Ms Jade >>>> Tink

[Homeboy Runny-Ray]

son..everybody I know who ACTUALLY purchased that album felt it was dope..and that was cause it was..he went the more contemporary RnB route and some his dopest songs he ever did was on that album...that was one of the dopest RnB albums to drop that year actually..the nikka sold 13 million records worldwide BEFORE he died off that album...in the US he sold 2 milli...to act like his album didn't have MAJOR label issues...this is his FIRST album that wasn't associated with a tour...and like I said..US had a stick up their ass when it came to MJ...that's a fact..not an opinion...we was the only country that consistently shyt on him while everywhere else in the world he was loved....the fact that u tryna shrug the fact that Eve collabed wit Michael Jackson is just retarded...and I mean seriously retarded..no matter HOW u feel about that nikka..he was one of if not the most famous person in the world...u was running around saying straight up delusional shyt like MJ's music didn't stand the test of time..that shyt was one of the most retarded statements I seen on the internet..
Also..I don't need to come to grips with anything..Im not even a fan of Lil Kim like that...but what that nikka said was completely false...period..Kim has had more success on every level as an artist than Nicki...and funny thing is I feel Nicki is better at actual rapping than Lil Kim...but as an artist who puts out music..Nicki doesn't even have a good album...Lil Kim has what's considered a hip hop classic and has a longer and better career as a music artist..

so what if they thought the album was dope? thats a very vague statement. ALOT of stuff is dope. like i said, MJ was ballin with a mid-range game at that point. thanks for proving my point.

i thought you mean something else with the "stick in the ass" comment. but youre still wrong. people were making fun of michael jackson when he was at his apex. it didnt stop him from going double-diamond. so obviously, that isnt what stopped him from selling.

you dang right i shrugged off the eve collabo. am i supposed to get excited about it just because its michael? like i said, i dont indulge in idol-worship. he had his time but that time was up. he was a shell of his former self by then. and just like every other artist when theyre on their last legs, we could care less who they do songs with by that point. mike is no different. he aint God.

as for the bolded: i didnt say anything delusional. nor was i the only person in the thread saying such. IN FACT, you were out-numbered in that argument. and all i said was that alot of his pop stuff didnt age well and i have a hard time enjoying anymore. then you threw a fit, especially after you saw others in agreement.

again, im not vouching for nicki at all. i was just noting that she only had that 1 joint. and since when is it considered a classic?

 

[Homeboy Runny-Ray]

he won't cause his memory is the only thing that matters and everyone else is bugging if their shyt doesn't fall in line with his...the fact that he said that people "just mad that sony didn't throw a parade" lets me know he doesn't even remember all the controversy regarding that album and it's promotion..the shyt Mike said about Sony at that time was some other shyt...they dead ass tried to sabotage that album...

how do i not remember the controversy when i dropped a mike press conference quote on the last page?

sounds more like YOU dont remember the controversy.

All I'm saying is read the the thread it aint as simple as you making it out to be and the promotion for that album was not good. I dont want to sidetrack this thread so I'll just leave it alone.

oh im not denying that mike was getting the shaft.

im just saying, there was enough awareness to the product for people to get behind the album if they wanted to. its not like most cognizant people didnt hear the album. they just werent into it like that. the only thing more promotion wouldve done was force more people into liking it.

thats all im saying. im not arguing anything else about it like @spliz is trying to make it seem in that post he did.

 

[Monoblock]

how do i not remember the controversy when i dropped a mike press conference quote on the last page?

sounds more like YOU dont remember the controversy.





oh im not denying that mike was getting the shaft.

im just saying, there was enough awareness to the product for people to get behind the album if they wanted to. its not like most cognizant people didnt hear the album. they just werent into it like that. the only thing more promotion wouldve done was force more people into liking it.

thats all im saying. im not arguing anything else about it like @spliz is trying to make it seem in that post he did.

Respect

 

[spliz]

so what if they thought the album was dope? thats a very vague statement. ALOT of stuff is dope. like i said, MJ was ballin with a mid-range game at that point. thanks for proving my point.

i thought you mean something else with the "stick in the ass" comment. but youre still wrong. people were making fun of michael jackson when he was at his apex. it didnt stop him from going double-diamond. so obviously, that isnt what stopped him from selling.

you dang right i shrugged off the eve collabo. am i supposed to get excited about it just because its michael? like i said, i dont indulge in idol-worship. he had his time but that time was up. he was a shell of his former self by then. and just like every other artist when theyre on their last legs, we could care less who they do songs with by that point. mike is no different. he aint God.

as for the bolded: i didnt say anything delusional. nor was i the only person in the thread saying such. IN FACT, you were out-numbered in that argument. and all i said was that alot of his pop stuff didnt age well and i have a hard time enjoying anymore. then you threw a fit, especially after you saw others in agreement.

again, im not vouching for nicki at all. i was just noting that she only had that 1 joint. and since when is it considered a classic?

nikka is not about Idol worship..thats the part u dont GET..its the magnatude of artist that she was at the time to get a feature wit the nikka...that nikka aint just run around workin wit anyone..and fukk an online thread...all of u nikkas was trippin..it was also a bunch of dumb nikkas on Sohh sayin and tryna make an argument that Pac was more famous than Michael Jackson...and I wasnt outnumbered in the thread...it was just more people that agreed with u than YOU even expected so those posts stood out..and u wasnt speaking as an opinion..u said that it didnt...u didnt say "MJs music didnt age well for me"...U said "MJs music didnt age well"..one of the most ridiculous statements about music regardless if ur a fan or not..I mean its just false...that MJ Invincible album was sabatoged from the inside..but its michael jackson tho so u wont allow that excuse...if it was some artist u vouching for u would use that excuse urself..thats the funny shyt..u mad hypocritical..and stop bringin up Nas nikka cause I dont even make an appearance in every Nas thread...not even half of them actually...stop acting like me being a fan of an artist voids my opinion...thats bullshyt..

 

[Ethnic Vagina Finder]

this discussion is not a barometer on what tink's draw will be.
it is about her skill as an actual artist in her respective genre.
which is how the comparison to ms jade was made.
considering and taking into account, timbo's overrating of her as an artist wholeheartedly.
plus, the fact, rnb needs to back the fukk up off of rap.
which, is how and why rap is declining as a draw.
by not respecting rap and hiphop and rnb needs to stop tinkering with rap.
this was seen and known as early as force md's.
now, we are back in 1984, with this huff as rnb wants to rap and can not rap artist.

only issue i have with tink is lyrically bar to bar whether rnb or rap,..
the quality is consistently low and a detractor to her skill writing and executing hooks.
while, her skill writing hooks is top notch.
only issue is lyrically her skills are so low quality.
they act as an immediate detractor to the hook negatively.

tink's best submissions in her mixtape discography are hook/bridgy short interlude based records.
anything past that descends into lackluster unlistenable quality.
especially on the rap side,....
this is after a great hook submission generally as well, too.



art barr

Could u at least wait until she drops a studio album????? I'm not even ready to give any critiques. And for the record, r&b fell off when knowing how to actually sing became optional.

 

[Art Barr]

Could u at least wait until she drops a studio album????? I'm not even ready to give any critiques. And for the record, r&b fell off when knowing how to actually sing became optional.

actually rnb fell off, when swv made an entire rap collab feature album and it flopped.
that was the release that signaled the end for rnb as its own entity.


anyway,...i have four studio albums from tink.
in two years, she has shown no improvement bar to bar as a rapper, and as a singer.
after the hook goes off tink, needs a ghostwriter on a rap record.
on ms jade's level to write for her, to hold the listeners attention.
just like she needs a ghost writer for the actual lyrics on her rnb record that are not the hook and bridge.
that is glaringly obvious if you listen to her material.


art barr

 

[spliz]

how do i not remember the controversy when i dropped a mike press conference quote on the last page?

sounds more like YOU dont remember the controversy.





oh im not denying that mike was getting the shaft.

im just saying, there was enough awareness to the product for people to get behind the album if they wanted to. its not like most cognizant people didnt hear the album. they just werent into it like that. the only thing more promotion wouldve done was force more people into liking it.

thats all im saying. im not arguing anything else about it like @spliz is trying to make it seem in that post he did.

Funny thing is u accuse me of not remembering the controversy and didnt do the same shyt to @Monoblock who accused u of simplifying the controversy in his response to u...like I said..theres alotta factors when it came to that album...the shyt sold 13 milli worldwide..it was by no means a flop..

 

[Homeboy Runny-Ray]

Respect

Funny thing is u accuse me of not remembering the controversy and didnt do the same shyt to @Monoblock who accused u of simplifying the controversy in his response to u...like I said..theres alotta factors when it came to that album...the shyt sold 13 milli worldwide..it was by no means a flop..

he mis-interpreted my post. that was all.

i never said mike flopped. im just not cosigning this image of sony simply throwing his album to the wolves. there was still more than enough awareness for the product at the end of the day. there was more genuinely popular music out at the time with less promotion.

 

[Art Barr]

Funny thing is u accuse me of not remembering the controversy and didnt do the same shyt to @Monoblock who accused u of simplifying the controversy in his response to u...like I said..theres alotta factors when it came to that album...the shyt sold 13 milli worldwide..it was by no means a flop..

although, the discussion of eve fits into this from a philly female rapper perspective since ms jade was brought up.
i think people are forgetting eve was on a blockbuster janet jackson remix.
that paved the way for her feature on butterfly.
plus, butterflies permeation is also how floetry finally got larger permeation in the market place.
where they were given respect as songwriters, and trickled over to their album.
which eventually, as it is believed the attention to marsha's songwriting on butterfly.
is what lead to the split between floetry, after the fact and allowed marsha a solo career.
butterfly was a big huge deal as a single.
not to mention, micheal's extra pr'd endorsement of floetry and marsha as songwriters, as well.

art barr

 

[Bomberman]

Wait a minute, sure MJ's music wasn't prime MJ level when it released, but to say it wasn't a big deal to even be associated him in the early 2000's is false. Plenty of cats wanted that MJ stamp, even a decade after Dangerous.

The Neptunes were one of the biggest if not the biggest draw at the time and they were reaching out to MJ to make something grand and stop the music world. If MJ's camp didn't interfere at the time and put a halt to it, it'd be a whole different story today, those songs would've been iconic. Dude would have released a new album with some Neptunes instrumentals, and nobody would've said he fell off.

So Eve doing a song, even for Invincible is a pretty big deal, regardless of how the song turned out.

 

[Monoblock]

he mis-interpreted my post. that was all.

i never said mike flopped. im just not cosigning this image of sony simply throwing his album to the wolves. there was still more than enough awareness for the product at the end of the day. there was more genuinely popular music out at the time with less promotion.

Hold up. Lets slow this down a bit. I didn't misinterpret what you were saying you clarified what you were saying and agreed that he was getting the shaft from Sony. I said the album did not get the promotion it deserved. Thats a fact

Largely due to disputes between Jackson and his record label, the album saw little promotion.It was reported that the album had a budget of twenty five million dollars set aside for promotion.Despite this, however, due to the conflicts between Jackson and his record label, little was done to promote the album

Lets not act like Mike was some run of the mill artists that didnt deserve the proper promotion when his previous album sold 20 million. The album was thrown to the wolves and reviewers were shytting on it at the time. Singles were released internationally before the US and Sony denied him an international tour to promote it and would only grant a US one.They wanted that album to fail and from a business aspect it did (only sold 2.5 million). Mike's music was not the problem. His music sounds better now than ever especially now that R&B and ballads are pretty much dead in the mainstream.

 

[spliz]

although, the discussion of eve fits into this from a philly female rapper perspective since ms jade was brought up.
i think people are forgetting eve was on a blockbuster janet jackson remix.
that paved the way for her feature on butterfly.
plus, butterflies permeation is also how floetry finally got larger permeation in the market place.
where they were given respect as songwriters, and trickled over to their album.
which eventually, as it is believed the attention to marsha's songwriting on butterfly.
is what lead to the split between floetry, after the fact and allowed marsha a solo career.
butterfly was a big huge deal as a single.
not to mention, micheal's extra pr'd endorsement of floetry and marsha as songwriters, as well.

art barr

Exactly..

 

[Homeboy Runny-Ray]

nikka is not about Idol worship..thats the part u dont GET..its the magnatude of artist that she was at the time to get a feature wit the nikka...that nikka aint just run around workin wit anyone..and fukk an online thread...all of u nikkas was trippin..it was also a bunch of dumb nikkas on Sohh sayin and tryna make an argument that Pac was more famous than Michael Jackson...and I wasnt outnumbered in the thread...it was just more people that agreed with u than YOU even expected so those posts stood out..and u wasnt speaking as an opinion..u said that it didnt...u didnt say "MJs music didnt age well for me"...U said "MJs music didnt age well"..one of the most ridiculous statements about music regardless if ur a fan or not..I mean its just false...that MJ Invincible album was sabatoged from the inside..but its michael jackson tho so u wont allow that excuse...if it was some artist u vouching for u would use that excuse urself..thats the funny shyt..u mad hypocritical..and stop bringin up Nas nikka cause I dont even make an appearance in every Nas thread...not even half of them actually...stop acting like me being a fan of an artist voids my opinion...thats bullshyt..

i understand exactly what ur saying, and im in agreement that eve was huge at that point, coming off the1st 2 albums. but lets not act like she had a verse on "off the wall" or thriller. sallimsayin.

wires are getting crossed here. we were having a side-argument in that thread. and i doubt anybody who was in on our side-argument was in agreement with the thread title. now as for what i said, i didnt say anything outrageous. pop music rarely ever ages well breh. its not rocket science. the problem was that your childhood holy grails were being crushed, and you were saying a bunch of ridiculous stuff in that thread dog.

i mentioned nas once.

 

[spliz]

i understand exactly what ur saying, and im in agreement that eve was huge at that point, coming off the1st 2 albums. but lets not act like she had a verse on "off the wall" or thriller. sallimsayin.

wires are getting crossed here. we were having a side-argument in that thread. and i doubt anybody who was in on our side-argument was in agreement with the thread title. now as for what i said, i didnt say anything outrageous. pop music rarely ever ages well breh. its not rocket science. the problem was that your childhood holy grails were being crushed, and you were saying a bunch of ridiculous stuff in that thread dog.

i mentioned nas once.

I said nothing ridiculous..I was saying shyt like both of my kids and all kids around them still fukk wit his pop shyt and I didnt even introduce them to him..people just gravitate to that nikka fam...go do a performance and put on an MJ song and see if everyone in the crowd dont wild out..from young to old..artists are still imitating him and sampling him till this day..nikka back when I worked at Best Buy I would demo audio with MJ music and that shyt got people damn near every time..would have the whole store boppin..from black..white..hispanic..indian..asian...english speaking or not...MJ comes on and thats it...so no..ur wrong..it may not have aged well FOR U but the whole world is in disagreement with u..whenever I would DJ a party no matter what kind of event it was..Michael Jackson would have people dancing...so cut the bullshyt..that dudes trancended literally 4 different decades..and thats NOT including Invincible..ur was wildin then..and u wildin now..

 

[Homeboy Runny-Ray]

Wait a minute, sure MJ's music wasn't prime MJ level when it released, but to say it wasn't a big deal to even be associated him in the early 2000's is false. Plenty of cats wanted that MJ stamp, even a decade after Dangerous.

The Neptunes were one of the biggest if not the biggest draw at the time and they were reaching out to MJ to make something grand and stop the music world. If MJ's camp didn't interfere at the time and put a halt to it, it'd be a whole different story today, those songs would've been iconic. Dude would have released a new album with some Neptunes instrumentals, and nobody would've said he fell off.

So Eve doing a song, even for Invincible is a pretty big deal, regardless of how the song turned out.

neptunes were back then.

i wouldve advised mike to stay away from them too.

Hold up. Lets slow this down a bit. I didn't misinterpret what you were saying you clarified what you were saying and agreed that he was getting the shaft from Sony. I said the album did not get the promotion it deserved. Thats a fact

Lets not act like Mike was some run of the mill artists that didnt deserve the proper promotion when his previous album sold 20 million. The album was thrown to the wolves and reviewers were shytting on it at the time. Singles were released internationally before the US and Sony denied him an international tour to promote it and would only grant a US one.They wanted that album to fail and from a business aspect it did (only sold 2.5 million). Mike's music was not the problem. His music sounds better now than ever especially now that R&B and ballads are pretty much dead in the mainstream.

same thing. i didnt say you were in agreement.

and youre proving my point with the bolded.