Michael Jordan's Bulls and the watered down 90's (Bird, Dj J ,Magic give thoughts)

[Perfectson]

I'm the oldest dude on this site.

Karl Malone came to my HS in the 80s, and it helped create the movie Sunset Park.

You didn't deconstruct my point. Malone and Stockton had their best years in the late 80s yet could only sniff a finals appearance TWICE in the 90s when league play fell off.

you're old and senile. I guess players are better young then when they are seasoned and in their prime right?

 

[Dak Pickscott]

Kobe stans did this years ago, started discrediting jordan and his era started propping up/overrating up pippen while diminishing shaq & gasol.

Now lebron stans are doing the same some groupie told me bosh wasn't shyt the other day,in reality he really was turned into a role player by lebron which is why bosh scoring average went up 5 ppg after lebron left.They also ignoring lebron since 2010 stay on stacked squads,with better sidekicks and talent than jordan ever had and still can't win as much.

lol @ nobody dapping this post cuz its facts

so many lebron stans now. wasnt this many lebron stans in 2011 on sohh

 

[NYC Rebel]

Magic
89 to 90:18-64 record
90 to 91: 31-51 record
91 to 92: 21-61 record

Then came Shaq

Miami Heat
88 to 90: 15-67 record
89 to 90: 18-64 record
90 to 91: 24-58 record
91 to 92: 38-44 record
92 to 93: 36-46 record

Hornets
88 to 90: 20-62 record (the great Kelly Tripuka )
89 to 90: 19-63 record
90 to 91: 26-56 record
91 to 92: 31-51 record

Then came LJ


And don't let me even bring up their rosters of has beens.

This, along with free agency, pretty much disrupted the league. It was no longer consistent compared to the 80s.

You're a mad man thinking the 90s was as good as the 80s.

 

[Perfectson]

If you watch Jordan's 63 point game this is what Jordan was doing to Bird and Frankenstein cac McHale on switches with no zones straight M2M defense.

And nikkas claim LeBron wouldn't be as good back then

you're comparing Kelly Olynyk to 8 time allstar and champion Kevin McHale - damn you're so disrespectful

 

[NYC Rebel]

you're old and senile. I guess players are better young then when they are seasoned and in their prime right?

Is this a response to my point about the 80s west you crapped on as week?

REALLY? going ad hominem is your response?

How old were you back then? You gonna internet research your way through this debate and insult me?

 

[Perfectson]

Magic
89 to 90:18-64 record
90 to 91: 31-51 record
91 to 92: 21-61 record

Then came Shaq

Miami Heat
88 to 90: 15-67 record
89 to 90: 18-64 record
90 to 91: 24-58 record
91 to 92: 38-44 record
92 to 93: 36-46 record

Hornets
88 to 90: 20-62 record (the great Kelly Tripuka )
89 to 90: 19-63 record
90 to 91: 26-56 record
91 to 92: 31-51 record

Then came LJ


And don't let me even bring up their rosters of has beens.

actually 91 to 92 is when LJ was already on the team..just saying

then they got alonzo the next year, because LJ allowed them to get another lottery pick.

they improved their record and then didn't make the playoffs the following year (mostly due to injuries to LJ and Zo)

LOL@then came Shaq - that's a generational player and no one disagrees that the 90s centers were some of the all time best, rivaling those of the 80s (especially since most of the good ones in the 80's were hitting their primes in the 90s)

 

[Perfectson]

Is this a response to my point about the 80s west you crapped on as week?

REALLY? going ad hominem is your response?

How old were you back then? You gonna internet research your way through this debate and insult me?

is this your way of having an adult conversation now? Be a man and take your chiding, you act like we are having an Oxford debate. shall we parry now?

you're trolling and it's obvious, i can probably search your nameand find you talking up the 90's era within the past year. I can't rebuttal your point because its nonsense. It's like you're telling me 1 + 1 = 3 and telling me to prove you wrong. There's just known facts and common denominators most people understand and agree on.

 

[Malta]

I can't believe you let this idiot @NYC Rebel off without checking him on Tripuka - lol@ old man legs. The guy was 29 and had just came from playing on a good Jazz team with Karl Malone - and the coach basically ran him out of town (cuz he had a bad attitude) He was previously a 26ppg scorer, a top 50 pistons player.
Again showing @NYC Rebel doesn't know basketball - but regardless...

Breh, let's keep it real, no way a 6'6" 200lbs white American is putting up 23ppg in todays NBA like Kelly did when he was 29. I know the obvious pull would be to mention Gordon Hayward but he's 6'8 230lbs and a better athlete than Kelly ever was and there are times when even he struggles with some of the defenders today.

 

[NYC Rebel]

actually 91 to 92 is when LJ was already on the team..just saying

then they got alonzo the next year, because LJ allowed them to get another lottery pick.

they improved their record and then didn't make the playoffs the following year (mostly due to injuries to LJ and Zo)

LOL@then came Shaq - that's a generational player and no one disagrees that the 90s centers were some of the all time best, rivaling those of the 80s (especially since most of the good ones in the 80's were hitting their primes in the 90s)

Shaq OBVIOUSLY being generational talent is you teaching me something?

And this started again in the mid 90s when they added the Grizzlies and Raptors.

You reciting captain obvious history of who is who (as I did) doesn't change the fact that expansion LOWERED the quality of play in the league compared to the 80s. It created roster spots for players who otherwise would have been OUT OF THE LEAGUE. Exactly what is FALSE about that?

Also, hyper free agency took hold of the league, so there wasn't as much consistency where good players could stay together like they did in the 80s.

I simply don't get how your wanna be "gotcha" posts alters these facts proving that league play went down in the 90s/.

and the difference between me and you is that you READ about it....I actually SAW it. All you can do is youtube and stat read your way to this.

Kelly Tripuka being something special in 88'.

 

[KOBE]

but but but but but but this era watered down...............

too predictable.....................

back then handchecking.....................

The difference is there's way too many blowouts these days to the way the 3 ball has evolved. One team gets hot, the other gets cold, and suddenly you got a massive 15+ point lead.

 

[ISO]

you're comparing Kelly Olynyk to 8 time allstar and champion Kevin McHale - damn you're so disrespectful

Obviously McHale is the better player.

But you looking too deep. I'm not comparing them. I'm saying McHale is getting cooked by LeBron just like Olynyk on an island. Posters claim LeBron wouldn't be as good then.

Olynyk is 7 foot 238 lb. he's bigger, faster, stronger than McHale in the 80's. McHale was 6'10 210-225 lb. Olynyk was a tri sport athlete coming up and a PG at one point. LeBron absolutely dusted him just like Jordan dusted McHale and Bird in his famous 63 point game.

You got posters on here that would say "bu bu McHale would clothesline LeBron"

The point is slow-footed white American players which made up a much bigger population of the game would not be able to defend LeBron, period. LeBron in an era with no zone defenses and lax transition defense would not struggle at all. To suggest a generational talent would struggle because of "physicality" is ridiculous.

 

[NYC Rebel]

Obviously McHale is the better player.

But you looking too deep. I'm not comparing them. I'm saying McHale is getting cooked by LeBron just like Olynyk on an island. Posters claim LeBron wouldn't be as good then.

Olynyk is 7 foot 238 lb. he's bigger, faster, stronger than McHale in the 80's, he was a tri sport athlete coming up and a PG at one point. LeBron absolutely dusted him just like Jordan dusted McHale and Bird in his famous 63 point game.

You got posters on here that would say "bu bu McHale would clothesline LeBron"

The point is slow-footed white American players which made up a much bigger population of the game would not be able to defend LeBron, period. LeBron in an era with no zone defenses and lax transition defense would not struggle at all. To suggest a generational talent would struggle because of "physicality" is ridiculous.

Preach

And that's the funny thing about these "wasn't there to see it" posters. Dudes see a youtube clip and run with it when McHale wasn't even that type of player.

 

[Perfectson]

Obviously McHale is the better player.

But you looking too deep. I'm not comparing them. I'm saying McHale is getting cooked by LeBron just like Olynyk on an island. Posters claim LeBron wouldn't be as good then.

Olynyk is 7 foot 238 lb. he's bigger, faster, stronger than McHale in the 80's. McHale was 6'10 210-225 lb. Olynyk was a tri sport athlete coming up and a PG at one point. LeBron absolutely dusted him just like Jordan dusted McHale and Bird in his famous 63 point game.

You got posters on here that would say "bu bu McHale would clothesline LeBron"

The point is slow-footed white American players which made up a much bigger population of the game would not be able to defend LeBron, period. LeBron in an era with no zone defenses and lax transition defense would not struggle at all. To suggest a generational talent would struggle because of "physicality" is ridiculous.

You're absolutely right that Lebron would run right by McHale. I just found it disrespectful for you to even have the two in the same breath. McHale was a way better rim protector - Kelly is a rugby player with a jumper.

 

[Perfectson]

Shaq OBVIOUSLY being generational talent is you teaching me something?

And this started again in the mid 90s when they added the Grizzlies and Raptors.

You reciting captain obvious history of who is who (as I did) doesn't change the fact that expansion LOWERED the quality of play in the league compared to the 80s. It created roster spots for players who otherwise would have been OUT OF THE LEAGUE. Exactly what is FALSE about that?

Also, hyper free agency took hold of the league, so there wasn't as much consistency where good players could stay together like they did in the 80s.

I simply don't get how your wanna be "gotcha" posts alters these facts proving that league play went down in the 90s/.

and the difference between me and you is that you READ about it....I actually SAW it. All you can do is youtube and stat read your way to this.

Kelly Tripuka being something special in 88'.

You pointing out expansion teams as if that is some sort of evidence.

I think everyone who understand what an expansion team is will tell you the makeup of them for the first several years. A bunch of middling NBA players, a couple of high draft picks, and 1 or 2 borderline fringe allstar types (usually aging or injured).

Tripuka was a 2 time allstar and help lead the pistons to their first playoff berth in a decade with I.T. - you said 2 posts ago how good the 80s were , but then turned around a crap on Tripukea who you inadvertantly put up as the face of the 90's expansion era without actually knowing any of the history of the player.

Now you're trying to walk it back by having some sort of battle with me over it, as if you haven't lost already. Take your L breh - Tripuka wasn't on his way out of the league and you pointing out expansion teams as the reason the NBA in the 90s were as good as the 80s is asinine.

I'm pretty sure you mentioned the Mavs a few posts ago but didn't mention othey were an expansion team in 1980. The addition of 4 expansion teams doesn't all of a sudden change the talent in the NBA , since most of those team ended up with middling guys and by that time the late 70s and 80s' golden eras paved the way for younger and better players as the game proliferated throughout the states.

Again you just don't know basketball and you argue in circles and troll just to get a rise. This is what happens when you're an old ass nigerian c00n

 

[Perfectson]

Preach

And that's the funny thing about these "wasn't there to see it" posters. Dudes see a youtube clip and run with it when McHale wasn't even that type of player.

quote me on what I said about McHale and tell me how that fits with anything you just said. You're out here like the headless horseman , just rolling around mad, chasing and harassing posters, cuz you got a pumpkin for a face.