Meltzer empties the clip on smarks chanting "YOU DESERVE IT"

[El Cocodrilo]

"You deserve it" doesn't bother me


"This is awesome" gets on my nerves more and more each time I hear it in 2017 though

 

[mrken12]

I notice that none of the aforementioned wrasslin 'analysts' had this much vitriol about Phoenix chanting 'lets go Ziggler' when he was beating the shyt out of Crews.

One of the worst crowd reactions I've heard in a while. Maybe ever.

 

[qnsfinest]

Is naomi actually good in the ring? Haven't seen any matches of hers.

Is the coli in her corner saying she deserves it because she got a fatty and is black or is she actually that good in the ring and she actually deserves it?

 

[Rell84shots]

I think its missing the point. Noami having the belt doesnt mean shyt, the belt means nothing and the title isnt over. Shes probably gonna just be a transitional champ anyway

And Bray getting it was the most obvious demotion of a belt. If Cena holds it its higher on the card at Mania. Bray vs Orton is a midcard match. Its really not that serious. They didnt really get anything of value for their careers.

You are just flat out wrong. The most obvious demotion of a title was Great Khali winning the world title, and Bray & Naomi have busted their asses for those belts. The SD women's title has actually meant more than the RAW title since they actually put a storyline behind it, Cena held the belt for 2 weeks just to get closer to Flair's title which completely shyt on AJ's entire run.

 

[Green Ranger]

He brought it up because of the Bray segment, and the fact that they did the chant twice in the span of 2 days. Y'all trying to act like he zeroed in on Naomi.

He's exactly right, why does she or Bray "deserve" a fake title more than anyone else. cats getting hot about this are probably the same nerds who chant it at shows

Word he even brought up the fact that does Bray deserve it more then AJ and he said fukk no
That the chant is stupid and it's kinda like the whole participation trophy society we have now
He even said if your around long enough in this day an age you pretty much will get your turn and brought up like Swagger & Dloph

 

[Green Ranger]

I mentioned how Vince books the titles as participation awards.

But it's gonna get to the point where every wrestler that gets a new title run will get the chant so at the point it's gonna seem like everybody "deserves it" which discredits the point of being a champion.

The thing fans chant You deserve it or Holy Shyt or This Is Awesome so much nowadays that they have completely waters down every little high spot or dive or table spot gets that response now. So when real big shyt that should get that response does it doesn't mean as much.

 

[Hoss]

You lame ass dudes are quick to pull that dumb ass contrarian "mark" shyt when they can't formulate an answer to a discussion.

 

[Buggsy Mogues]

I absolutely did not state that losing was the sole reason it wasn't an opportunity. You failed to read/fully comprehend the entire statement or the point I was making.

But please tell me, in my so called markdom, what "opportunity" did he miss or what didn't he do with those two feuds in particular that would change anything about how he was seen in the near or long term future after those matches?

Stop it.. your very first reply in this thread was you complaining that they weren't good opportunities because he lost (http://www.thecoli.com/posts/23344039/) so miss me with this long ass post to try to explain what you really "meant to say"



As for your last question, only Vince can answer that, but whats clear to my eyes were the feuds and matches were forgettable trash. Bray is mediocre in the ring, overrated on the mic. He's not much better now than he was then.

 

[Golayitdown]

Stop it.. your very first reply in this thread was you complaining that they weren't good opportunities because he lost (http://www.thecoli.com/posts/23344039/) so miss me with this long ass post to try to explain what you really "meant to say"



As for your last question, only Vince can answer that, but whats clear to my eyes were the feuds and matches were forgettable trash. Bray is mediocre in the ring, overrated on the mic. He's not much better now than he was then.

There was never a "meant to say". The very last sentence of that post that you're referencing ("Unless you're going over, those two are two of the worst HOFers to face for that "elevated just for being in the ring with them" rub.") was everything that needed to be said.

You either didn't fully read the post or you didn't comprehend what I was saying. I elaborated on it much further to catch you up but it's obvious you aren't interested in contributing anything to the discussion on that topic. It's fine breh.


As for your last point, you're making a much better case for why those matches weren't some opportunity for him. Especially since the build is all Vince and the matches with those two opponents weren't ever going to overachieve and be great.

 

[Buggsy Mogues]

There was never a "meant to say". The very last sentence of that post ("Unless you're going over, those two are two of the worst HOFers to face for that "elevated just for being in the ring with them" rub.") was everything that needed to be said.

You either didn't fully read the post or you didn't comprehend what I was saying. Either way it's obvious you weren't to contributing anything to the discussion. It's fine breh.

You really on some major double talk shyt right now bro Since you care so much about dudes losing, why would you put Bray over either of those guys? He wasnt that good in the ring and wasn't that over.

 

[Golayitdown]

You really on some major double talk shyt right now bro Since you care so much about dudes losing, why would you put Bray over either of those guys? He wasnt that good in the ring and wasn't that over.

Nah you're on some strawman shyt. The original discussion was ONLY about the presence of an opportunity for Bray those two matches.

You jumped in and took it in a completely different direction and now you're trying to get me to argue wins/losses when I'm talking about these opportunities you and the other guy were going on about.

 

[Buggsy Mogues]

Nah you're on some strawman shyt. The original discussion was ONLY about the presence of an opportunity for Bray those two matches.

You jumped in and took it in a completely different direction and now you're trying to get me to argue wins/losses when I'm talking about these opportunities you and the other guy were going on about.

So you started off this post talking about how it wasn't a good opportunity because he lost, but now you don't want to talk about why he shouldn't have lost?

The match is an opportunity, the spot is an opportunity, it's what you do with it that determine what happens next. Bray didn't do shyt and hasn't really done shyt with any of the big spots he's gotten, besides Daniel Bryan dragging him to a classic segment.

 

[Golayitdown]

So you started off this post talking about how it wasn't a good opportunity because he lost, but now you don't want to talk about why he shouldn't have lost?

The match is an opportunity, the spot is an opportunity, it's what you do with it that determine what happens next. Bray didn't do shyt and hasn't really done shyt with any of the big spots he's gotten, besides Daniel Bryan dragging him to a classic segment.

Never said he should have won. My post that you didn't want to discuss had my reasoning for thinking someone can be elevated in a loss.

The question that I've posed from the very beginning is WHAT COULD OR SHOULD HE HAVE DONE WITH THE SPOTS IN THOSE TWO MATCHES THAT WOULD QUALIFY AS CAPITALIZING ON THESE "OPPORTUNITIES" FOR YOU GUYS?

It's already been established that the builds weren't good (on the company) and the matches weren't going to be spectacular (obvious beforehand from the match participants), so what could he have done "next" (as you say) with those big spots when absolutely nobody expected anything from the matches (good or bad) anyway?

If you don't get or understand what I'm talking about, it's completely fine for us to bow out of this back and forth right now.

 

[Buggsy Mogues]

It's already been established that the builds weren't good (on the company) and the matches weren't going to be spectacular (obvious beforehand from the match participants), so what could he have done "next" (as you say) with those big spots when absolutely nobody expected anything from the matches (good or bad) anyway?

NOTHING... that's why he doesn't "deserve it"... he's not that great on the mic, not good enough in the ring to carry a match on his own, and wasn't connecting with the crowd on a level that would merit putting him over any sort of legend. Those are the three tentpoles of how to be a successful pro wrestler and if you can't even do one of them at an elite level, why should you be the champion. Those two feuds were his chance to prove that.

 

[Golayitdown]

NOTHING... that's why he doesn't "deserve it"... he's not that great on the mic, not good enough in the ring to carry a match on his own, and wasn't connecting with the crowd on a level that would merit putting him over any sort of legend. Those are the three tentpoles of how to be a successful pro wrestler and if you can't even do one of them at an elite level, why should you be the champion. Those two feuds were his chance to prove that.

So if there was nothing he could have done during and after the matches/feuds and he did just that (nothing) during and after those matches/feuds, how are those matches/feuds seen as opportunities that he didn't capatilaize on? If he was in a position to do nothing and did nothing, I just don't see that being an opportunity.