Lord Jamar names rappers better than Eminem

[Art Barr]

At the 6.12 mark,.....
THIS IS THE ISSUE.
This is the issue with why hiphop has also died.
our protectors and old guard don'-t have the actual verbiage to express themselves about the culture.
when, it comes fully to verbalization of the actual skill of emcee'n and relaying it to the culture.
they can easily embody what they mean in spirit.
yet, not clearly define what it means in actual terms.
that someone who wants to know and gain an understanding can truly grasp.
plus, since the people trying to grasp.
have been told not to grasp on to content that will enrich them culturally, about hiphop.
it has made any type of general attempt to get the culture understood a task.
so, a guy like Jamar in this vid.
does not articulate what he means and that is why the mecca and rhe culture have such an extreme disconnect.
from rap fans swayed by the prison industrial economy marketing component of rap music.
which, also illustrates how dangerous and vile the prison industrial economy and complex is.


Art Barr

 

[Art Barr]

Eminem is going to lose out in the greatest debate based on a comparison to better emcees.
with a full gamut of skill and no weakness in the technical departments.
plus, the fact eminem ramped up via the usage of other emcees skillset to do so.
while, also being a professional actual artist.
whereas his contemporaries who are better.
are better because they have a legacy of skills.
derived from their own skillset and did not lean on biting to get where they were.
no new gen rappers are better or will be better than eminem.
as they are all offkey and lack the skillset.
as an advanced technical writer to even be mentioned along the likes of eminem culturally, or skillwise.

Art Barr

 

[Art Barr]

honestly, who gives a fukk?
it's 2015 and muthafukkas is really still talkin' bout eminem like he puttin' out records that are great or even good for that matter

obviously eminem's legacy is cemented and all that but hip hop has passed him by (and yes, he still sells because he's white and his loyal white fan base is gone always be there but his music ain't been shyt in a loooong ass time, 10 plus years long ass time)

muthafukkas talkin' bout eminem like it's fukkin' 2000 or some shyt

So, are we basing actual skill on bullshyt like sales relevency, marketing permeation, now.
If we lay out the argument.
your stance would lose any, who is this or that discussion off gp, easily.


Art Barr

 

[Art Barr]

This was the first misnomer in jamar's brilliant viral vid run.
this was the first time.
he really never talked, with real depth.
nor had a real grasp of what particulars to focus on, that justify his point.
plus, that lack of real focus on this.
can be attacked by naysayers, rather easily this time.


Art Barr

 

[SirBiatch]

@Art Barr the fact of the matter is that hip hop is first and foremost about soul. And soul is not 'technical'. Never has been.

The "each one teach one" philosophy that got lost somewhere down the line.

 

[Art Barr]

Literally only white people call Eminem the GOAT.

CACs want to make it clear they want hip-hop to be whitewashed when they boast Eminem.

This is not true.
only white pop fans would say eminem was the goat.
if you polled all types of rap fans who were white this would be the results.
Emo fans because they are swayed and fooled by old hiphopinfinity.com pass systems and elp.
They would literally say slug was king.
if you asked a white rap fan who was a gangsta rap fan.
he would say the prison industrial marketed pick for that time for who was the greatest.

As, even in the white side of rap fans,
they were segregated on purpose and manipulated like the black people they listen to on record.
if you ask a real white bboy, who is real.
you get the real answer of krs.
When, it comes to white people as fans.
they were segregated close to twenty years ago, on purpose by the Rupert murdoch funded tax I'd companies.
thrn, splintered along two warped theories of thought.
that have spun out of control.
to include any and all types of white people.
as general listeners of rap of any genre of rap.


Art Barr

 

[Art Barr]

@Art Barr the fact of the matter is that hip hop is first and foremost about soul. And soul is not 'technical'. Never has been.

The "each one teach one" philosophy that got lost somewhere down the line.

Soul in rap music would be defined by vocal tonality.
which in turn creates convincability.
which only one signed white rapper in history had.
Which was paul wall, on his second gw solo lp.
Only four white rappers in history I wanna say has ever been onkey, in the underground.
.
yet, even then it still is never on the level of the best usage of vocal tonality, all time in rap from rakim.
or, in a commercial realm from ll cool j and Busta rhymes.

Past that, no white rapper will ever have the vocal tonality to correctly pocket a verse with the right vocal tonality.
as, white people in general do not and will not ever demonstrate vocal tonality accurately in rap. Or most music for that matter.
as, generally and in standard rule.
white people do not have the soul.
or aptitude of vocal tonality to properly submit what would be a perfect verse all the way as an emcee.
all white rappers have to be given a pass for being offkey.

Plus, moving forward.
rap won'-t have any potency because rap has no one moving forward with the proper skills in vocal tonality.
to properly deliver or create the convincability song to song, bar to bar.
to hold any listeners attention past whatever marketing and sonic parlor trick.
that is employed to give it what it lacks as a full quality record.
so, now this is not a white or black problem but a problem in the actual culture.
as, the business of rap is not creating high enough quality skilled artist.
that are visible as gateway artist to crelate and stimulate.
Plus, add to the numbers of new younger guard of emcees.
Moving forward rap will have no emcees.
just weak jingle writer farm communication majors.
all masquerading as phoney culture deficient sellout rappers with no skill, at all.
so, it is about to swallow rap whole and kill this pillar as a business module.
then, rap will be the fad.
they wanted to control and ruin back in 1984 all over again.
except this time,...
you bytch nikkaz gon let them take the only thing that let you breath.

Art Barr





Art Barr

 

[SirBiatch]

Plus, moving forward.
rap won'-t have any potency because rap has no one moving forward with the proper skills in vocal tonality.
to properly deliver or create the convincability song to song, bar to bar.

I completely agree with you, with the exception of one new person. And that's the guy in my avi. Who happens to be named after The God himself.

His vocal tonality is the best I've heard from the new school, period. Hands down. No one new's even close.

But still, there's so much work to be done.

Art Barr





Art Barr

was the second Art Barr really necessary?

 

[Redwing80]

He had me till he said 2 Chainz was better. fukk outta here

 

[SirBiatch]

He had me till he said 2 Chainz was better. fukk outta here

lol. That doesn't invalidate his entire argument, though I get what you mean.

2 Chainz has zero songs I ever want to hear. Em has two.

 

[Art Barr]

I don't know why people think he's untouchable, Royce has gotten him on numerous occasions.

Royse only writes up to em's prowess.
he is nowhere near em content wise or consistently as a wordsmith.
plus, Royse is horrifixal

I completely agree with you, with the exception of one new person. And that's the guy in my avi. Who happens to be named after The God himself.

His vocal tonality is the best I've heard from the new school, period. Hands down. No one new's even close.

But still, there's so much work to be done.



was the second Art Barr really necessary?

ASAP rocky is horrifically offkey and will never be onkey.
that is why he leans on double time spacepurp styling sonically and screw efx.
as he lacks the real technical aptitude.
on an advanced level to write the four to six syllable verse needed.
in this sonic landscape Bar to bar, verse to verse to be on key.
you may like ASAP rocky but he is one of the wackest new talent.
his best saving grace is just biting the wack prerequisite energy look and mic presence.
that says an amateur had one good outing at the open mic.
It is nuffin but that same amateur hour display on loop.
he offers nuffin to a listener looking to really hear high quality rap.

ASAP rocky is a 1991-93, twenty year anniversary retread of the look from black moon videos.
mixed with what if there was a ny 1993 bone equivalent biter style artist twenty years later.
with every Twista Texas draws down south chopped and screwed efx trick employed that is possible.


Art Barr

 

[Art Barr]

lol. That doesn't invalidate his entire argument, though I get what you mean.

2 Chainz has zero songs I ever want to hear. Em has two.

This was the first time Jamar had no real content that was tangible whatsoever.
It totally invalidated his argument cause his argument was really not in full about emcee'n.
plus, I don't think you can ask an unactualized emcee.
for a critique on another rapper that they are no where near as remotely skilled in.
as, most rappers won't keep it real.
plus, they fake jax and don't want their jax they fake exposed.


Art Barr

 

[SirBiatch]

ASAP rocky is horrifically offkey and will never be onkey.
that is why he leans on double time spacepurp styling sonically and screw efx.
as he lacks the real technical aptitude.
on an advanced level to write the four to six syllable verse needed.
in this sonic landscape Bar to bar, verse to verse to be on key.
you may like ASAP rocky but he is one of the wackest new talent.
his best saving grace is just biting the wack prerequisite energy look and mic presence.
that says an amateur had one good outing at the open mic.
It is nuffin but that same amateur hour display on loop.
he offers nuffin to a listener looking to really hear high quality rap.

ASAP rocky is a 1991-93, twenty year anniversary retread of the look from black moon videos.
mixed with what if there was a ny 1993 bone equivalent biter style artist twenty years later.
with every Twista Texas draws down south chopped and screwed efx trick employed that is possible.


Art Barr

I agree and I disagree.

I'll tell you where I agree. If you put Rocky on top of a boom bap beat, his flow sounds really boring. Evidence: his radio freestyles. It's boring in the sense that it's not hard enough. It's flimsy. And like you said, there is a lack of technique that prevents him from rocking a straight up boom bap beat effectively. Rocky's writing, particularly when it comes to verses, has always been his weak point.

Where I completely disagree is that vocal tonality to me is about "sweet toughness". Every single great rapper has this. In spades. Hip hop to me, and feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, is both beautiful and raw. At the same time. The beauty comes from the finesse part, and the raw comes from the energy found in desperation/hard living. Some rappers will be more beautiful than raw (really smooth e.g. Mos Def), and others will be more raw than beautiful (Billy Danze). But both of them have 'it'.

Rocky has 'it'. It's not as strong as rap in its heyday but it's a A LOT stronger than anyone out now. And I can post the examples to prove it. Whether it be tracks like "Bass" or "Lord Pretty Flacko Jodye 2", there's a sweet grit there that has been missing in hip hop for many fukking years.

edit: I see what you're talking about. Can Rocky captivate the crowd by him just rapping acapella? No. hell no. I don't know a single new cat that can. And right off the bat, it prevents them from being GREAT rappers.

 

[TrifeGod]

I think RA would run circles around Eminem

 

[Art Barr]

I agree and I disagree.

I'll tell you where I agree. If you put Rocky on top of a boom bap beat, his flow sounds really boring. Evidence: his radio freestyles. It's boring in the sense that it's not hard enough. It's flimsy. And like you said, there is a lack of technique that prevents him from rocking a straight up boom bap beat effectively. Rocky's writing, particularly when it comes to verses, has always been his weak point.

Where I completely disagree is that vocal tonality to me is about "sweet toughness". Every single great rapper has this. In spades. Hip hop to me, and feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, is both beautiful and raw. At the same time. The beauty comes from the finesse part, and the raw comes from the energy found in desperation/hard living. Some rappers will be more beautiful than raw (really smooth e.g. Mos Def), and others will be more raw than beautiful (Billy Danze). But both of them have 'it'.

Rocky has 'it'. It's not as strong as rap in its heyday but it's a A LOT stronger than anyone out now. And I can post the examples to prove it. Whether it be tracks like "Bass" or "Lord Pretty Flacko Jodye 2", there's a sweet grit there that has been missing in hip hop for many fukking years.

edit: I see what you're talking about. Can Rocky captivate the crowd by him just rapping acapella? No. hell no. I don't know a single new cat that can. And right off the bat, it prevents them from being GREAT rappers.

The only it rocky has is,..
as the guy the record company wanted to use as its label plant.
that would not drop the ball via pr.
past that, he is nowhere near a quality listen and it is all visuals and pr.
which do not resonate on a level anywhere near what he is the twenty year anniversary biter artist of artist in 1992/93.

Rocky is the ny equivalent of what if I took black moon style visuals and offkey buckshot shorty vibe style rhymes before he ramped up.
then, rapped like every weak double time rapper out west after snypaz debuted.
to later have their style bit by Twista.
on a lower level lyrically than twenty years ago.
in the same vein def loaf is the look alike brown skin version retread of boss who uses melody.
plus, can not be taken to task for being from auburn hills.
if you don't believe they market you guys inferior clones of the twenty years anniversary of 1992-94 era.

Look at this def loaf vid and then this boss video.


then see how similar boss and dej loaf look.

Dej loaf




Boss



then apply the same to any and every artist from that era that took off.
then, pay attention to the very obvious clone replacement of said artist from twenty years ago.
if they can't replicate the artist.
they replicate the movement from that time.
namely weed and x being sold still in stores.
now, it is all weed and molly, and double time records.
With a system of fake fraud rappers with undercover tom Mcc00n McCann-ism.
they only giving y'all wack fraud rappers disguised as talent.


Art Barr