Main difference between Aaliyah and Beyonce

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^^lol @ that :duck:.

and homie, this is all about singing. just because you have more outside ventures, doesnt mean youre a bigger star in your main field. is tone loc bigger than dr dre? lol. fuggouttahere. youre talking a bunch of bullchit at this point and im not the one for it.

and monica isnt very white-friendly. i dont know why you expect her to do as much side chit as them, whether she wanted to or not. lol. common sense.

Even in singing, Aaliyah sold more albums than Monica AND won more awards, not to mention Aaliyah made a bigger impact in r & b and influenced way more artists than Monica ever did.

Well if you want to use that tone loc analogy, Dre has his own headphones, laptops, he's a producer, rapper, owns his own label, and he's an actor. So either way, Dre still wins that as well. #FAIL :dead:
 

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This asinine analogy is exactly what's wrong with you. I'm not even gonna explain...

go sit ya lil nicca @$$ down.

Even in singing, Aaliyah sold more albums than Monica AND won more awards, not to mention Aaliyah made a bigger impact in r & b and influenced way more artists than Monica ever did.

Well if you want to use that tone loc analogy, Dre has his own headphones, laptops, he's a producer, rapper, owns his own label, and he's an actor. So either way, Dre still wins that as well. #FAIL :dead:

they sold the same. monica had more impact, bigger hits & popularity.

and aside from being a template for future minimally-talented female studio singers, aalyiah didnt influence anything.

youre right about the tone loc/dre analogy.:cheers: i just threw 2 names out there on the humbug. i take my Ls proudly.
 

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Wow, this thread done blew up. I aint read none of your dumb ass basement fan stannery low key Jigga worshipping brokeass ratchetry shyt.

Aaliyah made music, Beyonce makes bubble gum bullshyt, it's amazing how blind you Camel fukkers are. Disgusting, almost as disgusting as Jay's broke bytch voicey voice.

Real talk

Are you or are you not Republican strategist Frank Luntz?
 

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go sit ya lil nicca @$$ down.



they sold the same. monica had more impact, bigger hits & popularity.

and aside from being a template for future minimally-talented female studio singers, aalyiah didnt influence anything.

youre right about the tone loc/dre analogy.:cheers: i just threw 2 names out there on the humbug. i take my Ls proudly.

They didn't sell the same. Aaliyah sold more according to soundscan.

She also won more awards for her music. In fact, Monica's first award win in her entire career was in 2010.



8,621,000, Brandy
8,151,000, Aaliyah
4,809,000, Monica
3,211,000, Mya


Ask Billboard: How Popular Is Country Music? - Chart Beat | Billboard


And influence? Aaliyah's impact in r & b trumps Monica's.

there's even more I could post. I'll wait for the Monica praise vids.

Monica was just a singer. Aaliyah and Brandy were sucessful in more fields than just music, therefore making them bigger STARS.







[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9DgH58e4O8&feature=related]People Aaliyah Influenced & Spoken On [PART 1] - YouTube[/ame]
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pX_4cHXT6F4"]LeToya Speaks on Aaliyah - YouTube[/ame]
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TO_oSH1qnHo"]Rochelle Jordan - King A (Aaliyah 10 Tribute) - YouTube[/ame]
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=edNViP4nTJ0"]Drake - Unforgettable (Feat. Young Jeezy) with Lyrics on Screen - YouTube[/ame]
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uabgkeCgL9I"]MomsFavoriteSong - YouTube[/ame]
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3jOpb8Pb1JE"]Aaliyah Tribute Video - Tiffany Evans - YouTube[/ame]
 
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So... let's also pretend none of those sales and praise have anything to do with her being deceased.

Not saying ALL OF IT is a result of that, but I'm willing to be that both of her first two albums have sold at least an extra million in the wake of her death.

I don't know how this go-hard discrediting of Monica's stardom happened, but there's a reason 'The Boy Is Mine' was a huge deal. Aside from the song itself, a major part of that song's draw was that it was Brandy and Monica on the same song. Let's not act like Monica was some R&B girl that was only hot on urban radio or some shyt- she had just as many top 10 Hot 100 hits just like Brandy and Aaliyah did... look it up.

I mean, no dis to Aaliyah, seriously. She made great music... but some of y'all in this thread like any young female R&B singer owes her career and had to bow at the feet of the immortal Aaliyah, and I don't recall it being like that at all. She was definitely at the top, but it's not like her existence was stopping everybody else in their tracks.
 

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So... let's also pretend none of those sales and praise have anything to do with her being deceased.

Not saying ALL OF IT is a result of that, but I'm willing to be that both of her first two albums have sold at least an extra million in the wake of her death.

I don't know how this go-hard discrediting of Monica's stardom happened, but there's a reason 'The Boy Is Mine' was a huge deal. Aside from the song itself, a major part of that song's draw was that it was Brandy and Monica on the same song. Let's not act like Monica was some R&B girl that was only hot on urban radio or some shyt- she had just as many top 10 Hot 100 hits just like Brandy and Aaliyah did... look it up.

I mean, no dis to Aaliyah, seriously. She made great music... but some of y'all in this thread like any young female R&B singer owes her career and had to bow at the feet of the immortal Aaliyah, and I don't recall it being like that at all. She was definitely at the top, but it's not like her existence was stopping everybody else in their tracks.

Some of those praise videos I posted were before her death.. if you actually watched them :thumbsup:

And I never said Aaliyah was shytting on the entire world lol, All I said was that Aaliyah and Monica would alternate for that #2 spot while Brandy had that #1 spot.
 

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:beli: great. so you clarified yourself. now i can see even clearer tha youre wrong.
I didn't clarify anything, you accused me of saying something I didn't say. You were wrong off that alone

"sittin up in my room" wasnt a smash hit now? not to mention the singles that came before that. i see that im talking to an idiot now. i might be about done after this post. ur wasting people's time with this bullchit.

I don't remember it being some groundbreaking hit but I could be wrong. Not gonna argue about it because that wasn't the point I made. The point I made was that her biggest undeniable hit was "The Boy Is Mine," and that's her only album that has outsold Aaliyah's. There's nothing wrong about that statement, and nothing that needs clarification.

i dont know where you get your numbers from saying aalyiah outsold their debuts. i really dont care tho. stick to number crunching or "number crunching" and i'll stick to the outside world.:skip:
Like I said, if you want an undeniable source, then you already know that's hard to get. I can prove to you however that Aaliyah sold 190,000 first week and that none of Brandy's first three did.

Aaliyah: Biography from Answers.com Aaliyah 190,000
Got Charts? The Long Road To #1 — And Those Who Rocked It - Music, Celebrity, Artist News | MTV.com Brandy - Never Say Never 160,000 out the gate

i never said aalyiah wasnt on monica & brandy's level. i said she was always a step behind them in terms of popularity, status & hits. she was the 3rd wheel. only category i may have said that aalyiah isnt on their level in, is talent. and im sure even you would agree.
You said "no aalyiah was not as big as monica or brandy." So you were talking about her talent then? No, pretty sure the sentence before that is what you were referring to..."she was always a step behind them in terms of popularity, status & hits." Aka...she wasn't on their level. And the fact is, except for Never Say Never, they were all pretty much the same in terms of popularity...just in different demographics.

i dont care about movies. im talking r&b here. and for the record, "romeo must die" wasnt her movie. get real.
She wasn't a main character in Romeo Must Die? Her and Jet Lie were the main character's...the "Romeo & Juliet." Sit down. And she gave rave reviews for her acting in both this and that piece of trash Queen of the Damned movie. And movies is only brought up in terms of popularity and "looks"

as for what looks they were getting, i already broke all that down like twice. this is why i dont like arguing with people like you. you just ignore chit and keep repeating yourself, even if youre out-of-pocket. all to defend people that could care less about your existence.
you mean like you're doing?

But I digress. When I hear the word "looks," I hear the word "opportunities." I hear "awards and achievements." And any quick look at the history of all three divas paint a similar picture. If we look at awards and achievements...there's no gap there. They all have about the same number of awards that actually matter musically. And Monica's award list outside of "the Boy is Mine"....paltry. If we look at opportunities outside of music, Aaliyah clearly had the most looks. She was the only out of the three getting SIGNIFICANT acting roles before she died. With that comes popularity...with popularity comes an increase in sales. But I don't need to tell you that. Which comes back full circle to the point I made about how Aaliyah's star was rising while Brandy and Monica were starting to fade. By the time of Aaliyah's death, Moesha wasn't popping and her third album couldn't outsell her second. Monica really never did shyt as far as acting goes (though she did try).

And they all had cosigns by important singers in the game. Aaliyah was cosigned by Janet...so please, make it clear for us what you mean by "looks"
and for the record, i liked aalyiah more than brandy & post-destinys child beyonce. but i live in reality.
The same reality where Aaliyah couldn't outsell Brandy and Monica (a comment you cosigned), even though a look at the sales says otherwise?

The same reality where Monica was always #1 or #2 in the mainstream/hood even though she never outsold Aaliyah's albums and anybody growing up in the hood would list 4 Page Letter as one of their top R&B tracks?

The same reality where "Aaliyah" was considered a failure and pushed off to the side even though it sold more in the first week than any of her previous albums, and went gold BEFORE she died?

The same reality where "Aaliyah" had "a year's worth of non-stop pub and it still didn't crack two millie?" Even though it sold 3 million? 9 million worldwide?

You are among the nikkas who compare Aaliyah's singing to Ciara, Alicia Keys and Ashanti...all of whom were noted as singers who couldn't really sing when they started. But you can check Aaliyah's first album for good to great singing. You can peep her acapellas on Youtube and see that she wasn't mindblowingly amazing the way Monica or Beyonce could be, but she wasn't as poor as the above singers.

Yeah apparently we're not living in the same reality
 

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go sit ya lil nicca @$$ down.



they sold the same. monica had more impact, bigger hits & popularity.

and aside from being a template for future minimally-talented female studio singers, aalyiah didnt influence anything.

youre right about the tone loc/dre analogy.:cheers: i just threw 2 names out there on the humbug. i take my Ls proudly.

so you admit that you're analogy was stupid, but I get told to sit down because I called you out on it?

:obama:
 

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Some of those praise videos I posted were before her death.. if you actually watched them :thumbsup:

And I never said Aaliyah was shytting on the entire world lol, All I said was that Aaliyah and Monica would alternate for that #2 spot while Brandy had that #1 spot.

lol "praise". listen to the words these dudes is using on the slick. str8 stan-city.

and nah, thats not all youre saying. youre trying to downplay monica on the slick, and then in the next thread like this a few months from now, youre gonna start on brandy. you dudes aint slick. i sat and watched this same chit unfold with outkast. now theyre suddenly some "goats".

be reality, aalyiah was at her peak in popularity when she went on that soundtrack run in 99-00, which is probably the only time she won these little awards youre bragging about, when she had that "try again" song which was type-poppish. and mind you, brandy & monica werent in the game, and this was all after they were no longer in the same lane. they havnt been in the same lane since '98. brandy & monica got on their grown women chit when they returned from their 4-5 year hiatus'.

They didn't sell the same. Aaliyah sold more according to soundscan.

She also won more awards for her music. In fact, Monica's first award win in her entire career was in 2010.



8,621,000, Brandy
8,151,000, Aaliyah
4,809,000, Monica
3,211,000, Mya


Ask Billboard: How Popular Is Country Music? - Chart Beat | Billboard


And influence? Aaliyah's impact in r & b trumps Monica's.

there's even more I could post. I'll wait for the Monica praise vids.

Monica was just a singer. Aaliyah and Brandy were sucessful in more fields than just music, therefore making them bigger STARS.

Rihanna Praises Aaliyah - YouTube
Beyonce and Destiny's Child Praising Aaliyah. - YouTube

JoJo Praises Aaliyah - YouTube
Cassie Praises Aaliyah (Quote + Interview Video) - YouTube
Utada Praises Aaliyah - YouTube
People Aaliyah Influenced & Spoken On [PART 1] - YouTube
LeToya Speaks on Aaliyah - YouTube
Rochelle Jordan - King A (Aaliyah 10 Tribute) - YouTube
Drake - Unforgettable (Feat. Young Jeezy) with Lyrics on Screen - YouTube
MomsFavoriteSong - YouTube
Aaliyah Tribute Video - Tiffany Evans - YouTube

man, do you realize that youre just proving my point with half these videos? rihanna? cassie?:laff:

and most of these other joints were years after aalyiah died. latoya luckett interviews didnt exist til bout '06. i know. i was stalking her. jojo & tiffany evans werent even cognizant when aalyiah/brandy/monica were in the same lane. and i'll bet that jojo wasnt even listening to aalyiah when she was alive. and you got youtube clips up there?:laugh:

that beyonce chit was just her saying that aalyiah was hot, yet, you translate that as praise as if shes doing cartwheels interviewing aretha franklin or something.:usure:
 

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You are among the nikkas who compare Aaliyah's singing to Ciara, Alicia Keys and Ashanti...all of whom were noted as singers who couldn't really sing when they started. But you can check Aaliyah's first album for good to great singing. You can peep her acapellas on Youtube and see that she wasn't mindblowingly amazing the way Monica or Beyonce could be, but [B]she wasn't as poor as the above singers.


Can u explain what u trying to say about Alicia?
 

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both of these chicks are wildly overrated.

Beyonce makes music for teenagers. Its all generally awful stuff that wont stand the test of time. But she has a great voice.


Aaliyah made better music and had better song writers. Her stuff could be bubblegum but it could also be more mature. Her vocal range was limited as fukk, but she knew that and did not do more.

Kind of a wash to me.:manny:
 
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