Biscayne
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Well, Melo should've been a better father..JR himself said that the reason he didn't excel in NY was because of JR
And yet somehow...somehow nikkas still find a way to blame Melo????
Melo gettin that late night Twitter roasting
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However you want to label it, the narrative is that Lebron got these guys playing at a higher level than they did with Melo which while I agree with it somewhat, isn't that cut and dry. The fact is they weren't enough help for the Knicks. When JR goes from doing everything that won him the 6MOY to completely regressing and going back to step back jumpers and bricking ill advised shots seemingly overnight how is that on Melo? When Shump at that point was still completely inconsistent with his shot, how is that Melo's fault? And the two of them were pretty much our 2nd and 3rd options on that 50 win squad. The fact that everyone was clowning when the trade happened just proves my point that no one saw JR and Shump as these "key pieces"
JR is a really streaky player, and right now I think him being on one of his hot streaks is the biggest factor tbh. Maybe I'm wrong, but I want to see how many are talking about them playing key roles if JR has a few 4-13 or 5-16 games, or if Shump has another stinker like last night while getting washed by Klay or Steph.
Same back at you. You refused to give Melo credit for what he did with JR in Denver(in what you admitted was the tougher conference) buuuut credit LBJ for making JR a good player in the East. I'm not calling out Melo or LBJ. JR gonna play how he gonna play.
When did that happen strawman? The fact that you are being hypocritical and selective with your shyt doesn't automatically mean I am doing the same.
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...on the otherside of the pond
Pierce, English and Worthy have seasons where they averaged more than 4apgDoc did it in the ABA as well, the rest of the dudes you named are one way players that didn't win shyt and of them only Gervin was maybe viewed as a star and realistically he played the 2 in the NBA. I would cut Melo some slack if he were a good-great defender, but all he can do is score and nothing else, and you copping pleas for him? He's supposed to be a superstar, his usage rate is absolutely ridiculous for how few assists he gets.
You're trying to paint it out as passing is some unique skill to just the all-time great SFs, nah fam, sorry but Melo ain't getting off that easy. With how much he has the ball he should be getting assists by sheer accident, but apparently setting up your teammates is only something the greatest SFs do? Please explain Hedo Turkoglu, Grant Hill, Gordon Hayward, Paul Pressey, Stephen Jackson, Tracy McGrady (Houston), Jamal Mashburn, Chris Mullin and Nicolas Batum averaging 5 or more apg in a season from the 3 spot. I mean, you got goddamn power forwards like Blake Griffin (THIS YEAR) and Antoine Walker who are better passers than this dude and yet again neither have the ball nearly as much as him.
He's a one dimensional player, enough with the excuses for his game, there's no reason he shouldn't be able to get 5apg when plenty of other players who have had the ball much much much less than him can do it.
Worthy 3.1 apg
Pierce 3.7 apg
Eriving 4.2 apg
Melo 3.1 apg
And you're running to "one season" of 4 apg?
Grant Hill was a classic Point Froward. Same with Mullin and Mash. McGrady was a SG. Why would I compare them to Melo? Also, those other players you mentioned (Hedo, Hayward) are good at what they do as role players but aren't great at any particular thing compared to Melo being a great scorer.
I don't get this looking for a facilitator out of a position with a history of dominant scorers.
Damn you guys got me looking at stats. I cant believe marshmellow has never averaged 4 ast per game in a season
even durant surpassed that his last three years.
Forget 4apg for a second, this is how bad of a passer he is, of the top 10 usage rates in league history by wing players, he's the only one never to average 6apg
He's so far behind everyone else in passing it's a joke. The other guys are Jordan, Kobe, Iverson and Wade every last one of them has averaged 7apg or more with a similar rate as him.Biscayne
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Why even ask? You KNOW what that narrative will be. www.LeBronneedsmorehelp.org <---Send your donations here
Nothing is that cut and dry however people only have an issue with it when it goes against someone they like. I don't know you, you may indeed be one of the few consistent cats on here
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Forget 4apg for a second, this is how bad of a passer he is, of the top 10 usage rates in league history by wing players, he's the only one never to average 6apg
Worthy 3.1 apg
Pierce 3.7 apg
Eriving 4.2 apg
Melo 3.1 apg
And you're running to "one season" of 4 apg?
Yes, I'm "running" with one season because he can't even do it once, you're taking career stats from guys whose career numbers went down vs Melo who is still in his prime. He can't reach their high water mark apg seasons during his prime
How about you address the usage rate issue? He's an all-time level ball dominant player, yet he's one of the biggest outliers of the bunch.McGrady played the 3 in Houston, Stephen Jackson was a 3, Mullin and Mash were 3s, stop adding on the arbitrary "point forward" term, they all played the same position as Carmelo PERIOD. The position has a history of all types of players, not just dominant scorers, and even if it were just that he's still one of the worst passers the position has seen, and then you add in the fact he sucks on defense and it's laughable the amount of excuses he gets.
Blake Griffin from the 4 is a better passer than Melo
Antoine fukking Walker was a better passer than Melo
Breh, did you watch any Knicks games that year? JR regressed back to chicken strut JR since the Celtics series. Shump seemed like he made no real progress from the season before. His shot was still as inconsistent as ever and his defense wasn't much better. Stat was on a minutes limit. Chandler wasn't the same since he got his soul taken by Hibbert in the Pacers series. Ray FeltonYou do realize that he had Shump and JR along with Tyson Chandler last year and didn't make the playoffs right? Lemme guess a Tristan Thompson level player was the difference right?I'm sure you were extolling the virtues of all these players prior to the playoffs right? You were saying that if Love goes down and Kyrie gets hurt the Cavs will be just fine right?
. All of top of them quitting on Woodson.
So is Joakim from the center spotBlake Griffin from the 4 is a better passer than Melo
Antoine fukking Walker was a better passer than Melo
That stat is very damning
damn just checked, blake griffin averages more assist than melo every season 
no wonder that fat fukk aint winning shyt
no wonder that fat fukk aint winning shyt
People acting surprised and shocked that the Knicks aren't good, Melo is one of the biggest black holes the NBA has ever seen.
5th highest usage rate in NBA history for his career, behind Mike, AI, Kobe and Wade....all of them being superior passers. If you gonna have the ball that fukking much you better be averaging more than 4apg at least once in your career, and then they wonder why the Knicks suck. It's virtually impossible to build around a player like that.
