Modern Rites of Passage for boys

[LauderdaleBoss]

Dope thread

Growing up, we looked at certain shyt as rites of passage that you kinda had to go through or least attempt in order to become a "man" or "real nikka". Some of the shyt was corny thinking back, but some shyt made sense. Most of this shyt really happened to you between 13-18 tho and lowkey kinda molded you depending on your success with it.

1. Win a one on one fade/squabble/fight etc...
2. Win a best 2 outta 3 series with your nikkas playing full court basketball against another group.
3. Sell some type of fundraising shyt or prove that you can hustle something legit.
4. Bag a chick at the mall or out in public
5. Help/change a flat tire or some auto repair shyt
6. Hold your own when multiple nikkas try to roast you.
7. Learn how to cook at least one fly ass meal.
8. Get straight A's at least once.
9. Drop at least one dope freestyle during lunch that everybody fukks with.
10. Get some p*ssy


Of course there's more and they differ cuz everyone's era was different. Can't front on how much different should would be if you actually had successful mentors coming up with these unwritten lists and not random older nikkas in your neighbor hood and your peers.

 

[Neuromancer]

I wonder if Tom Curry or T. Hasan Johnson has weighed in on this?

The intellectual wing of the Black Manosphere, to my tastes, spends WAY TOO MUCH TIME talking about Feminism, Black Feminists, and the victimization of Black Men.

I think that's because a lot of the time they're being attacked or told their research is anti woman.

 

[the elastic]

Black girls are outperforming Black boys as well, even programs designed to target minority youth have virtually zero effect on Black boys while the girls have great outcomes.

Your argument against red shirting Black boys doesn't really pass the smell test, if Black boys are viewed as older, their actual ages don't really matter to the people viewing them as older. Red shirting is meant to address the developmental differences between girls and boys and the idea is to start boys a year after girls of the same age. The book also covers how the lack of male teachers is also something that needs to be addressed because Black students tend to have better outcomes when their teachers are also Black.

Rare L Take

What are the boys supposed to do during that year they aren't in school? And what happens when they notice that their girl cousins and friends are starting before them? Sounds potentially devastating to their confidence.

 

[Ol’Otis]

Boy scouts don't exist anymore do they?

I think membership was at an all time low
I think

And plus a whole lot of activity has been coming to light

 

[Iceson Beckford]

These are basic skillsets that a young man can take to basically every aspect of his life

Its about character.

You keep bringing up "culture" right, this is a foundation to building the right culture.


Unless you think Culture is some sort of genetic distinction, then you a eugenicist

The fact this has to be explained...

We might be cooked

 

[Matt504]

Rare L Take

What are the boys supposed to do during that year they aren't in school? And what happens when they notice that their girl cousins and friends are starting before them? Sounds potentially devastating to their confidence.

They'd do an extended pre-k, and the upside is a reduced risk at repeating a grade which we know is devastating to students that are held back.

The point is to address developmemtal differences between girls and boys, to give boys a better shot at having better outcomes, we can find ways to help boys understand this as opposed to sending them to school before they're ready.

 

[Neuromancer]

Black girls are outperforming Black boys as well, even programs designed to target minority youth have virtually zero effect on Black boys while the girls have great outcomes

Why do you think this is?

Why are black boys so dis interested in these programs?

 

[breakfuss]

The funny thing is Coli is so anti-BGLO/NPHC but we out here doing a lot of the things mentioned in the thread . My undergrad chapter specifically worked with a group of black boys in high school all year. Not only that, even a lot brothers who make it to college don’t know to do things like tie a tie, form strong study habits, properly lift weights/condition, resolve conflict without throwing hands etc. The historically black frats teach a lot of these invaluable skills. It’s not just about partying and hazing but so many people just want to shyt on it.

STILL - nothing replaces a father in the home.. If we aren’t addressing that then none of this matters.

 

[WIA20XX]

I've read The Man Not, I have a physical copy on hand, (the author references it in this book), again, you're misunderstanding the point of redshirting which is to address the developmental differences between boys and girls.

A lot of BLACK BOYS do not have actual developmental differences, they have perceived development differences.
If the teachers WEREN'T RACIST, they would not be sending Rakim n'nem to get an IEP.

New studies challenge the claim that black students are sent to special ed too much

Two new quantitative studies find disproportionality in special education due to black, and Hispanic, students under-identified for disabilities at school

hechingerreport.org

Black Children at White Schools Are More Likely to Be Told They Have a Learning Disability

Disability classifications in the U.S. are subjective and inconsistent, and prone to bias based on context.

www.vice.com

Confronting special education’s race problem

umdearborn.edu

This not new, nor is it news.

As Granny would say, "There's nothing wrong with the boy".

I can only take that pushing a topic about Black Boys and Rites of Passage into Black Manhood as an at attempt to derail the conversation, and push that white dude's agenda.

The paper you cite does not squarely address the mountain of evidence that's out there.
The fact that some "diverse" kids did well a year later, doesn't even attempt to address racism INHERENT in teaching Black Children, in particular Black Boys.

It in effect says that parents should keep their black boys at home a year long to combat effects of known racism.

That's not an argument you should be making, imo.

 

[Neuromancer]

In other cultures, a boy is trained by his father, male kin and other men in his group to survive on the land. So when it comes time for his rite of passage, he is sent/left far away from the village, and has to survive.

• Build a shelter
• Find water
• Gather food
• Hunt and Trap
• Protect himself from animals and the elements

If/When he comes home, he's ready to do what needs to be done. He's proven it to himself, and to others. He has the skills. And he has the determination to see things through.

How does that translate to an urban society, to the Black Man in America?

That's where I would start.

I feel like self defense should be in there. Unfortunately a lot of these skills aren't sought out or learned because we live in a luxury society.

 

[mattw1313]

yall talking about building campfires and shyt but that's not what we're missing.

Most cultures have some ceremony or significant cultural act you do when you're old enough, in front of the community, that marks your transition into manhood and a chance to earn respect from the men of your community, who you would have grown up having respect for.

A camping trip can't make up for that.

Men don't run our community in any sort of cohesive sense. If we don't fix that, there's nothing to pass into.




(Which is why yall may love to talk shyt, but being an Israelite ain't just being 'power rangers on the corner on saturdays', it means a community of strong black men and strong culture for our sons to look up to, respect, and pass into as they grow up. that's the thing slavery stripped away that we never got back)

 

[Neuromancer]

For me I'm currently:

Enrolled in a martial art
Starting to learn how to cook basics
Taking up more responsibilities within my household
Would be good to learn how to do DIY basics but no idea where to start

Any more ideas are appreciated, will put some into practice and let you know the progress @Matt504

What about trying to plant veggies or fruits?

And trying to build a bird house or a plant box?

 

[WIA20XX]

I feel like self defense should be in there. Unfortunately a lot of these skills aren't sought out or learned because we live in a luxury society.

Think about your own city, the one you came up in.

What did you need to know as a man?
Design something around it.

I split my time between The East Coast and the South, and so the environment plays a part into expectations.

In Houston, a milestone was getting your driver's permit, then license, then car. I distinctly remember the first time I got on the freeway by myself.
NYC, it was taking the train by yourself. There was no handholding when I had to go grab something from fam in Manhattan.

If it came to violence, both spots had pistols. But in TX you ran into shotguns and rifles, and often not being held by someone your age and color, but by someone old, white, and sometimes a Fed. It's like you can reason with a 15 year old knucklehead, but not a 45 year old man, crushed bud light cans in teh background.

You might not have knocked doors in BK trying to mow some lawns.
You would in Houston. And that invites a danger that I didn't encounter in Flatbush.

The Masaai had one set of rituals, and the Somba people had something else.

The rites were shaped by their environments, their histories, and their beliefs.

That said, I don't get the sense TLR even really cares about this topic at all. I'm just rapping into the ether.

 

[Iceson Beckford]

What about trying to plant veggies or fruits?

And trying to build a bird house or a plant box?

I like this

What are the benefits of planting veg and fruit do you reckon?

 

[the elastic]

They'd do an extended pre-k, and the upside is a reduced risk at repeating a grade which we know is devastating to students that are held back.

The point is to address developmemtal differences between girls and boys, to give boys a better shot at having better outcomes, we can find ways to help boys understand this as opposed to sending them to school before they're ready.

So there would be a class with nothing but boys learning exactly what? While the girls are getting even further ahead than them anyway. Seems counterintuitive.

Children being prepared for school should be a parent's duty anyhow.