Lupe Fiasco #BeMoreLikeKendrickLamar... goes in on Azealia Banks (Kid Cudi catches strays)

[Ronnie Lott]

You have yet to enlighten us on how you feel the right move for our people would be? All you have done is counter everything with the oppressor controls us non sense. How do you for yourself feel us as a people should handle these matters?

I asked you a question that you have yet to answer

 

[Notorious Jerry]

So basically just keep taking ass whoopings and killings and hope for the best

You live in a fantasy world breh

This nikka actually said "help eachother get thru the hard times"

You trying to hard breh. But you are the one living in a fantasy world if you think you can pick up a sword or some shyt and take on everyone.

 

[Notorious Jerry]

I asked you a question that you have yet to answer

I have responded to everything you have asked the more you post the more I figure you out, you honestly come across as someone who is highly opinionated with no common knowledge of what you are speaking on. But im done speaking on this subject as you have yet contribute anything of value to the matter.

 

[Ronnie Lott]

You trying to hard breh. But you are the one living in a fantasy world if you think you can pick up a sword or some shyt and take on everyone.

When did I say anything about picking up a sword. Stop trying to put words in my mouth.

You said that black people should basically turn the other cheek and hope for the best

 

[Ronnie Lott]

I have responded to everything you have asked the more you post the more I figure you out, you honestly come across as someone who is highly opinionated with no common knowledge of what you are speaking on. But im done speaking on this subject as you have yet contribute anything of value to the matter.

I accept your defeat

 

[up in here]

when's the last time you or someone you know was denied a job because of race?

And there's plenty of racial bias by the police but you're exacerbating that to a degree that does not exist anymore. If black people are getting arrested for drug charges, it's because they either got drugs, used to sell drugs, or are affiliated with people who deal with drugs. If you wanna be the pro-black, stop making the other pro-blacks look bad.

Drugs exist in every community in America but statistically Blacks are incarcerated more for drug charges (specifically marajuana) than any other race.

What do you suggest black people do in response of us getting legally lynched/killed by cops and George Zimmerman types?

How do we prevent that?

Black people care about black lives. The problem is The U.S historically does not

I honestly don't know breh. I would hope that if we were unified as a people than we would be more capable of organising effective responses to these types of incidences and have more control over what takes place to members of our community. Unfortunately the responses we have made in the past have been ineffective, with these murderers all walking free. A large part of that is because we hold no power over our communities because we are only unified after something happens. We need to be unified all the time. We need a stronger presence over our local politicians, a more active and unified vote count, and more community solidarity.

 

[JMurder]

Bro, are you aware that black people are arrested, prosecuted, and convicted 4 times more as well as sentenced longer than their white counterparts for the same crimes? Why is that?

It's due to a long history of blacks starting from the bottom instead of the middle like white people. Which itself is a result of years of slavery, racism, discrimination, and all the things you're claiming happen overwhelmingly now but don't actually. Yes...black people struggle currently as a result of the things white people have done to us in this country. However with discrimination laws, improvement on race relations, and the birth of generations who are more tolerant and less ignorant...we are currently in a period where "blaming the white man" is more an excuse than a logical answer. Regardless of what you might think of him as a man, or the job he's doing, the proof is in the skin color of the man who currently runs the United States. The proof is in the numerous offices and jobs that currently hold persons of color. Do I think the job is done as far as race relations and racism is concerned? NO...but if you think that black people as a whole are being systematically held down now then you're just looking for the easy way out. The system of holding us mostly doesn't exist anymore...at this point it's the shadows of that system that continue to hold us down. It's up to us to actually strive to achieve more.

 

[JMurder]

Drugs exist in every community in America but statistically Blacks are incarcerated more for drug charges (specifically marajuana) than any other race.

I didn't deny there was a bias bro...I know those stats. I see them everyday. There is a bias no doubt. But there aren't innocent black folk going to jail for drugs...they're mostly guilty. We already know cops believe blacks are dangerous and are more likely to do drugs....but being dangerous and doing drugs are evils that we probably don't want to associate ourselves with anyway. I'd rather us be better than other races when it comes to drug abuse

 

[The Ruler 09]

What?

 

[SunZoo]

Yeah. But whatever the case, it tears down the idea that getting our shyt together would elicit respect. Black people have been trying to do this since slavery.

Getting our shyt together would make us formidable enough to not have to try to elicit anything.

Scale this down to your personal life it's people that you probably know that you don't rock with but "respect" because you....have to. From the hood to the boardroom your abilities/skills and attitude can make those that don't necessarily care for your presence still have respect for it. And as I said while a support system is paramount, trying to put all this on the back of a leader, an organization or one particular area is dangerous...look at any other movement that has gotten a lick off on the white power structure whether it be violently or economically they did it on the low...sleeper cells and all that

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Chill feds...just a mmetaphor

 

[Ronnie Lott]

It's due to a long history of blacks starting from the bottom instead of the middle like white people. Which itself is a result of years of slavery, racism, discrimination, and all the things you're claiming happen overwhelmingly now but don't actually. Yes...black people struggle currently as a result of the things white people have done to us in this country. However with discrimination laws, improvement on race relations, and the birth of generations who are more tolerant and less ignorant...we are currently in a period where "blaming the white man" is more an excuse than a logical answer. Regardless of what you might think of him as a man, or the job he's doing, the proof is in the skin color of the man who currently runs the United States. The proof is in the numerous offices and jobs that currently hold persons of color. Do I think the job is done as far as race relations and racism is concerned? NO...but if you think that black people as a whole are being systematically held down now then you're just looking for the easy way out. The system of holding us mostly doesn't exist anymore...at this point it's the shadows of that system that continue to hold us down. It's up to us to actually strive to achieve more.

You typed all that bullshyt but still fell short of answering my question directly.

I'll ask again, why are black people arrested, charged, convicted 4 times more than their white counterparts as well as being sentenced harsher?

How can you you acknowledge the above as fact, but then turn around and say some bullshyt like "black people are not being systematically held back"

Are you denying the existence of white supremacy?

You act as if there are no racist people here in the U.S. you act as if just because we have a black president that it automatically has stopped racism.

Millions upon millions of shyte people hate Obama simply because of his skin color and nothin to do with his policies or political party.

 

[The Ruler 09]

Lupe has done some dope songs going at the system though, I wouldn't call him "c00n" immediately off his comment, sometimes you DO have to look deeper into what someone is saying. I'm not the biggest Lupe fan, but he doesn't come across as "c00nish" to me. Maybe he believes Azealia Banks is using it as a marketing scheme and isn't sincere, I don't know if she is or not but maybe that's his belief. Azealia didn't come off well in that exchange with Lupe though to me.

Also, Azealia, does she speak on pro black and social/political issues in her music? I hope the answer is yes....

 

[Ronnie Macho]

FOH with this bullshyt you sounding like a CAC right now

Who is this "most of us" bullshyt?

Right...where I'm at nikkas is gettin' it with this I.T. money....I'm goin' for my Linux cert to pull six figures...there's more brothers with college
degrees than are in jail...

More Black Men in College than in Prison
Jamelle Bouie

February 28, 2013

A little known fact, it seems.


At this point, it's almost a cliché to declare "There are more black men in jail than in college." I've heard it my entire life—from adults, friends, politicians, and assorted pundits. When he was just a presidential candidate, then-Senator Barack Obama told the NAACP that "We have more work to do when more young black men languish in prison than attend colleges and universities across America."

It's a great soundbite. But it isn't true. As Howard University professor Ivory Toldson shows in a story for The Root, the original report on black male college enrollment—the Justice Policy Institute's "Cellblocks or Classrooms," first published in 2001—is far out of date. "If we replicated JPI's analysis," writes Toldson, "we would find a 108.5 percent jump in black male college enrollment from 2001 to 2011. The raw numbers show that enrollment of black males increased from 693,044 in 2001 to 1,445,194 in 2011."

By contrast, of the estimated 2 million inmates held in state or federal prison—or local jails—841,000 are African American men. To be fair, those numbers are from 2009. Toldson provides a more direct comparison using data from the National Center for Education Statistics, the Census Bureau's American Community Survey and the Department of Justice's statistics on prison enrollment:




In 2009, the DOJ's most recent year for data on prison populations, there were more than 150 percent more black males in college than incarcerated. Given the declining prison presence of African Americans—incarceration rates fell sharply between 2000 and 2009, and remain on a downward slope—and the growing presence of blacks in higher education, the difference between the two populations is likely larger.

This is great news. Whether it will affect our conversations over the status of black males is, of course, a different question.

Article Link: http://prospect.org/article/more-black-men-college-prison

About the Author

Jamelle Bouie is a staff writer at The American Prospect.



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[JMurder]

You typed all that bullshyt but still fell short of answering my question directly.

I answered it in the first two sentences

I'll ask again, why are black people arrested, charged, convicted 4 times more than their white counterparts as well as being sentenced harsher?

How can you you acknowledge the above as fact, but then turn around and say some bullshyt like "black people are not being systematically held back"

Are you denying the existence of white supremacy?

You act as if there are no racist people here in the U.S. you act as if just because we have a black president that it automatically has stopped racism.

Millions upon millions of shyte people hate Obama simply because of his skin color and nothin to do with his policies or political party.

You're saying a lot of things I already addressed. I already said in the first post that there is a bias that goes on within the police and maybe even up to the judges. I already stated that there is racism out there. I also stated that the ghosts of systematic racism is still alive (in the old guard police officers, corrections officers, judges, etc.).

Now...with all that being said...the tools are there for black people to completely change the way things are...but in the hoods/projects they don't and it's not because white people are forcing them not to. I grew up in poor neighborhoods and I live near poor neighborhoods now...and it's interesting seeing for myself how poverty is used as an excuse for a select number of my people to act like animals when other races don't. THAT is probably why police target us moreso than other races even though this animalistic nature is a result of centuries of the white man conditioning us to believe we were less than human.

And I agree with you that there is a vast amount of people who hate Obama simply because of his skin color. There are also people who are ignorant and listen to the views of those people who hate Obama because of his skin color because they don't know better. I've seen it with my own eyes people who spew the rhetoric of the "conservative right" because they know no better and sound like they hate Obama because he's black. There's a lot of complexities in the topic but I think we'll both agree that Obama is treated MUCH differently/harsher because he's black. I agree with that sentiment, and I am angry because of it...but I also kind of accept that unless he was a better president than Clinton that all of this was just par for the course. It doesn't change the fact that he was able to become President from the beginnings he had. It doesn't change the fact that many black people have the opportunity to fight against the norms and statistics for the better and instead use the rhetoric of white supremacy to excuse the bullshyt they do.

I actually used to be on your side of the argument because I know your side has truth to it. I know that there are still racial elements that are out there that make it more difficult for us to thrive. I gave up that argument when I realized that those elements don't apply to me despite the fact that I'm black. Those racial elements are really paper thin...and the tools are out there for us to save ourselves. I'd rather focus on using those tools than complaining about the paper thin ceiling keeping my people in bondage

 

[Ronnie Macho]

no, what shes saying is bullshyt, a fake militant only doing that shyt when it matters, when she wants to be relevant.


Lupe and kednrick are right to be on some "fukk your race" shyt, You can't blame other people if you don't respect yourself.

everytime I meet a black guy he always on some "I wanna kill that guy, I wanna be a gangsta" bullshyt





respect yourself first, then respect others and you'll be respected.

you're just meeting your inner reflection through a "black guy"...which may suggest you wish to be a said "black guy" in order to allow yourself
to feel "gangsta"...it's all a reflection of your mind friend...if you respected yourself you would meet other "black guys" that respected themselves as well...

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