MUSIC REQUIRES LESS SKILL for every passing generation! (WHY OLD HEADS ALWAYS HATIN)

[SirBiatch]

It's NOT about skill. Never has been.

It's about SOUL. Old heads like myself hate modern rap because the shyt is soulless. Lil B is #2 favorite rapper of the new school and that nikka can barely rap. But he's soulful as fukk. That's what wins.

 

[Cynic]

Another thread bashing the new school...

Each generation develops technology to save time and energy and money ...

Y'all sound like a bunch of women jealous of the dishwasher and washing machine taking away their domestic chores....


Get over it.

 

[Imlinkin]

I appreciate your civility in allowing me to explain brehther.

Now, this is the biography of one Quincy Jones:

Named by Time Magazine as one of the most influential jazz musicians of the 20th century, Quincy Jones was born on March 14, 1933, in Chicago and brought up in Seattle. While in junior high school, he began studying trumpet and sang in a gospel quartet at age 12. His musical studies continued at the prestigious Berklee College of Music in Boston, where he remained until the opportunity arose to tour with Lionel Hampton’s band as a trumpeter, arranger and sometime-pianist. He moved on to New York and the musical “big leagues” in 1951, where his reputation as an arranger grew. By the mid-50’s, he was arranging and recording for such diverse artists as Sarah Vaughan, Ray Charles, Count Basie, Duke Ellington, Big Maybelle, Dinah Washington, Cannonball Adderly and LeVern Baker

A lot of the old heads had to be trained in multiple instruments in order to create their own music from scratch...not just a beat....zero samples. Whats that...???

You think the tracks missing sumn.... it needs a violin? Your azz had better find a violinist then . You aint pressing two buttons to lace the whole track with a violin. You may just have to already have that skill..

Thatsss what gets a cat like Michael MF Jackson to come to YOU and request that you produce his ish

.Nowadays, one summer of fuccing around on fruity loops and youre in the game if an authentic hood with enough street cred or just enough sfwag hops on your shyt.




Old school mixing and mastering took 10x the skill. I could break it down for ya if you got time.



You think 40,000 mixtapes aint being dropped a week because its not easier to compose music with lyrics nowadays??

It's to be expected that there is going to be a lot more bullshyt since there is a lot more music in general.

I like a lot of old things too but I don't compare them to music today it just won't work, do you make music at all?

I just want to see where you're coming from, saying that it takes more skill to do one thing over another is weak, but saying you don't like it is fine, just don't call it a lack of skill because you don't like it.

 

[Sauce Dab]

Im not eeen saying thats a good look or sound though, just that old heads were hating on the hiphop gen in the 90s, saying WE had to have this to make it, ya'll lil dudes got 1 DJ and a beat playing that you sampled from a song on which WE used a 100 man orchestra for...




This WAS DOPE:



The originators who made the sample are doper and tried 100x harder to make it:



Who is colder to you?

I like both but I'd probably choose chance because it's easier to listen to

 

[Imlinkin]

Reread my OP kind sir. I dont judge new music because I feel that its not made for my ears. I just ignore it. I explained why WE were hated on by old heads ourselves and why it happens generationally. I finished up with a rather charming antidote on why YOU my sjs friend may find yourself in similar shoes one day, not preferring new music. Cheerio.

Another thread bashing the new school...

Each generation develops technology to save time and energy and money ...

Y'all sound like a bunch of women jealous of the dishwasher and washing machine taking away their domestic chores....


Get over it.

 

[Imlinkin]

Thats actually kanye sampling the bridge from Michael Jackson's PYT ..but whoever composed the original music for PYT had angels on his shoulders snorting pixie dust while he was making that shyt. Ye is dope for sampling that track then rapping over it too tho... Just sayin'

I like both but I'd probably choose chance because it's easier to listen to

 

[Imlinkin]

Yeaaa, but old skool was on some other shyt:

This video is an example of the craazy range that David Ruffin had vocally. They only let super skilled, "once in a lifetime" quality voices perform not too long ago.



Even in my era when Nas firsr dropped, your azz had to be lyrical & have a large vocabulary for a hot minute.

It's NOT about skill. Never has been.

It's about SOUL. Old heads like myself hate modern rap because the shyt is soulless. Lil B is #2 favorite rapper of the new school and that nikka can barely rap. But he's soulful as fukk. That's what wins.

 

[SirBiatch]

Even in my era when Nas firsr dropped, your azz had to be lyrical & have a large vocabulary for a hot minute.

sure. but the prerequisite is that you had to have soul. a reason to rhyme. and, for the most part, most people involved in hip hop at that time met that basic prerequisite. So then it became about "who more lyrical? who saying more shyt?"

Doesn't mean the soul wasn't there.

 

[str8up]

I appreciate your civility in allowing me to explain brehther.

Now, this is the biography of one Quincy Jones:

Named by Time Magazine as one of the most influential jazz musicians of the 20th century, Quincy Jones was born on March 14, 1933, in Chicago and brought up in Seattle. While in junior high school, he began studying trumpet and sang in a gospel quartet at age 12. His musical studies continued at the prestigious Berklee College of Music in Boston, where he remained until the opportunity arose to tour with Lionel Hampton’s band as a trumpeter, arranger and sometime-pianist. He moved on to New York and the musical “big leagues” in 1951, where his reputation as an arranger grew. By the mid-50’s, he was arranging and recording for such diverse artists as Sarah Vaughan, Ray Charles, Count Basie, Duke Ellington, Big Maybelle, Dinah Washington, Cannonball Adderly and LeVern Baker

A lot of the old heads had to be trained in multiple instruments in order to create their own music from scratch...not just a beat....zero samples. Whats that...???

You think the tracks missing sumn.... it needs a violin? Your azz had better find a violinist then . You aint pressing two buttons to lace the whole track with a violin. You may just have to already have that skill..

Thatsss what gets a cat like Michael MF Jackson to come to YOU and request that you produce his ish

.Nowadays, one summer of fuccing around on fruity loops and youre in the game if an authentic hood with enough street cred or just enough sfwag hops on your shyt.




Old school mixing and mastering took 10x the skill. I could break it down for ya if you got time.



You think 40,000 mixtapes aint being dropped a week because its not easier to compose music with lyrics nowadays??

I completely agree that the accessibility allows people to release music like never before but I'm just saying it does take some talent to produce, you can hear the dip in quality between someone who actually plays an instrument and a random preset they found in kontakt so it's not like digital shyt is making learning an instrument pointless. FL is no better or worse than any other DAW and a lot of great beats were made with it either way.

And as far as old school engineering I wouldn't say it's 10x harder, a lot of people including myself still aren't fully in the box with everything so it's not like everyone just went digital because it's easier, just more accessible. The reason a lot of the mixes sound like shyt is just because people don't know what they're doing.

 

[Cynic]

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Reread my OP kind sir. I dont judge new music because I feel that its not made for my ears. I just ignore it. I explained why WE were hated on by old heads ourselves and why it happens generationally. I finished up with a rather charming antidote on why YOU my sjs friend may find yourself in similar shoes one day, not preferring new music. Cheerio.

I won't actually.... I love music in all of its entirety.

I don't hold lofty standards like most of my peers.


I'm perfectly comfortable switching between genres and time periods. I can enjoy play Muddy Waters, Sam Cooke, Marvin Gaye, Michael, Jodeci right up to MayerHawthorne/The Weeknd/Johnny Rain.

All the way to T-Rex, Rolling Stones, Celia Cruz, My bloody Valentine, Arctic Monkeys, Rakim, Big Daddy Kane, Kendrick, Young Thug.


Most people listen to find something wrong and be critical of the new generation ...they are seeking affirmation not information.

But why would 2016 sound exactly like 1996 ?


I look for brilliance in everything from the mixing/mastering to the production and song writing. I like to see where these youngbulls are taking it NOT watch a sequel to something I've been through.


All this shade old heads keep throwing has no effect. They dont care and will push the genre anyway they want and there's nothing we can do about it.

 

[Tetris v2.0]

This gen is all about instant gratification. Most simply don't care. They want to know what's hot so they can orient themselves. It's lifestyle music now, everyone wants to be a celeb or socialite and current rap music reflects that.

There's still brilliant music being made, but unless it's got a corporate backing like Kendrick. Zero fukks are given

 

[Imlinkin]

youre exactly right. It DOES take skill to do it right and I applaud Mike Will and everybody else doing it successfully. I also agree that recording technology is waaay more accessible and that leads to more musical output. Just pay attention to how much lower the bar goes though... Humming on a track or just saying one word repeatedly like its a house track is coming to a beats headphone near you in 2018.


Hey, some artist could dip his jordan 11s in red paint and walk over a canvas and sell it for thousands of dollars. Im sure if old school painters like Michael Angelo were still alive, theyd just ask that it not be lumped into their genre of painting, thats all..

I completely agree that the accessibility allows people to release music like never before but I'm just saying it does take some talent to produce, you can hear the dip in quality between someone who actually plays an instrument and a random preset they found in kontakt so it's not like digital shyt is making learning an instrument pointless. FL is no better or worse than any other DAW and a lot of great beats were made with it either way.

And as far as old school engineering I wouldn't say it's 10x harder, a lot of people including myself still aren't fully in the box with everything so it's not like everyone just went digital because it's easier, just more accessible. The reason a lot of the mixes sound like shyt is just because people don't know what they're doing.

 

[Imlinkin]

Respect. I just wanted you to know I wasnt on some old head hating ish, just on some understanding ish.

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I won't actually.... I love music in all of its entirety.

I don't hold lofty standards like most of my peers.


I'm perfectly comfortable switching between genres and time periods. I can enjoy play Muddy Waters, Sam Cooke, Marvin Gaye, Michael, Jodeci right up to MayerHawthorne/The Weeknd/Johnny Rain.

All the way to T-Rex, Rolling Stones, Celia Cruz, My bloody Valentine, Arctic Monkeys, Rakim, Big Daddy Kane, Kendrick, Young Thug.


Most people listen to find something wrong and be critical of the new generation ...they are seeking affirmation not information.

But why would 2016 sound exactly like 1996 ?


I look for brilliance in everything from the mixing/mastering to the production and song writing. I like to see where these youngbulls are taking it NOT watch a sequel to something I've been through.


All this shade old heads keep throwing has no effect. They dont care and will push the genre anyway they want and there's nothing we can do about it.

 

[str8up]

youre exactly right. It DOES take skill to do it right and I applaud Mike Will and everybody else doing it successfully. I also agree that recording technology is waaay more accessible and that leads to more musical output. Just pay attention to how much lower the bar goes though... Humming on a track or just saying one word repeatedly like its a house track is coming to a beats headphone near you in 2018.


Hey, some artist could dip his jordan 11s in red paint and walk over a canvas and sell it for thousands of dollars. Im sure if old school painters like Michael Angelo were still alive, theyd just ask that it not be lumped into their genre of painting, thats all..

So why aren't dudes saying that about the music then? You make it seem like there hasn't been bullshyt music for years that was as big, if not bigger, than some of the wack shyt out right now.

 

[PhonZhi]

Just randomly heard this song and thought of this thread:



Stevie wrote this at 16.

Now we got "eat the booty like groceries"