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[DaveyDave]

So even though i said it's not in my post,YOU'RE GOING TO TELL ME IT'S NOT? What's your point?
Personally i feel thuglife,matw,aeom and 7dt are classics.
My point was that half ass albums lie OB4CL or illmatic get placed alongside MATW doggystyl etc but you'll never see an unsuccessful no hit song having album from another region get placed alongside huge east coast classics

What are these albums you're talking about with no hits and unsuccessful in the charts that are ignored as classics? A lot of people say 7 Day Theory and AEOM are classics and even Thig Life. What are these unknown west coast gems that are unheralded classics?

 

[Animal House]

Hold Up Stunts Blunts and Hip Hop is a classic!

Have nikkas even heard that? Or even better did you listen to that shyt when it dropped?

I was 10 when that dropped but was blessed with older brothers and a pops who were deep into the culture, that album was too ill

But thats my opinion along with many more

 

[bigbadbossup2012]

What are these albums you're talking about with no hits and unsuccessful in the charts that are ignored as classics? A lot of people say 7 Day Theory and AEOM are classics and even Thig Life. What are these unknown west coast gems that are unheralded classics?

Like I said before when referencing the source. The only albums that got 5 mics were either death row or nwa affiliated.
Everyone else were ignored on that level.
Artists like e-40 and too short never got correct props. Spice 1 never got correct props. Dj quik never got props. The list goes on.

Albums that originally received five mics:

• People's Instinctive Travels and the Paths of Rhythm -- A Tribe Called Quest
• Let the Rhythm Hit 'Em -- Eric B. & Rakim
• AmeriKKKa's Most Wanted -- Ice Cube
• One for All -- Brand Nubian
• De La Soul Is Dead -- De La Soul
• The Low End Theory -- A Tribe Called Quest
• Illmatic -- Nas
• Life After Death -- The Notorious B.I.G.
• Aquemini -- Outkast
• The Blueprint -- Jay-Z
• Stillmatic -- Nas
• The Fix -- Scarface
• The Naked Truth -- Lil' Kim
• Trill OG -- Bun B
• My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy -- Kanye West

Albums that were not rated upon their releases, but were later rated five mics in 2002:

• Run-D.M.C. -- Run-D.M.C.
• Radio -- LL Cool J
• Licensed to Ill -- Beastie Boys
• Raising Hell -- Run-D.M.C.
• Criminal Minded -- Boogie Down Productions
• Paid in Full -- Eric B. & Rakim
• By All Means Necessary -- Boogie Down Productions
• It Takes a Nation of Millions to Hold Us Back -- Public Enemy
• Long Live the Kane -- Big Daddy Kane
• Critical Beatdown -- Ultramagnetic MCs
• Straight Out the Jungle -- Jungle Brothers
• Strictly Business -- EPMD
• The Great Adventures of Slick Rick -- Slick Rick
• Straight Outta Compton -- N.W.A.
• No One Can Do It Better -- The D.O.C.
• All Eyez on Me -- 2Pac

Albums that originally received 4.5 mics, and were later re-rated to five:

• Breaking Atoms -- Main Source
• Death Certificate -- Ice Cube
• The Chronic -- Dr. Dre
• Enter the Wu-Tang (36 Chambers) -- Wu-Tang Clan
• Ready to Die -- The Notorious B.I.G.
• The Infamous -- Mobb Deep
• Only Built 4 Cuban Linx... -- Raekwon
• 2001 -- Dr. Dre

Albums that originally received four mics, and were later re-rated to five:

• Grip It! On That Other Level -- Geto Boys
• Doggystyle -- Snoop Doggy Dogg
• The Diary -- Scarface
• Me Against the World -- 2Pac
• The Score -- The Fugees
• Reasonable Doubt -- Jay-Z

The only west coast artists that got 5 mics were cube,dre,snoop,pac.NWA and d.o.c.
ANd most were re-rated to do so. Only original 5 mic rated West Coast album was the (bomb squad produced) amerika's most wanted by ice cube.
Meanwhile 21 acts from the east got 5 mics over the years. BE CLEAR, I believe bias is very normal. But they act as if that is NOT a factor and they were just that great and others werent. They act as if their opinion is universal while acting as if others opinions are regional or isolated opinions which is why every album from the west coast that made the list were ultra successful given the circumstances and/or catered to the east. Meanwhile there's a plethora of albums that werent really successful but from the east that make the list.
BE CLEAR i'm not saying sales = greatness. HOWEVER,why didnt ANY unsuccessful west coast album make 5 mics? Because it's bias.

It's very very very clear that they went out of their way to never prop up outsiders too much

 

[DaveyDave]

Like I said before when referencing the source. The only albums that got 5 mics were either death row or nwa affiliated.
Everyone else were ignored on that level.
Artists like e-40 and too short never got correct props. Spice 1 never got correct props. Dj quik never got props. The list goes on.

Albums that originally received five mics:

• People's Instinctive Travels and the Paths of Rhythm -- A Tribe Called Quest
• Let the Rhythm Hit 'Em -- Eric B. & Rakim
• AmeriKKKa's Most Wanted -- Ice Cube
• One for All -- Brand Nubian
• De La Soul Is Dead -- De La Soul
• The Low End Theory -- A Tribe Called Quest
• Illmatic -- Nas
• Life After Death -- The Notorious B.I.G.
• Aquemini -- Outkast
• The Blueprint -- Jay-Z
• Stillmatic -- Nas
• The Fix -- Scarface
• The Naked Truth -- Lil' Kim
• Trill OG -- Bun B
• My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy -- Kanye West

Albums that were not rated upon their releases, but were later rated five mics in 2002:

• Run-D.M.C. -- Run-D.M.C.
• Radio -- LL Cool J
• Licensed to Ill -- Beastie Boys
• Raising Hell -- Run-D.M.C.
• Criminal Minded -- Boogie Down Productions
• Paid in Full -- Eric B. & Rakim
• By All Means Necessary -- Boogie Down Productions
• It Takes a Nation of Millions to Hold Us Back -- Public Enemy
• Long Live the Kane -- Big Daddy Kane
• Critical Beatdown -- Ultramagnetic MCs
• Straight Out the Jungle -- Jungle Brothers
• Strictly Business -- EPMD
• The Great Adventures of Slick Rick -- Slick Rick
• Straight Outta Compton -- N.W.A.
• No One Can Do It Better -- The D.O.C.
• All Eyez on Me -- 2Pac

Albums that originally received 4.5 mics, and were later re-rated to five:

• Breaking Atoms -- Main Source
• Death Certificate -- Ice Cube
• The Chronic -- Dr. Dre
• Enter the Wu-Tang (36 Chambers) -- Wu-Tang Clan
• Ready to Die -- The Notorious B.I.G.
• The Infamous -- Mobb Deep
• Only Built 4 Cuban Linx... -- Raekwon
• 2001 -- Dr. Dre

Albums that originally received four mics, and were later re-rated to five:

• Grip It! On That Other Level -- Geto Boys
• Doggystyle -- Snoop Doggy Dogg
• The Diary -- Scarface
• Me Against the World -- 2Pac
• The Score -- The Fugees
• Reasonable Doubt -- Jay-Z

The only west coast artists that got 5 mics were cube,dre,snoop,pac.NWA and d.o.c.
ANd most were re-rated to do so. Only original 5 mic rated West Coast album was the (bomb squad produced) amerika's most wanted by ice cube.
Meanwhile 21 acts from the east got 5 mics over the years. BE CLEAR, I believe bias is very normal. But they act as if that is NOT a factor and they were just that great and others werent. They act as if their opinion is universal while acting as if others opinions are regional or isolated opinions which is why every album from the west coast that made the list were ultra successful given the circumstances and/or catered to the east. Meanwhile there's a plethora of albums that werent really successful but from the east that make the list.
BE CLEAR i'm not saying sales = greatness. HOWEVER,why didnt ANY unsuccessful west coast album make 5 mics? Because it's bias.

It's very very very clear that they went out of their way to never prop up outsiders too much

If you're only referencing The Spurce then there's an obvious reason why a lot of West Coast albums didn't get 5 mics. Some of the west coast classics they later rated as 5 were released before The Source was even around and others were rated in the supposed "no 5 mics" era where they didn't give 5 to any albums. I don't believe the should have gone back to re ate anything, stick with your guns and just acknowledge that you made a mistake but I know what they were trying to do.

Again, what albums are you specifically talking about that should have received 5 mics upon release. AEOM is a weird case I don't know why they never reviewed it in the first place I can't remember what reason they gave back then. I don't think there's any DITC affiliated albums in there either tho so it cuts both ways but of course NY centric people are going to give NY music more props, had there been a big mag from LA maybe there would be a bunch of West and South albums with 5 stars

 

[bigbadbossup2012]

If you're only referencing The Spurce then there's an obvious reason why a lot of West Coast albums didn't get 5 mics. Some of the west coast classics they later rated as 5 were released before The Source was even around and others were rated in the supposed "no 5 mics" era where they didn't give 5 to any albums. I don't believe the should have gone back to re ate anything, stick with your guns and just acknowledge that you made a mistake but I know what they were trying to do.

Again, what albums are you specifically talking about that should have received 5 mics upon release. AEOM is a weird case I don't know why they never reviewed it in the first place I can't remember what reason they gave back then. I don't think there's any DITC affiliated albums in there either tho so it cuts both ways but of course NY centric people are going to give NY music more props, had there been a big mag from LA maybe there would be a bunch of West and South albums with 5 stars

You don't get it. This isnt about wanting particular WC albums to have 5 mics. It's about me seeing meh/medicocre albums lilke illmatic and OB4CL rated as if they're equal or above to near perfect albums like MATW,doggystyle,death certificate,the chronic,nikkaz4life,straight outta compton,AEOM etc. When they're not even close. While albums that are better than those from other coast would never get top shelf props. NOW given the list of east coat albums albums that they DID rate 5 mics. I'd have to put west coast albums like Spice 1's first 2 albums,Life is too short,short dog's in the house,get in where you fit in,cocktales,quik is the name,safe and sound,music to drive by,domino,the predator,amerikkka's nightmare,lethal injection,way 2 fonky,tru true,Ear to the street,G-funk era,livin like hustlas,eazy duz it,thuglife,Strictly 4 my nikkaz,Genocide and juice,it takes a thief,gangsters paradise,we come strapped,in a major way,dogg food,season of da siccness,cypress hill,black sunday,c-bo tales from the crypt,99 ways to die,the click GAME RELATED,etc etc

Now let me be clear. Like I said,I understand bias and why it would exist. I'm making it an issue cause nikkas act like it doenst exist.

 

[DaveyDave]

How you gonna downplay Illmatic and OB4CL as if they're Ill Al Scratch but turn around and say G Funk Era and Lethal Injection deserves 5 mics or classic status?

 

[DANJ!]

How you gonna downplay Illmatic and OB4CL as if they're Ill Al Scratch but turn around and say G Funk Era and Lethal Injection deserves 5 mics or classic status?

And not one, but two COOLIO albums?

C-Bo?

Domino?

Those are albums that shoulda got 5 mics to you?

Oh ok...

Call Illmatic and OB4CL mediocre while sayin' Coolio got two classics, brehs. I guess cause Coolio's shyt got hits on it, it's a 5 right...

 

[bigbadbossup2012]

How you gonna downplay Illmatic and OB4CL as if they're Ill Al Scratch but turn around and say G Funk Era and Lethal Injection deserves 5 mics or classic status?

Because g-funk era and lethal injection are better albums. I fuk with ill al scratch,by the way. I'll take her,where my homies was the shyt.
I'd put these songs over illmatic and on4cl any day


Ice Cube - Lethal Injection (1993) BUY NOW!

Track Lyrics
1 The Shot (Intro)
2 Really Doe
3 Ghetto Bird
4 You Know How We Do It
5 Cave bytch
6 Bop Gun (One Nation)
7 What Can I Do?
8 Lil Ass Gee
9 Make it Ruff, Make it Smooth
10 Down for Whatever
11 Enemy
12 When I Get to Heaven


Warren G g-funk era

1. "Regulate" (featuring Nate Dogg) 4:10
2. "Do You See" 3:59
3. "Gangsta Sermon" (featuring B-Tip and Ricky Harris) 0:36
4. "Recognize" (featuring The Twinz) 2:59
5. "Super Soul Sis" (featuring Jah Skills) 2:56
6. "'94 Ho Draft" (featuring B-Tip and Ricky Harris) 1:00
7. "So Many Ways" (featuring Wayniac and Lady Levi) 3:24
8. "This D.J." (featuring O.G.L.B.) 3:23
9. "This Is the Shack" (featuring The Dove Shack) 4:05
10. "What's Next" (featuring Mr. Malik) 3:26
11. "And Ya Don't Stop" 3:22
12. "Runnin' wit No Breaks" (featuring Jah Skills, Bo Roc, G Child and The Twinz) 3:32

And it's funny you're doing the same shyt I accused them of. Acting as if i'm going off the deep end.
Now I know warren is not great MC but his 1st album was dope music and lethal injection was a very good album though not cube's best. Itwas still better than a bunch of other nikkas.
Now i'm about to bring sales into it,not because sales = quality but to make a point of public response.
Warren G was certified double plat in less than 3 months and triple plat one year after he came out.
Cube was certified plat in less than 3 months.

Illmatic took 9 months to go gold and 7 1/2 years to go plat
According to RIAA.com , OB4CL is still gold
I've heard reports that it went plat but i'm sure if it did it wasnt in a timely fashion.
If those albums were popping like that,then why is this the case?
Vs these 2 albums you just dismissed?
Why did Da Brat (a fellow new artist in 94') go plat in 7 months while illmatic took 7 years.
My point is this. I believe east coast purists created a false narrative of what truly went down with hiphop out of spite of other regions success and I despise it.

 

[bouncy]

40oz and all that shyt is that just beer or what? they don't sell that stuff down here

Beer

 

[bouncy]

Because g-funk era and lethal injection are better albums. I fuk with ill al scratch,by the way. I'll take her,where my homies was the shyt.
I'd put these songs over illmatic and on4cl any day


Ice Cube - Lethal Injection (1993) BUY NOW!

Track Lyrics
1 The Shot (Intro)
2 Really Doe
3 Ghetto Bird
4 You Know How We Do It
5 Cave bytch
6 Bop Gun (One Nation)
7 What Can I Do?
8 Lil Ass Gee
9 Make it Ruff, Make it Smooth
10 Down for Whatever
11 Enemy
12 When I Get to Heaven


Warren G g-funk era

1. "Regulate" (featuring Nate Dogg) 4:10
2. "Do You See" 3:59
3. "Gangsta Sermon" (featuring B-Tip and Ricky Harris) 0:36
4. "Recognize" (featuring The Twinz) 2:59
5. "Super Soul Sis" (featuring Jah Skills) 2:56
6. "'94 Ho Draft" (featuring B-Tip and Ricky Harris) 1:00
7. "So Many Ways" (featuring Wayniac and Lady Levi) 3:24
8. "This D.J." (featuring O.G.L.B.) 3:23
9. "This Is the Shack" (featuring The Dove Shack) 4:05
10. "What's Next" (featuring Mr. Malik) 3:26
11. "And Ya Don't Stop" 3:22
12. "Runnin' wit No Breaks" (featuring Jah Skills, Bo Roc, G Child and The Twinz) 3:32

And it's funny you're doing the same shyt I accused them of. Acting as if i'm going off the deep end.
Now I know warren is not great MC but his 1st album was dope music and lethal injection was a very good album though not cube's best. Itwas still better than a bunch of other nikkas.
Now i'm about to bring sales into it,not because sales = quality but to make a point of public response.
Warren G was certified double plat in less than 3 months and triple plat one year after he came out.
Cube was certified plat in less than 3 months.

Illmatic took 9 months to go gold and 7 1/2 years to go plat
According to RIAA.com , OB4CL is still gold
I've heard reports that it went plat but i'm sure if it did it wasnt in a timely fashion.
If those albums were popping like that,then why is this the case?
Vs these 2 albums you just dismissed?
Why did Da Brat (a fellow new artist in 94') go plat in 7 months while illmatic took 7 years.
My point is this. I believe east coast purists created a false narrative of what truly went down with hiphop out of spite of other regions success and I despise it.

I agree with a lot of what you wrote but you have to remember, those albums sold so well was because of two things. They had big company push behind them(very important) and they were all following the coattails of west coast being the king at the time. And the west coast was king because of being so different, with the cursing, and violence. This was unheard of in entertainment. Once people got used to it, and that became the norm, you notice the sales started slacking because it became about the music again, at least more then before. A lot of east coast artists wasn't doing the west coast sound with the whiney synthesizers or rapping about bloods, and crops. That also helped because people were intrigued about gang culture. In other words it wasn't really the music, but everything that surrounded it. That is also the time rappers started needing a story of hardship to sell their albums. Its funny because everything about rap that we see now, started around the mid 90's with the west coast. The gang affiliations, the being a "real thug" rapper. The pimp shyt. And the electronic sound.

As far as those songs sounding better, I don't agree with that. They all sound good just different vibes. Depending on your vibe, one song would be better then the others. If I want to feel relaxed on a nice day, "you know how we do it" will be my jam. If I want to feel that intelligent thug shyt, "Criminology" will be my shyt. One is not better then the other, if the songs are good, just different.

 

[DaveyDave]

Beer

I spose its just like long neck basically lol but a lot fukkin cheaper

 

[Ronnie Lott]

It's interesting how stuck on this type of shyt people are... at this point, I really think people from outside the East Coast obsess over this more than any of the "East Coast biased" people do...

First off, nobody (from that era at least) gives a shyt about what something sold... some of the most liked albums from that era didn't sell shyt. Sales and radio play meant jackshyt to people from that era of rap, because some of the best albums of that time were barely going gold, while some of the wackest shyts were going platinum (Hammer, Vanilla Ice, Marky Mark, Young MC, etc) Sales (for the most part) is a moot point when discussing early-90s hip-hop.

There's also this thing people used to do, called having their own opinion. There are some who still exist, who actually determine what they think of as a classic, based on what THEY THINK and how the music was TO THEM at that time... not who else bought it or how much radio play it got. Strange, I know.

I really didn't know people had hangups about this coastal shyt, like 20+ years later...

You're not being honest if you think that west coast albums were given the same fair shake/promotion/radio play as easy coast artists back then

 

[bigbadbossup2012]

I agree with a lot of what you wrote but you have to remember, those albums sold so well was because of two things. They had big company push behind them(very important) and they were all following the coattails of west coast being the king at the time. And the west coast was king because of being so different, with the cursing, and violence. This was unheard of in entertainment. Once people got used to it, and that became the norm, you notice the sales started slacking because it became about the music again, at least more then before. A lot of east coast artists wasn't doing the west coast sound with the whiney synthesizers or rapping about bloods, and crops. That also helped because people were intrigued about gang culture. In other words it wasn't really the music, but everything that surrounded it. That is also the time rappers started needing a story of hardship to sell their albums. Its funny because everything about rap that we see now, started around the mid 90's with the west coast. The gang affiliations, the being a "real thug" rapper. The pimp shyt. And the electronic sound.

As far as those songs sounding better, I don't agree with that. They all sound good just different vibes. Depending on your vibe, one song would be better then the others. If I want to feel relaxed on a nice day, "you know how we do it" will be my jam. If I want to feel that intelligent thug shyt, "Criminology" will be my shyt. One is not better then the other, if the songs are good, just different.

Bullshyt excuse. I seen multiple videos from both those albums in regular rotation back then. People just wasn't fukkin with them like that. U got nikkas like too short who's 1993 album was damn never getting video rotation and yet he went plat. Stop the bullshyt. Its nikkas that really had no push or video rotation that did similar numbers. No passes for them nikkas

 

[bigbadbossup2012]

Also nikkas like ice t whom I forgot to name went gold often while never getting rotation outside of NEW JACK HUSTLER and maybe colors

 

[DaveyDave]

Also nikkas like ice t whom I forgot to name went gold often while never getting rotation outside of NEW JACK HUSTLER and maybe colors

but has Ice T ever had a true classic ALBUM? the closest IMO would be OG. but it came out in 91, as did De La Soul Is Dead, De La def has the better album IMO. Too Short does not have 3-4 classic albums, not many rappers do. Short knew his lane & did it extremely well but that doesn't automatically mean every album is a classic.

you're talking about Da Brat and Ice Cube going plat quickly. first of all no one is claiming Da Brat has a classic album and if you do then that's just stupid. Cube went plat quickly because a) it was good music, b) Cube was an established act, already well known to produce great and popular music. you're throwing out "good" and even "great" albums but "classic" should be on that next level, there's a reason why albums like AmeriKKKa's Most Wanted & Aquemini got 5 mics on their first round. Lethal Injection brought nothing new to the game, didn't top what Cube had already done and was riding the coat tails of the G Funk era, much like Warren G though he had some great songs again overall i don't think it's a classic ALBUM.