Making Melo a lifer and waving at Felton in Rikers: Knicks offseason thread

[Wargames]

Marc and Zach Randolph real close I read before so it's going to be hard for us to pluck him away from Memphis but you never know

I can see Phil making a big move near the trading deadline, especially if the top free-agents are looking all likely so re-sign with their teams

If greg Monroe doesn't extend with detroit I would put going after him over Marc just because of Youth Also Monroe has to be tired of playing PF when its clear he is a center.

in the end the knicks just need a second post option that can pass. They might luck into one in the draft but even then I think they should use the second (and last) Max contract on another big.

 

[Victim of Racism]

no way is bargs better than amar'e. with that weak ass pump fake, please.

amar'e was playing excellent ball to end the season.

He ain't a better shooter (except at the 3pt line when healthy). He's just a better passer (and a more willing passer), which you need in the Triangle, and he's a better defender.

 

[Victim of Racism]

In no fukking way is Bargnani better than Amare. Bargnani is a poorly conditioned, airheaded, questionable effort-giving, non-rebounding big who arguably plays the worst help defense in the league for any front court player. He takes poor shots, makes J.R. type decisions at times, doesn't stretch the floor ( but he plays like he can, and his three point chucking hurts the team) and he's slow as fukk. He had a decent first month last year ( if that) and after that he was just as bad as he was in Toronto, he's pretty much a back up center at this point( he should never play at pf ever again ) and he may not even deserve p.t. over Aldrich at this point. Amare still showed he could be a dominate offensive player on the other hand, his post game became more natural and efficient, better at creating his own shot, way better in pick and rolls because he can pop or roll to the rim with the best of them, and he's still pretty fukking explosive. Also Amare is a better team defender than Bargs, and knowing someone is actually worse than Amare in the aspect of the game fukking blows my mind, and he is better rebounder by a decent margin. Man to man D is Bargs only real advantage to Amare. Really the only question for me can Amare stay healthy, and if he can't, then I'd rather one of the youngins get some extra playing time over Bargnani to help them develop.

Bargs is a better 3pt shooter than Amaré (when healthy). When is STAT a help defender? He's a good rim protector, but that's where it ends. Shump is a horrid help defender, but he gets a pass because of his 1-on-1 defense. Why can't Bargs get the same pass? Especially, when unlike Shump, Barg's 1-on-1 defense didn't slip. Trade rumors are no excuse for that. Bargs ain't poorly conditioned; he blows by guys regularly; his size makes that even more impressive. He doesn't take poor shots. He shot 48.7% from 2pt range, and although his 3 was off, he was smart enough to take only 2.6 per game, most of which (if not all) were wide open. He doesn't shoot many 3's, even when he's healthy. The 3pt chucker you're referring to is J.R. How is Bargs gonna rebound a lot with Tyson clogging the lane while he's on the perimeter? U had Tyson for that. C'mon with Aldrich should take his minutes. Aldrich was the one who was poorly conditioned, and someone mentioned that he is still is when they commented on the 1st Summer League game. When is STAT able to and better than Bargs at creating his own? Bargs can Pop and Roll with the best of them as well. Bargs is a good and willing passer. STAT hates to pass. STAT has bad knees and Bargs has never had a bad (maybe none at all) below-the-waste injury. STAT is no longer explosive. He has no lift and get's like 1 or 2 feet off of the ground and can soar like a few yards. Duncan's dunks are just as loud because they're both big but STAT is no more explosive than Duncan, which is not explosive at all.

 

[Sausageman]

 

[Wargames]

 

[DPresidential]

The biggest smoking gun w/ respect to our offseason moves...

NOBODY CONSISTENTLY COMPLAINING ABOUT CALLS EVERY GAME.

I mean to anyone who's played organized sports...you know what negative energy can do to a team.

Getting rid of CHandler & Felton who argued every call is big. NO more bullshyt floor generals.

Oh and no more of this...

BE an elite point guard and yawn during games brehs...

 

[OsO]

knicks will easily be top 3-4 in the east next year no question .. and out of those top 3-4 teams the knicks can beat any one of them in a 7-game series.

pacers will be there, but they're inconsistent and weak mentally .. and depending on what happens with lance they may not even be a factor.

miami will have a good regular season .. but winning in the playoffs without bron

chicago will be there at the end. a solid core, a solid coach, a great system, they added gasol .. if they have a healthy rose chicago could really be a problem.

i think the sleeper is washington .. nice young core coming back .. added a valuable piece with paul pierce .. they could definitely be a headache come playoff time.

the raps aint ready yet and charlotte could make some noise but they won't sneak up on anybody this year, so let's see how they respond to that added pressure.

cavs will be competitive with the addition of the gawd but we still have to see how that plays out.

shout out to melo tho .. looking forward to the season

 

[Futuristic Eskimo]

Bargs is a better 3pt shooter than Amaré (when healthy). When is STAT a help defender? He's a good rim protector, but that's where it ends. Bargs ain't poorly conditioned. He blows by guys regularly; his size makes that even more impressive. He doesn't take poor shots. He shot 48.7% from 2pt range, and although his 3 was off, he was smart enough to take only 2.6 per game, most of which (if not all) were wide open. He doesn't shoot many 3's, even when he's healthy. The 3pt chucker you're referring to is J.R. How is Bargs gonna rebound a lot with Tyson clogging the lane while he's on the perimeter? U had Tyson for that. C'mon with Aldrich should take his minutes. Aldrich was the one who was poorly conditioned, and someone mentioned that he is still is when they commented on the 1st Summer League game. When is STAT able to and better than Bargs at creating his own? Bargs can Pop and Roll with the best of them as well. Bargs is a good and willing passer. STAT hates to pass. STAT has bad knees and Bargs has never had a bad (maybe none at all) below-the-waste injury.

 

[CASHAPP]

The biggest smoking gun w/ respect to our offseason moves...

NOBODY CONSISTENTLY COMPLAINING ABOUT CALLS EVERY GAME.

I mean to anyone who's played organized sports...you know what negative energy can do to a team.

Getting rid of CHandler & Felton who argued every call is big. NO more bullshyt floor generals.

Oh and no more of this...

BE an elite point guard and yawn during games brehs...

I have a feeling Rondo will be coming here soon....

 

[Wargames]

knicks will easily be top 3-4 in the east next year no question .. and out of those top 3-4 teams the knicks can beat any one of them in a 7-game series.

pacers will be there, but they're inconsistent and weak mentally .. and depending on what happens with lance they may not even be a factor.

miami will have a good regular season .. but winning in the playoffs without bron

chicago will be there at the end. a solid core, a solid coach, a great system, they added gasol .. if they have a healthy rose chicago could really be a problem.

i think the sleeper is washington .. nice young core coming back .. added a valuable piece with paul pierce .. they could definitely be a headache come playoff time.

the raps aint ready yet and charlotte could make some noise but they won't sneak up on anybody this year, so let's see how they respond to that added pressure.

cavs will be competitive with the addition of the gawd but we still have to see how that plays out.

shout out to melp tho .. looking forward to the season

I think the knicks can get into the playoffs but nah we're not a top seed. I expect most this season is going to be based on having the team learn the triangle and thats about it.

Considering the knicks have they 1st round pick (unlike 2016) and the long term plan is to be a contending team starting in 2015. I'm starting to think the knicks focus will be more on implementing their system than getting into the playoffs. If they can get a great rookie next year and a big like Marc Gasol or Monroe (if he is available) I could really see them being a real contender.

I have a feeling Rondo will be coming here soon....

nah his lack of shooting ability and the fact that a lot of plays require bigs to pass the ball to the perimeter/cutter from the post would make his passing ability pointless. Outside of his bad defense Calderon is perfect for the triangle.

 

[Carter G. Hoodson]

Marc and Zach Randolph real close I read before so it's going to be hard for us to pluck him away from Memphis but you never know

I can see Phil making a big move near the trading deadline, especially if the top free-agents are looking all likely so re-sign with their teams

That's what I'm saying, the only free agent in that class that's probably available is Marc, but he'll likely resign with Memphis. Love is going to reup where ever he goes.

Knicks can swing many great deals with the contracts of Stoudemire and Bargnani

 

[Sausageman]

Now that woodson is gone we can build around bargnani the right way and run our offense through him

 

[OsO]

I think the knicks can get into the playoffs but nah we're not a top seed. I expect most this season is going to be based on having the team learn the triangle and thats about it.

 

[Sausageman]

The bargnani statue outside MSG will be so beautiful when he leads us to a title

 

[Wargames]

I like to think its just being realistic. No reason to go to hard, this 2015 re-up has been in the works since the Melo deal (one reason I'm glad Melo stayed). Its just 1 more season and the knicks will be legit contenders. But this year isn't the knicks year.

This year the goal should be getting the team accustomed to the triangle, so when they do get a Max FA they can look to plug him into a system. Secondarily it should be based on getting some of the knicks yutes on their rookie contracts to produce. It shouldn't be based on trying to get wins for a late pick and a second round appearance.

If the knicks can do that I think they are a legit title threat 2015 until the Melo deal goes out.