Making Melo a lifer and waving at Felton in Rikers: Knicks offseason thread

[Sausageman]

bnew york fans are supposed to have thick skin

 

[JMurder]

lmao @ you fukking idiots entertaining that lame ass troll
@JMurder you're better than this
nikka achieved his goal...getting you fools to write essays about his lame 1 sentenced trolling

I don't be in here like that anymore

And then I acknowledged he trolling in my last sentence

 

[Mr. Jack Napier]

Put that chump on ignore

 

[Sausageman]

Put that chump on ignore

ask knick fans why they blocked me

 

[Sausageman]

 

[tru_m.a.c]

at the time it was breh. Don't be a revisionist

I'm not being a revisionist, but let's stop crowning Amare as some savior. He was worth his contract for one single year out of a 5yr deal. If Amare received a contract worth his "true value" he'd be 6th man status right now.

When Stoudemire received the Suns "final offer" -- a five-year, $95 million deal with partial guarantees on the last two years contingent on Stoudemire playing a minimum of 2,200 minutes his third and fourth seasons, Stoudemire pulled out of negotiations.

I'm not spazzing or nothing. But Amare didn't change the culture of NY basketball. I'm not crowning that man

 

[JMurder]

I'm not being a revisionist, but let's stop crowning Amare as some savior. He was worth his contract for one single year out of a 5yr deal. If Amare received a contract worth his "true value" he'd be 6th man status right now.
I'm not spazzing or nothing. But Amare didn't change the culture of NY basketball. I'm not crowning that man

No one called him a savior. But the facts are Amar'e was the only big name player in that free agency class that decided to sign his name with us, and if he hadn't the Knicks would've continued to be the laughingstock that it was over the previous 9 years. The Knicks would've probably continued it's trend of being a losing team, and it might not have been as an attractive option for Melo if we were lottery bound again. Savior is strong, but his signing was the catalyst of a Knick image turnaround from laughingstock to playoff team. There's nothing wrong with admitting that even if his contract and inability to play for significant periods of time has kept us from getting to the next level, his arrival to the New York Knicks was important to this team. We can say this while at the same time admitting that his ACTUAL contribution to this same team has not been anywhere close to being pivotal.

Hopefully this little paragraph isn't confusing

 

[The War Report]

Amare only signed with us because NY was the only team dumb enough to give him 5 years(with no insurance). It's the same reason Melo is still here despite him having the most miserable year of his professional career. Let's not act like he'd still be here if another team that was a contender was able to give him 5 years at the max.

 

[tru_m.a.c]

No one called him a savior. But the facts are Amar'e was the only big name player in that free agency class that decided to sign his name with us

You're right, you stated he had a "pair of balls". So let me castrate this 100million black hole if I may. I'm not arguing or trolling. Its down time, its the off season...we might as well have a friendly convo about something

The correct statement in my opinion is:

"In the summer of 2010, these were the free agents available: http://www.si.com/more-sports/2013/12/13/free-agentrankings. The Suns created an injury proof contract - with the same years and amount of money offered by the Knicks. Talks stalled, and Phoenix made the smart move:

Stoudemire's days with the Suns ended late last week when the team agreed to $48 million worth of deals with forwards Hakim Warrick and Channing Frye. The sides had discussed an extension, but the Suns looked elsewhere after they'd reached a stalemate.

At that point in time, the Knicks had a core developing and his old coach from Phoenix was here. In essence, his "decision" was neither difficult or risky or his own. In addition:

The agreement effectively removed the Knicks from the pursuit of Chris Bosh, and it significantly reduced the chances of David Lee returning to New York. The Knicks could still use Lee in a sign-and-trade deal if they miss out on James and Wade, but Lee could choose to take a five-year offer from another team between now and Thursday.

So to conclude, I'm missing this time when free agents DIDN'T want to come to NY. They were all courted. But the knicks pitch to lebron was horrible. Bosh always wanted to go Miami anyway. The rest of the free agents weren't worth it.

The Knicks would've probably continued it's trend of being a losing team, and it might not have been as an attractive option for Melo if we were lottery bound again.

if he hadn't the Knicks would've continued to be the laughingstock that it was over the previous 9 years.

I disagree.

 

[PIFF101]

No one called him a savior. But the facts are Amar'e was the only big name player in that free agency class that decided to sign his name with us, and if he hadn't the Knicks would've continued to be the laughingstock that it was over the previous 9 years. The Knicks would've probably continued it's trend of being a losing team, and it might not have been as an attractive option for Melo if we were lottery bound again. Savior is strong, but his signing was the catalyst of a Knick image turnaround from laughingstock to playoff team. There's nothing wrong with admitting that even if his contract and inability to play for significant periods of time has kept us from getting to the next level, his arrival to the New York Knicks was important to this team. We can say this while at the same time admitting that his ACTUAL contribution to this same team has not been anywhere close to being pivotal.

Hopefully this little paragraph isn't confusing

Amare only signed with us because NY was the only team dumb enough to give him 5 years(with no insurance). It's the same reason Melo is still here despite him having the most miserable year of his professional career. Let's not act like he'd still be here if another team that was a contender was able to give him 5 years at the max.

He signed with us because we gave him max money with no insurance, yup @The War Report

We needed to sign a big free agent because we wanted him to be here tho taking a chance on his past injuries and visually it would've set the narrative that NY can't land a player of his caliber on our team, it was a turning point, yup @JMurder

I agree Amare was the catalyst signing but outside of his first year ballin he's been incapable of playing ex. knees oh yea knees and extinguisher
Melo wants the money first but also wants to win. Does Melo believe in

vision, yes. I agree with @The War Report that if the Bulls, Heat or a strong contender had that money, he would've signed. It's up to Zen to lead to the promised land.

 

[I.V.]

I hate when cats say this. Who else was offering him such a lousy ass contract?
You really think we needed Amare to get Free Agents here? Or did we need the resemblance of a stable organization?
Cats act like signing with NY is the equivalent of dragging ppl out to Cleveland.

A couple things that are important to remember.
1) There were a bunch of teams willing to give Amar'e the max.
2) The reason we were in the hunt for him is because the Knicks had just failed to convince ANY of the players above him that New York was the place to be.

We signed Amar'e, he showed out for the first half of the year with the new young core we'd put together through a few drafts, and then Melo wanted out, and they pulled the trigger. Melo wanted to come to New York because the team was finally looking like it was on the upswing. And that was because of Amar'e and his play. It's fun to say "New York ain't like cleveland" - but we damn sure don't have players begging to take less money to come here. It's high taxes and a lot of pressure, to go with a bad owner. Not exactly the recipe for a badass powerpoint presentation to free agents.

If we're going to talk about the past. Use facts. It makes it easier on all of us.

 

[DPresidential]

Why didn't Cleanthony play today?

 

[Mr. Jack Napier]

Why didn't Cleanthony play today?

Minor injury, they said he'll play tomorrow

 

[The War Report]

http://grantland.com/features/carmelo-anthony-new-york-knicks-legacy/

Bill Simmons neatly summarizes Melo's career and puts it in to historical perspective.

 

[Youhadasparkwhenustarted]

http://grantland.com/features/carmelo-anthony-new-york-knicks-legacy/

Bill Simmons neatly summarizes Melo's career and puts it in to historical perspective.

That article was a nice summation of Melo's career. I'd hate to see another great player's career turn into another big "what if" because ( and I know a few fellow Knicks fans here will disagree) the Bulls really were the perfect fit for him, especially with Lebron going to a younger, more inexperienced team now and the East being wide open. Hopefully in 5 years the Knicks make at least 1 title run( it goes without saying, but we'd definitely need a few things to break right for us in order to do that), and hopefully Melo doesn't look back on his career here as time wasted.