Marvel Studios’ ‘The Fantastic Four: First Steps’ (7/25)

[Primetime]

Yeah I don't buy the oft used cop out "the fantastic four just doesn't work". No one thought Iron Man would work until it did.

Cap.

Back in 2008, Ironman didn't have 3 failed movies in a 15-year span to give people an opinion of the IP one way or another

Back in 2005, nobody was thinking the F4 couldn't work. However, 15 years later people were saying "stop gassing them up like it's a sure hit (once the rights were reacquired) bc the 3 movies in the past 15 years says whatever comic appeal they may have to neckbeards ain't guaranteed to crossover just bc you slap MCU on it.

 

[Lonj]

Cap.

Back in 2008, Ironman didn't have 3 failed movies in a 15-year span to give people an opinion of the IP one way or another

Back in 2005, nobody was thinking the F4 couldn't work. However, 15 years later people were saying "stop gassing them up like it's a sure hit (once the rights were reacquired) bc the 3 movies in the past 15 years says whatever comic appeal they may have to neckbeards ain't guaranteed to crossover just bc you slap MCU on it.

That's fair but like the other poster said they always change something up in the adaptations. In the Fox ones in the 00's they fukked up Doom Galactus and Silver Surfer. The early MCU movies were almost always 1v1 adaptations.

 

[Diunx]

Anyone else thinks the cast was like...low energy? Like the banter betwen Johnny and Ben feels like a table read or some shyt.

 

[The Devil's Advocate]

Anything can work if the movie is good. We have successful movies about literally everything

The real question is why multiple studios keep greenlighting scripts that aren't any damn good

 

[The Devil's Advocate]

That's fair but like the other poster said they always change something up in the adaptations. In the Fox ones in the 00's they fukked up Doom Galactus and Silver Surfer. The early MCU movies were almost always 1v1 adaptations.

The entire MCU has been changes to the source material. The movies are just shyt

If the next two movies are amazing, nobody is gonna care that they changed up Doom. If they're terrible, it'll be because they changed up Doom

 

[Diunx]

Anything can work if the movie is good. We have successful movies about literally everything

The real question is why multiple studios keep greenlighting scripts that aren't any damn good

Marvel greenlight the movies before they even have a script or even a director, they probably had deadlines since this movie is needed for Doomsday so just went with the draft they considered the best, not necessarily good.

 

[Lonj]

The entire MCU has been changes to the source material. The movies are just shyt

If the next two movies are amazing, nobody is gonna care that they changed up Doom. If they're terrible, it'll be because they changed up Doom

Early on, not so much. Iron Man 1 and First Avenger were near 100% faithful to the comics. Even black Nick Fury, tech celebrity Tony Stark, and Thor's depiction were pulled from the Ultimate Universe. The further they strayed from the comics the wacker everything became. People loved these comics for a reason and it wasn't just nostalgia.

 

[The Devil's Advocate]

Early on, not so much. Iron Man 1 and First Avenger were near 100% faithful to the comics. Even black Nick Fury, tech celebrity Tony Stark, and Thor's depiction were pulled from the Ultimate Universe. The further they strayed from the comics the wacker everything became. People loved these comics for a reason and it wasn't just nostalgia.

You're dead right about that. But that was like 3 movies. By avengers 1, they were doing changes. It's no shade, they HAD to.

But we can't let that be an excuse that F4 failed so many times, through many studios, to tell an amazing story. Source material or not, one franchise shouldn't continuously be bad. The only constants in all these movies are the F4 and bad scripts

 

[Ironman]

Anyone else thinks the cast was like...low energy? Like the banter betwen Johnny and Ben feels like a table read or some shyt.

Too Safe and Johnny specifically was tamed down a ton. Focusing more on his scientific side was great but his character suffered the most. Ben, I don't like how it feels like they're ashamed of Thing always being about that action. He didn't say his iconic phrase until the very last minutes of the movie is wild. The movie just felt really tame and safe. Disney just wanted it to be good enough in box office and in reviews.

 

[Conz]

the build up to "it's clobbering time" was fukkin lame, it didn't pay off, and it was one of a handful of jokes in the entire movie.

 

[Sonny Bonds]

This movie should’ve come out in phase 4.

 

[curz]

One of the most boring MCU movies they’ve made. Can’t think of one single great scene

 

[duncanthetall]

Anything can work if the movie is good. We have successful movies about literally everything

The real question is why multiple studios keep greenlighting scripts that aren't any damn good

They’re speedrunning through their characters and various storylines, whether it makes sense or not. It couldn’t be more obvious that there’s no real game plan.

 

[Roid Jones]

This film really came and went jeez

 

[Primetime]

That's fair but like the other poster said they always change something up in the adaptations. In the Fox ones in the 00's they fukked up Doom Galactus and Silver Surfer. The early MCU movies were almost always 1v1 adaptations.

Early on, not so much. Iron Man 1 and First Avenger were near 100% faithful to the comics. Even black Nick Fury, tech celebrity Tony Stark, and Thor's depiction were pulled from the Ultimate Universe. The further they strayed from the comics the wacker everything became. People loved these comics for a reason and it wasn't just nostalgia.

You're dead right about that. But that was like 3 movies. By avengers 1, they were doing changes. It's no shade, they HAD to.

But we can't let that be an excuse that F4 failed so many times, through many studios, to tell an amazing story. Source material or not, one franchise shouldn't continuously be bad. The only constants in all these movies are the F4 and bad scripts

Yall both made good points. I would say a few things tho,

(1) Nobody (i'm generalizing) liked Thor's faithful adaptation (through two solo movies and two Avenger movies) until the tail end of the Infinity saga when they allowed Hemsworth to ham it up with the humor in the YT skits and then Ragnorak.

(2) Also, while they kept Steve Rogers a relatively faithful adaptation, it wasn't until they landed an emotional cord with audiences with his relationship with Bucky in TWS and juxtaposed Steve with other MCU characters in his movies (Widow, Falcon, Fury... then Tony, Peter, T'Challa), that he took off. Nobody cared about him after First Avenger.

(3) Guardians of the Galaxy... yea lol. Threw adaptation to the bushes and made a bigger hit than any x-men (sans DP) or F4 movie.

My point is, neckbeards don't represent general audiences and catering to them (faithful adaptations) was not why the MCU was successful. It was well-written emotional storytelling ignited by the "innovative" execution and success of Avengers 1 (aka the "payoff" for watching all the other shyt leading up to it).

shyt storytelling killed the MCU brand, point blank. "Faithfulness" itself was bushed before the MCU even peaked, and let's not act like a lot of faithful comic stories aren't dog shyt anyway