Meet your NCAA president, and world's biggest hypocrite, Mark Emmert

[resurrection]

Do you know how many victims of sex abuse don't want to move out of the house that they are abused in or don't wanna see anything happen to their abuser? I think it's safe to say that the wins record was important to Joe Pa. Taking those wins away throws even more dirt (deservedly so) on the legacy that he put over the well being of those kids. Last put not least this punishment was clearly meant as a deterent. If Joe Pa knew shyt like this could happen back in 98 he surely woulda turned on the molester with a quickness. Instead I'm sure he took solace in the fact that it wasn't any of "the NCAAs business" and that they wouldn't "abuse their power" if it ever came out. No way a coach lets some shyt like that ride in the future even if they don't care about the kids.

I do agree that now hopefully everyone handles crisis/scandal correctly because of this scandal as a whole. But the media firestorm and massive hits to PSU since November before the NCAA ever even did shyt should already have taken care of that. The NCAA wants to correct the "football first culture" which Emmert himself is the POSTER BOY for (see links in original post). And spend 5 minutes in Columbus, Tuscaloosa, Auburn, Baton Rouge, etc. and let me know if you think "football first" will ever change without a scandal like this of its own.

If people only doing shyt right JUST to avoid the NCAA doesn't mean they don't put football first. In fact, it just shows those people actually ARE putting football first, if after PSU, they still can't do the right thing for the sake of doing the right thing. Scaring schools with the NCAA is only ACCEPTING the "football first culture" and structuring around it rather than deterring it.

 

[FTBS]

I do agree that now hopefully everyone handles crisis/scandal correctly because of this scandal as a whole. But the media firestorm and massive hits to PSU since November before the NCAA ever even did shyt should already have taken care of that. The NCAA wants to correct the "football first culture" which Emmert himself is the POSTER BOY for (see links in original post). And spend 5 minutes in Columbus, Tuscaloosa, Auburn, Baton Rouge, etc. and let me know if you think "football first" will ever change without a scandal like this of its own.

If people only doing shyt right JUST to avoid the NCAA doesn't mean they don't put football first. In fact, it just shows those people actually ARE putting football first, if after PSU, they still can't do the right thing for the sake of doing the right thing.

Of course they don't wanna get rid of the football first culture. That's how they make their money. He's basically saying "If you let shyt go too far then I'm gonna go too far." IMO it's silly, counter-productive, and self-serving to mince words and obsess over details and motivation when the right thing was done. Who cares why they did it? Who cares if it was in their power to do it? The right thing was done. Now if they start invoking shyt like this because a nikka got some Jordan's for free then yeah there is a problem and the details and process are more egregious than the crime. However in this case the crime is so much bigger than the details/process that it really makes anyone who gets caught up in the details/process look silly and as if they have an ulterior motive.

 

[Hiphoplives4eva]

Yesterday victim no. 4 said he wishes they consulted him and other victims because "he loves Penn State football" and doesn't want to see it gutted

NCAA did not have the victims in mind. Anyone who thinks they did are joking they fukkin self.

fukk the victim for putting football over his anal virginity. Even the victims in Penn State are confused.

 

[resurrection]

Of course they don't wanna get rid of the football first culture. That's how they make their money. He's basically saying "If you let shyt go too far then I'm gonna go too far." IMO it's silly, counter-productive, and self-serving to mince words and obsess over details and motivation when the right thing was done. Who cares why they did it? Who cares if it was in their power to do it? The right thing was done. Now if they start invoking shyt like this because a nikka got some Jordan's for free then yeah there is a problem and the details and process are more egregious than the crime. However in this case the crime is so much bigger than the details/process that it really makes anyone who gets caught up in the details/process look silly and as if they have an ulterior motive.

One can also argue that the courts of criminal law, civil law, and public opinion have destroyed PSU on such a more MEANINGFUL level than the NCAA ever could. And by them getting involved in the matter, it simply trivializes the egregiousness of the crime by not letting an innocent football team play in the Meineke Car Care Bowl the next four years, and looks silly and like an ulterior motive (which I'm much more likely to believe). I mean there are multiple ways to look at it and arguments from either side - it's not cut and dried that it was the "right" thing to do just because it's easy to take the intellectually lazy point of view that "holy shyt this was so bad that anyone who can punish them should". People are out for blood and they gave themselves the power to deliver it. Doesn't necessarily make it "right". There's a reason the IRS doesn't audit murderers.

 

[FTBS]

One can also argue that the courts of criminal law, civil law, and public opinion have destroyed PSU on such a more MEANINGFUL level than the NCAA ever could. And by them getting involved in the matter, it simply trivializes the egregiousness of the crime by not letting an innocent football team play in the Meineke Car Care Bowl the next four years, and looks silly and like an ulterior motive (which I'm much more likely to believe). I mean there are multiple ways to look at it and arguments from either side - it's not cut and dried that it was the "right" thing to do just because it's easy to take the intellectually lazy point of view that "holy shyt this was so bad that anyone who can punish them should". People are out for blood and they gave themselves the power to deliver it. Doesn't necessarily make it "right". There's a reason the IRS doesn't audit murderers.

You can't talk about overstepping bounds and abuse of power on one hand and then say something was trivialized. If it was trivialized nikkas would be at the penalties rather than having nervous breakdowns on national tv about the shyt. Focusing on the the details and the process and how unfair it is the school or the players or the students is trivializing it.

It's not about what arguments one can pull out of their ass for the sake of trying to show off their intellect. It's about fukked up shyt happening and being covered up for the sake of the cash cow. The cash cow has been gutted thereby making the cover up go in vain and leaving the perps with nothing to show for the evil they were involved in. Also (hopefully) future incidents like this have been nipped in the bud. How can one rightfully argue against this? You can't unless of course you have a personal stake in the shyt and are allowing that to override your sense of right and wrong or you just wanna try to show how smart you are.

Murder has nothin to do with the IRS. It does not affect it in way except for removing names from their roll. You tellin me that you don't think one of it's premier programs covering up rampant child sexual abuse affects the NCAA? Horrible analogy man.

 

[Rekkapryde]

They didn't putting football over child abuse. They put money over child abuse. If women's volleyball brought in 50+ million a year, they'd put that over children getting touched every time.

The "if" in this case WAS the football program, so that's what was punished. I see where dude is coming from, but at the same time if there ever was a case of the NCAA needing to "overstep" their bounds, it was this time.

 

[Rekkapryde]

I'm not necessarily disagreeing with Ressurrection in that the NCAA is full of shyt. It's just that this time, I can't really fault them.

 

[Hacksaw Jim Thuggin]

didnt read the whole thread...but i will say this:

paterno's cover up allowed the school to continue recruiting/winning/go to bowl games...in short: to continue profitting

high ranking people in the admin were involved in said cover up...

...the school as a whole should be punished...i dont see whats so hard to understand about this

 

[Rekkapryde]

He's basically saying "If you let shyt go too far then I'm gonna go too far." IMO it's silly, counter-productive, and self-serving to mince words and obsess over details and motivation when the right thing was done. Who cares why they did it? Who cares if it was in their power to do it? The right thing was done. Now if they start invoking shyt like this because a nikka got some Jordan's for free then yeah there is a problem and the details and process are more egregious than the crime. However in this case the crime is so much bigger than the details/process that it really makes anyone who gets caught up in the details/process look silly and as if they have an ulterior motive.

This is pretty much how I feel Res.

shyt, my school lost its ACC championship in football over 300 dollars in sweats that got returned once dude found out the person who gave it to him was hollering at an agent. When the NCAA came to investigate, our AD gave the coach a heads up when he was told not to.

 

[The ADD]

This is pretty much how I feel Res.

shyt, my school lost its ACC championship in football over 300 dollars in sweats that got returned once dude found out the person who gave it to him was hollering at an agent. When the NCAA came to investigate, our AD gave the coach a heads up when he was told not to.

Good ole D-Rad

 

[FTBS]

didnt read the whole thread...but i will say this:

paterno's cover up allowed the school to continue recruiting/winning/go to bowl games...in short: to continue profitting

high ranking people in the admin were involved in said cover up...

...the school as a whole should be punished...i dont see whats so hard to understand about this

It's not hard to understand...people are either refusing to acknowledge it because it hits to close to home or just trying to show how smart they are by dissenting from the popular sentiment.

 

[Rekkapryde]

didnt read the whole thread...but i will say this:

paterno's cover up allowed the school to continue recruiting/winning/go to bowl games...in short: to continue profitting

high ranking people in the admin were involved in said cover up...

...the school as a whole should be punished...i dont see whats so hard to understand about this

Res's point is the NCAA overstepped their bounds and are hypocrites. Fair enough. But the hijinx at other schools with paying players, etc. doesn't even compare to PSU's sitation IMO

 

[phillycavsfan]

didnt read the whole thread...but i will say this:

paterno's cover up allowed the school to continue recruiting/winning/go to bowl games...in short: to continue profitting

high ranking people in the admin were involved in said cover up...

...the school as a whole should be punished...i dont see whats so hard to understand about this

Then you punish Paterno and the administration that covered up the scandal. No one's saying they don't deserve to get locked up.

Punishing the whole school with bowl bans and schollie reduction achieves nothing. Fine them for those profits and let that be that. Anything else is just extra.

 

[mr. smoke weed]

I can't say I agree with all of the punishment but the court issue doesn't solve the level of corruption with the athletic department that allowed this to happen. That had to be dealt with in some form and a simple fine wasn't enough IMO.

yes neither was a loss of a few schollys either
ressurection what do you think the ncaa should have done?

 

[resurrection]

I already said what I thought they should have done