Masculinity

[Knuckles Red]

And there you have it. Just as I said.

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[⠝⠕⠏⠑]

I think there are definitions of masculinity and femininity. I think they don't have as strong a correlation to men and women as we want them to have. I also think they are far more fluid than we wish to admit to, and i think we're supposed to utilize both types of energy to be better people.

The problem is people have used these definitions to limit and control people. Also characteristics found in all humans are arbitrarily assigned exclusively to one group and thus people get socially punished for being human by being told they are acting outside of the gender codes.

 

[Neuromancer]

I can't define masculinity, I thought I could once upon a time until those ideas were challenged and I realized that masculinity doesn't have a real definition, something that's observable everytime someone here attempts to define it. The answers are all over the place and are usually qualities that can be attributed to both men and women.

But I think it's safe to say that a father telling his son to "man up" and perform masculinity by concealing his emotions is in fact toxic.

No that's just lazy and since you can't define masculinity you can only call it toxic. Not toxic masculinity.

 

[Neuromancer]

Lying ass. Fake ass Taurus.

....now you're just being mean.

 

[Diondon]

Toxic masculinity doesn't mean "too much" masculinity.

Toxic masculinity is a father telling his son who fell off his bike and hurt himself to "man up" and stop crying.

Toxic masculinity teaches boys to convert pain into anger to be unleashed onto others and due to proximity and other factors, it's usually other Black people on the receiving end of that anger.

SMH

 

[Gravity]

Can you expound on what some of these characteristics are and your use of the word "strong" in the context of your post?

Protect
Provide
Build
Defend
Support
Teach
Love

I mean "strong" as in every context that the word is defined in.

 

[Aphrodite]

I think there are definitions of masculinity and femininity. I think they don't have as strong a correlation to men and women as we want them to have. I also think they are far more fluid than we wish to admit to, and i think we're supposed to utilize both types of energy to be better people.

The problem is people have used these definitions to limit and control people. Also characteristics found in all humans are arbitrarily assigned exclusively to one group and thus people get socially punished for being human by being told they are acting outside of the gender codes.

Ding ding ding.

 

[Neuromancer]

Gold. I've realised that we have to let the dead bury their dead breh.



I haven't. Any good? I'll have a look anyway, though I'm busy with other ones.

Both are books on masculinity . They define it well. What you're subscribing to is Nietzchein masculinity. Correct? Are you a Nietzchein satanist, by chance. This in no way invalidates what you said.

 

[Knuckles Red]

No that's just lazy and since you can't define masculinity you can only call it toxic. Not toxic masculinity.

What I took away from his comment is that he was socialized, like we all are, to believe in a set of standards ascribed to males at birth that later on in life he realized limit the human experience. It is detrimental; the way we are told to deal with our emotions. To suppress certain emotions in an effort to live up to someone else's idea of who and/or what we should be solely because of what is in-between our legs. That is toxic.

 

[Rack4K]

Masculinity: Resource accumulation, being a provider (fatherhood), physical assertiveness, sexual dominance, competition with males.

Femininity: Resource maintenance, being a nurturer (motherhood), physical passiveness, sexual submission, competition with females.

All men and women have some elements of both in them because it's a spectrum, but it isn't offensive to admit that these things exist and can be defined. The problem is, there's a new generation of weak males who want to do away with the traditional definitions because they can't compete. Well, get over it.

 

[Neuromancer]

I think we also may be forgetting that some of the traits we attribute to human males are possed by males of other species too.

 

[Matt504]

Protect
Provide
Build
Defend
Support
Teach
Love

I mean "strong" as in every context that the word is defined in.

Can gay men be masculine?

Are women who exhibit these characteristics masculine?

 

[Neuromancer]

What I took away from his comment is that he was socialized, like we all are, to believe in a set of standards ascribed to males at birth that later on in life he realized limit the human experience. It is detrimental; the way we are told to deal with our emotions. To suppress certain emotions in an effort to live up to someone else's idea of who and/or what we should be solely because of what is in-between our legs. That is toxic.

But it's not masculine. See you two are trying to create a correlation where none exists. You're saying this is toxic masculinity but can't define masculinity. You're missing a part of the equation but trying to make it appear solved.

 

[Neuromancer]

Masculinity: Resource accumulation, being a provider (fatherhood), physical assertiveness, sexual dominance, competition with males.

Femininity: Resource maintenance, being a nurturer (motherhood), physical passiveness, sexual submission, competition with females.

All men and women have some elements of both in them because it's a spectrum, but it isn't offensive to admit that these things exist and can be defined. The problem is, there's a new generation of weak males who want to do away with the traditional definitions because they can't compete. Well, get over it.

Oh brotha. Speak on these, weak males.

 

[Absalom's Thought]

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