]

You said one word answer but if you want an explanation. The fact is employers aren't going to raise wages as long as they can operate with wages where they are. Unless you're saying that there are businesses out there that couldn't function without illegal immigrants.

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

Their reality is warped. Until a white mother can accept her son is a loser, we will never really make progress.

this is hilarious but absolutely true

 

[the cac mamba]

Red herring fallacy

Red herring is a kind of fallacy that is an irrelevant topic introduced in an argument to divert the attention of listeners or readers from the original issue. In literature, this fallacy is often used in detective or suspense novels to mislead readers or characters, or to induce them to make false conclusions.

Still using your playbook

playbook

your deity napoleon has posted tons of threads with evidence that illegal immigration is not helpful to the middle class, or black people. is he wrong?

You said one word answer but if you want an explanation. The fact is employers aren't going to raise wages as long as they can operate with wages where they are. Unless you're saying that there are businesses out there that couldn't function without illegal immigrants.

you cant pay a citizen as badly as you can pay an illegal, shythead this might be the worst argument ive ever had in HL

you know what, you guys win. people coming here illegally who need places to live, jobs, and care at the ER despite being uninsured, is great for the middle class

 

[Pressure]

playbook

your deity napoleon has posted tons of threads with evidence that illegal immigration is not helpful to the middle class, or black people. is he wrong?

I just posted an article on single largest mover of wage stagnation.

Agree or disagree??

 

[Pressure]

you cant pay a citizen as badly as you can pay an illegal, shythead this might be the worst argument ive ever had in HL

Unauthorized workers in the US now earn almost as much as those who work legally

you know what, you guys win. people coming here illegally who need places to live, jobs, and care at the ER despite being uninsured, is great for the middle class

So you're saying illegal immigrants contribute to the economy just like their poor/uninsured peers.

 

[the cac mamba]

I just posted an article on single largest mover of wage stagnation.

Agree or disagree??

"even though the answer is agree, i'm gonna act like i don't know, and deflect, because that's what the DNC would want me to do"

i should try posting like you more often maybe i wouldnt be the second worst poster in here

 

[Reece]

Imagine you thinking this makes sense or reflects reality.

Companies are making record profits and hoarding record amounts of cash. They are actively choosing to pay people less or hire illegal immigrants to maintain or increase profit for shareholders.

And they do so because most lack the labor protections necessary to prevent them from doing so.

In reality, you're fighting over 100 dollars because they told you that's all they have whole they put the other 900 in their pocket and walk off.

It’s not mutually exclusive. You can be against both. Such a copout argument. Focusing on the blue collar side of things, tell all that shyt to black men who want to get into construction, factory work, gardening and lawn care, electrician work, plumbing or other kinds of blue collar work but can’t because illegals dominate the industry or are willing to work for less pay. They’re doing pretty well out here. They don’t need you defending them bruh. They beating our ass. How else have they been able to blow past black people in wealth building when most don’t even have citizenship and extra schooling compared to us if it’s not at our expense?

This response. Every response you make just reaffirms your classism towards poorer Americans. The fact you can’t understand something so simple. And the sad thing is your likely black or Latino (probably Latino which would explain a lot) so you’re likely only 1-2 generations away from being that poor lower class person. The fact you can’t see where I’m coming from for five seconds is hilarious.

 

[chico25]

This is a garbage post. Who you go after doesn’t matter. Whether you crack down on deporting illegals or go after companies hiring them, the end result is the same And no, just to cut you off before you write another garbage post, illegals aren’t the big bad boogie man keeping wages down but they’re a part of it

And I’d go after every single person who stole from me. Maybe you let nikkas steal from you just because they took $50. That shows your mindset.

Except the result isn't the same, if you go after the immigrants then that leaves a job opening that other immigrants will fill leaving a revolving door and continuing problem. If you go after the businesses then you are punishing the people that are causing the problem, leaving no where for the immigrants to work and no reason for them to come here or stay.

The theft analogy doesn't work in general because the immigrants aren't taking anything from you. A better analogy would have been if someone stole $50,000 from you and gave a few dollars of that to someone else. That would be more accurate to what's actually happening.

playbook

your deity napoleon has posted tons of threads with evidence that illegal immigration is not helpful to the middle class, or black people. is he wrong?

you cant pay a citizen as badly as you can pay an illegal, shythead this might be the worst argument ive ever had in HL

you know what, you guys win. people coming here illegally who need places to live, jobs, and care at the ER despite being uninsured, is great for the middle class

First, I never said that illegal immigration was good for the middle class. I said that if we got rid of illegal immigrants it would have no effect on wages for the middle class. That is true for every citizen that is currently employed in this country. None of their employers will suddenly decide to raise their wages because illegal immigrants are no longer available to employ. Also if you want to stop employers from hiring illegal immigrants then place harsher penalties on them for doing so. Make it so the cost of getting caught hiring illegal immigrants will be much higher than the cost of hiring a citizen at a livable wage.

 

[ZoeGod]

All I’ll say is if the income inequality gap that is plaguing the West is not addressed with real policies what you saw in Paris last year will be a pillow fight compared what will come when the people can’t take it anymore. And for the elites they must do this because you need social cohesion. If they ignore the people then the people will rise up in mass and there will be blood in the streets.

 

[Pressure]

And the sad thing is your likely black or Latino (probably Latino which would explain a lot) so you’re likely only 1-2 generations away from being that poor lower class person. The fact you can’t see where I’m coming from for five seconds is hilarious.

I'm a nikka from North Charlotte. Got locked up before I ever stepped foot on campus. shyt I went through would have likely broke your weak ass.

 

[Pressure]

It’s not mutually exclusive. You can be against both. Such a copout argument.

What you consider a solution is merely playing whack-a-mole.

 

[Reece]

I'm a nikka from North Charlotte. Got locked up before I ever stepped foot on campus. shyt I went through would have likely broke your weak ass.

I’m from Philly what you saying you gump ass nikka You obviously an Uncle Tom ass nikka now. You of all people should understand what we saying. Half the nikkas you was locked up with have no options and are affected by the shyt you saying isnt an issue.

 

[the cac mamba]

First, I never said that illegal immigration was good for the middle class. I said that if we got rid of illegal immigrants it would have no effect on wages for the middle class. That is true for every citizen that is currently employed in this country. None of their employers will suddenly decide to raise their wages because illegal immigrants are no longer available to employ. Also if you want to stop employers from hiring illegal immigrants then place harsher penalties on them for doing so. Make it so the cost of getting caught hiring illegal immigrants will be much higher than the cost of hiring a citizen at a livable wage.

well you're lying

if you got rid of every illegal tomorrow, there would be more job opportunities for the middle class, specifically blue collar work. its simple numbers, they have this thing called 'supply and demand'