Neil deGrasse Tyson Talks about Being Black

[jilla82]

I'd agree but violent crimes aren't the reason why minorities tend to be disproportionately disenfranchised, labeled with felonies....

The drug laws are
@ciroq drobama


When It Comes To Illegal Drug Use, White America Does The Crime, Black America Gets The Time

drug laws are slowly changing.
The reason why violent crimes arent is because we have really lax illegal gun laws (outside of NYC).
Its hard not to get caught up in all the violence when the whole community is fighting and shooting one another...its a damned if you do, damned if you dont situation. The major contributors to the chaos need to be removed and everyone needs to understand that the nonsense wont be tolerated. But as soon as law makers bring up tougher gun laws (again, for owners of illegal guns...I do believe we should be able to have legal guns) people want to cry racism.

And the funny thing is a lot of those same politicians that cry about mandatory minimums are the same ones that voted for a lot of these fraud ass drug laws. We forget that black people voted for those laws as well.

 

[Liu Kang]

you pretty much just made my point though. I see a lot of people say the "white power structure" is the reason blacks are where they are.
But its simply environment.
Its the same song w/ poor people in urban environments all over the world, throughout time, no matter the race.

Instead of focusing on white folks (which does no good, because there are no laws to change for people not going to jail), how about we focus on the family structure...harsher laws for those committing violent crimes so the people that want to do good can actually breathe, promote self education (you can learn anything on the net), basic financial education, and entrepreneurship.

Most of the conversations I read on sites like this are one big circle jerk....dont really get to the heart of the problems, and only talking about the past.

Where did I say it was the white man's fault ?

So why are Blacks who come from middle and upperclass households underperforming?

How are FOB Asians from the underclass achieving?

Face it, its more cultural than environment or economic level, though they play a part.

I'm not american so I can't answer this question properly. But do you have figures backing up your under-performing/overachieving points ?
As an european, reading The Coli makes me think that the Black/White relations are pretty fukked up and reading Youtube/Yahoo comments where sometimes racism comes to light naturally makes me think that the environment where Black people evolves is not that easy on top of the conditions where they grow up.

 

[jilla82]

Where did I say it was the white man's fault ?


I'm not american so I can't answer this question properly. But do you have figures backing up your under-performing/overachieving points ?
As an european, reading The Coli makes me think that the Black/White relations are pretty fukked up and reading Youtube/Yahoo comments where sometimes racism comes to light naturally makes me think that the environment where Black people evolves is not that easy on top of the conditions where they grow up.

wasnt saying you...just the general theme of this board sometimes.

dont pay too much attention to comments on the internet. The internet just makes it easier for folks to focus on what they think about. People w/ lives dont sit around worrying about this shyt. Most people I know dont even post on forums or make Youtube comments. its a certain type of person that gets caught up in all of this.

 

[NZA]

So why are Blacks who come from middle and upperclass households underperforming?

How are FOB Asians from the underclass achieving?

Face it, its more cultural than environment or economic level, though they play a part.

you are surrounded by cacs and c00ns no matter how much money you make. everything i said applies to black people regardless of class, as tyson's remarks attest. he was the child of two educated professionals and still faced adults who wanted to drive him away from things they felt were out of place for him.

culture matters, and white culture is pathologically white supremacist. even black people can be white supremacists and will help uphold systems of white supremacy. some black people do a poor job of helping their children rise above the limits set for them by the dominant culture we live in. other times the kid simply cant handle life as it is and has to lose. poverty as a result of lacking resources and poverty culture in response to that condition have a role as well, which is why poor white children fare worse than more affluent ones, but at least they dont have to deal with one more hurdle. everything you can point at plays some role, it's just that some people want to ignore some of those things...

 

[Poitier]

Where did I say it was the white man's fault ?


I'm not american so I can't answer this question properly. But do you have figures backing up your under-performing/overachieving points ?
As an european, reading The Coli makes me think that the Black/White relations are pretty fukked up and reading Youtube/Yahoo comments where sometimes racism comes to light naturally makes me think that the environment where Black people evolves is not that easy on top of the conditions where they grow up.

Professor: Achievement gap is deep, even among African-American middle class | Cornell Chronicle

Racial Achievement Gap Still Plagues Schools : NPR

 

[↓R↑LYB]

Do you even think before you type? I would suggest reading the Autobiography of Malcolm X before you jump to conclusions. Matter of fact just read period, because it's an insult to my intelligence constantly having to explain things to you. Yes he did make it, after he was a petty thief and junkie and did a 10 year prison sentence. Matter of fact it wasn't until he went to jail that he was introduced to Islam and became someone who 'made it big' as you say.

 

[↓R↑LYB]

Trust me breh I have a LOT in common with NDT from a career standpoint. More than you can imagine. As much as I respect all that he has accomplished, it just hurts me that so many capable brothers and sisters are denied that opportunity because of the environment they exist in.

The fact is Neil came from a home environment that had two successful parents who encouraged creativity. We find that children, both black and white, who come out of environments like this typically become successful themselves. Would the outcome had been the same if he had a single mother and lived in the projects? Maybe but it would have been a lot tougher.

The vitriol I have aimed at c00ns like @bigDeeOT is they suggest genetic inferiority within my people. As if socioeconomic conditions don't result in the similar outcome for any race. Ignoring the fact that half the US is filled with methed out slums full of white trash. The nerve of these c00ns, these Yaqubs who trade in labcoats for keyboards.

Breh, hearing NDT's response had me like :brehwow: I remember trying to enroll in college courses and having the white admissions advisor basically telling me I'm not smart enough to be an IT major and I should basically pick something easier.

 

[DonFrancisco]

so that begs the question...is it race or culture that is the real problem (of black people)?
Because he clearly succeeded because of his work ethic, he's smart, and his parents supported him...regardless of the "white power structure" folks love to talk about.

He points the finger at the white power structure but more so he points it at the inequality in the his country (which is probably one in the same). He answered that question for you. At least that is what I understood his response to be.

I had a similar issue, the school adviser thought I didn't have a prayer to make into a big, competitive university. She wanted me to go to business school at HBU, not the University of Houston, which had a much higher ranked program.

 

[you're NOT "n!ggas"]

I'd agree but violent crimes aren't the reason why minorities tend to be disproportionately disenfranchised, labeled with felonies....

The drug laws are
@ciroq drobama


When It Comes To Illegal Drug Use, White America Does The Crime, Black America Gets The Time

Just wait breh

 

[tmonster]

you are surrounded by cacs and c00ns no matter how much money you make. everything i said applies to black people regardless of class, as tyson's remarks attest. he was the child of two educated professionals and still faced adults who wanted to drive him away from things they felt were out of place for him.

culture matters, and white culture is pathologically white supremacist. even black people can be white supremacists and will help uphold systems of white supremacy. some black people do a poor job of helping their children rise above the limits set for them by the dominant culture we live in. other times the kid simply cant handle life as it is and has to lose. poverty as a result of lacking resources and poverty culture in response to that condition have a role as well, which is why poor white children fare worse than more affluent ones, but at least they dont have to deal with one more hurdle. everything you can point at plays some role, it's just that some people want to ignore some of those things...

someone had their cofee today!:yasure:

 

[you're NOT "n!ggas"]

Idk why ya'll entertain that dumbass anyways, NDT was on with this I couldn't imagine the reaction to wanting to be a black astrophysicist growing up. Dude was seriously born in a rare situation... ya'll already mentioned his parents being successful and encouraging creativity/free-thought. It would be EASY to place the blame completely on racism/prejudices in regards to obstructions for blacks in the sciences, but quite honestly, their can be just as many obstructions at home/in your community. Most likely even stronger simply for the fact that tese are people you'd be connected too.

As a personal example, I'll never forget, one day I was riding home from elementary school with my mom and I was all excited, telling her about what I'd learned that day about Evolution. There might have been after a field trip, I can't remember. Anyways, my mom, a teacher (yet HIGHLY religious) was visibly upset with it and reminded me that it's not right it's what the bible says. This is my mom! I'm not even sure how old I was, I just I remember thinking I'm making her mad, and I did't want to do that, and as my parent, I trust her above all for the truth, so I let it go... had that situation been different, who knows who I would have been. Others like me as well.

You gotta be able to make it out of your environment first and foremost imo. Outside racism then becomes secondary. Or maybe I'm or cognizant of it now that I'm quote unquote "on". I grew up more or less privileged in some of the same respects a NDT would have though. My most recent job was the most eye-opening experience I've had thus far. Another example being this one particular time that I had to type out some shyt... and my boss was literally FLOORED by it. Throwing me praises for how "well" I write (I wouldn't use the coli to measure that). I'm glad whoever posted that quote from Malcolm X about being the "pink unicorn" because that's really how it felt. All along, deep inside, I was like "bytch, it's just a paper "

 

[tmonster]

All along, deep inside, I was like "bytch, it's just a paper "

:zfg:

 

[semtex]

It was a nervous applause. Reality was they were uncomfortable by what he said and wanted to change the subject.

:denzelol:
cacs be like: "Please don't tell us the truth about what we've done "

 

[BlackFruitPunch]

Socioeconomic conditions does play a role.

Listen dude I believe if someone is born in a bad environment, it will negatively affect their life chances. It presents a huge barrier to success compared to people who grew up in wealth.

The problem with the black community is we aren't doing enough to provide these kids with positive influences. We aren't doing enough to bring our people out of poverty. Everything is the white man's fault.

Kobe Bryant and Pharrell have denounced that kind of lunacy so they are the way of the future.

Throw the dam towel

 

[Blackking]

Sad that it's rare that someone at his level would even have a response like that. I have uncles, associates, mentors as accomplished as him...... all of their responses would appease CAC more. The fact that we don't have more NDT type responses is holding us back just as much as music, culture, environment, poverty, everything....

I remember like it was fukking yesterday, telling his cac ( a young cac bytch too) that worked at the university during orientation... {so fukking what I'm only 16}, i wanted to major in computer science. She was maddd disrespectful, and because I was basically still a kid at the time....... I told my mother on her (like a bytch nikka)... and my mother had a talk with her. THEN this bytch ACTUALLY had the nerve to debate my mother about how I would have wayyy too much of a workload for my first year. The very tone of some of these CAC always sticks with you.... so I feel what NDT is saying.