LOL @ "Hip hop doesn't influence the youth"

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I notice this same exact shyt on every hip hop board I've had this discussion on, people will flat out deny that hip hop is responsible for promoting and glorifying a lot of these behaviors that our youth are participating in.

Problem is, the kids of the 90s who listened to the negativity, are grown up and have kids of their own. :merchant:

The content in today's music may as well be audio porn. That shyt does affect a lot of weak minded people to doing bullshyt.
 

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That's a sweeping generalization of "commercial rap" and you it, and the black youth did all those things long before rap. So again, why make hip-hop the fall guy? Hollywood has far greater negatively affected the youth more than hip-hop ever could. I'm not necessarily defending either but I'm just not a fan of the singling out of blacks in this country and by the media especially.

hip hop is glorifying and praising destructive behavior in Black communities.

you can play the "but what about ______" game all day long, but all we have to do is walk into the Black communities and see the behaviors and the background music they're using as theme music.

your arguments boil down to, "they were doing these things anyway", so why are rappers glorifying this shyt, why are they glorifying selling drugs, disrespecting women and killing Black people?

why glorify the very things that are destroying the communities?

:patrice:
 

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Any youth selling and doing drugs, drinking to excess, using street slangs obsessively and disrespecting his own sister was never going to be no Albert Einstein to begin with.

that's absolute bullshyt, and many of the youth who participate in these destructive behaviors still have the potential to be Einsteins, but the culture that's glorified and promoted by the celebrities that our youth idolize have nothing to do with intelligence or critical thinking, it's all about drugs, disrespecting women and murdering Black men.
 

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Has little to do with the music. While it can take little blame, it's really the parents accountability. People need to learn how to raise kids.

I've said this before, that some people just shouldn't have kids. Also, I've said this before though, only kids with strong upbringings and strong heads should listen to this shyt.. The same can be said for all sorts of iniquitous media....

Kids are always gonna experiment with shyt and do crazy things, parents just got to make sure they don't jump too far off the bridge and have some sort of logic.

I listened to all sorts of rap growing up (everything)... I was never influenced by it the way others I grew up with were.
 

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that's absolute bullshyt, and many of the youth who participate in these destructive behaviors still have the potential to be Einsteins, but the culture that's glorified and promoted by the celebrities that our youth idolize have nothing to do with intelligence or critical thinking, it's all about drugs, disrespecting women and murdering Black men.

Even worse, you got grown ass men in rap that are 30-45 years old still talking shyt about "nerds" that are our future doctors, engineers, social workers, and community activists.
 

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hip hop is glorifying and praising destructive behavior in Black communities.

you can play the "but what about ______" game all day long, but all we have to do is walk into the Black communities and see the behaviors and the background music they're using as theme music.

your arguments boil down to, "they were doing these things anyway", so why are rappers glorifying this shyt, why are they glorifying selling drugs, disrespecting women and killing Black people?

why glorify the very things that are destroying the communities?

:patrice:

They're all kinds of rappers out there...some glorify the violence within their communities while others merely report it...as far as why they do it, who cares, I'm not here to defend these visibly retarded rap nikkas. All I'm saying is, if we're gonna talk about all the negatives, might as well bring up the positives as well, and there are a lot of positives that come with rap whether you choose to acknowledge 'em or not.

For example, hip-hop even at its unhealthy could an effective ass de-stressor. But you don't ever hear that side of the argument though, because people would rather single it out as the leading cause of black on black violence and drug use among the youth even though before I picked up a rap CD I knew crime was bad and so were drugs, but I'm going to grow up to be a fukked up youth instead and pin all my problems on black music. It's just pretty backward when people point the finger like that knowing their ass would be fukk-ups whether rap ever existed or not.
 

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Has little to do with the music. While it can take little blame, it's really the parents accountability. People need to learn how to raise kids.

I've said this before, that some people just shouldn't have kids. Also, I've said this before though, only kids with strong upbringings and strong heads should listen to this shyt.. The same can be said for all sorts of iniquitous media....

Kids are always gonna experiment with shyt and do crazy things, parents just got to make sure they don't jump too far off the bridge and have some sort of logic.

I listened to all sorts of rap growing up (everything)... I was never influenced by it the way others I grew up with were.

75% of Black children are raised in single parent homes, of course parents should "learn how to raise kids", we should also learn how to stop killing one another in the Black community, unfortunately neither of those is a current reality, many of these kids are raised by the streets and the music they listen to everyday to make it through the day, and it's usually music that is extremely destructive.

parents simply aren't around for many of these kids, but the celebrities they aspire to be like are, these kids have nothing and they can look at a celebrity that came from the same background as them but they made it by rapping about drugs, disrespecting women and murdering Black men.

rap isn't merely entertainment for kids who actually live the lifestyles these rappers only rap about while living in million dollar homes protected by gated communities.

the lines are very blurred for many of these kids.
 

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that's absolute bullshyt, and many of the youth who participate in these destructive behaviors still have the potential to be Einsteins, but the culture that's glorified and promoted by the celebrities that our youth idolize have nothing to do with intelligence or critical thinking, it's all about drugs, disrespecting women and murdering Black men.

...and the intelligent, young critical-thinkers out there are the ones idolizing these celebrities? Again. You're proving my point. While ignoring the healthy amount of positive and great black role models out there.

But i'll let you do you though.
 

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They're all kinds of rappers out there...some glorify the violence within their communities while others merely report it...as far as why they do it, who cares, I'm not here to defend these visibly retarded rap nikkas. All I'm saying is, if we're gonna talk about all the negatives, might as well bring up the positives as well, and there are a lot of positives that come with rap whether you choose to acknowledge 'em or not.

For example, hip-hop even at its unhealthy could an effective ass de-stressor. But you don't ever hear that side of the argument though, because people would rather single it out as the leading cause of black on black violence and drug use among the youth even though before I picked up a rap CD I knew crime was bad and so were drugs, but I'm going to grow up to be a fukked up youth instead and pin all my problems on black music. It's just pretty backward when people point the finger like that knowing their ass would be fukk-ups whether rap ever existed or not.

should a crack dealer sell crack based on the premise that if he doesn't sell it, someone else should so he might as well get the money?

:patrice:

Heroin is an effective de-stressor too, that doesn't negate the fact that it destroys the body in the process.

hip hop is a de-stressor but the music is POISON just like heroin or crack cocaine.
 

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should a crack dealer sell crack based on the premise that if he doesn't sell it, someone else should so he might as well get the money?

:patrice:

Heroin is an effective de-stressor too, that doesn't negate the fact that it destroys the body in the process.

hip hop is a de-stressor but the music is POISON just like heroin or crack cocaine.

We're comparing fans of music to heroin and crack addicts now? Are you serious?
 

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...and the intelligent, young critical-thinkers out there are the ones idolizing these celebrities? Again. You're proving my point. While ignoring the healthy amount of positive and great black role models out there.

But i'll let you do you though.

does the Black community at large, idolize this "healthy amount" of great black role models?

:patrice:

who are these role models and where are the black youth who aspire to be like them?

where are the black youth who post test scores on Instagram instead of weed and fistfuls of money like they're favorite rappers?

:patrice:
 

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so what should be done? a boycott?? Hell u sound like C Delories Tucker right about now LOL. Dont u remember all those anti rap protests in the 90's with the likes of people like Reverend Calvin Butts?? What do u want to hapen?? the most u can do is enlighten ya own circle about what is right and wrong and accept the reality that there will be many who will not make it.

change is made from the inside out. the rappers, specifically the luminaries and the elder statesmen (26+), need to lead the charge.. c delores tucker and calvin butts aint "cool" to anybody, its easy to make them the enemy and to make them seem like the bitter aunts and uncles... no kid is following their lead. why can't jay-z or diddy or russell simmons gather all the rappers together and set a goal, to make being smart and being peaceful and being respectful of others "cool"? imagine if everything negative and destructive wasn't cool, can you even grasp that concept? imagine if lean and pills and objectifying women and being a gangsta and smoking a thousand blunts and selling dope was "square". The beats can remain the same, the bars, the cadences, the swag, etc... just a change of message, is that so unthinkable? I can honestly say that rap is far and away the biggest misuse/waste of power and influence in the history of mankind. with the influence this culture has over the youth I don't think it's far-fetched to say that rap and rappers could change the world, why not change it for the better?
 

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We're comparing fans of music to heroin and crack addicts now? Are you serious?

I'm speaking about the influence of Hip Hop on youth, not a casual hip hop fan, and the effects this music culture has on kids is similar to drugs, it destroys their minds.
 

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change is made from the inside out. the rappers, specifically the luminaries and the elder statesmen (26+), need to lead the charge.. c delores tucker and calvin butts aint "cool" to anybody, its easy to make them the enemy and to make them seem like the bitter aunts and uncles... no kid is following their lead. why can't jay-z or diddy or russell simmons gather all the rappers together and set a goal, to make being smart and being peaceful and being respectful of others "cool"? imagine if everything negative and destructive wasn't cool, can you even grasp that concept? imagine if lean and pills and objectifying women and being a gangsta and smoking a thousand blunts and selling dope was "square". The beats can remain the same, the bars, the cadences, the swag, etc... just a change of message, is that so unthinkable? I can honestly say that rap is the biggest misuse/waste of power and influence in the history of mankind. with the influence this culture has over the youth I don't think it's far-fetched to say that rap and rappers could change the world, why not change it for the better?


Sounds like a nice wish but realistically it will never happen. So now that we have established that will never happen now what??
 
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