So the albums you listed only merit 5 mics because east coast albums that you don't like, got 5 mics?? So you're admitting that these albums don't deserve 5 mics on their own.
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bigbadbossup2012
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No I don't think most of them deserve 5 mics. But I think they're better than alot of east albums that were given 5 mics. I don't respect moving the goal post which they've clearly done.. I don't think you need to be perfect to be a classic. Thuglife is classic but MATW is better. Warren g is classic. But doggystyle is better. Stillmatic is classic but has a couple flaws.
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Video rotation is not really promotion. It helps but that is not what makes an album sell. Promotion is going to every city, doing promotional shows(you get no money from them) getting on radio, having posters or stickers to give out. Then you have to have a good promotions team that will do what needs to be done, and that costs money. The person who has the right connections, and money, will have access to more fans.
I did promotions for a quick second, and saw exactly how things went. The more crazy(gangsta) you were, the more promotion you got, if you had music that wasn't straight up wack. Or if you were affiliated with whoever or what area was hot at the time.
Truth be told, if it wasn't for magazines like the source, I doubt NYC would have came back from the west coast reign because major labels weren't putting money behind east coast artists, and if they were, the artists sounded pop, soft, or west coast, and that didn't sell in NYC at the time, for the most part. You wouldn't have know about most of these artists unless you were from their area or had the box, and even then that was manipulated by labels calling up and playing their artists.
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And why? You know, just like I do. He was the first to talk crazy gangsta shyt, and the album covers helped.
You are forgetting that cursing, saying nikka every five seconds, and talking about sex explicitly was not done before all these artists you keep naming, so people wanted to hear a lot of it, so they sold albums. Once it became norm, they stopped selling, and everyone went looking for the new thing. It doesn't mean the music wasn't good, just not great. That was the start of rap music using gimmicks to sell records.
You are also forgetting NYC was home of bootlegging, and caused a lot of east coast artists from doing big numbers. I went all up and down the east coast back then, and no place had bootleggers on every corner like NYC did. It died down around 93/94 and that is exactly when east coast "came back" with album sales. By 96 shyt started getting crazy because labels saw their money coming back, so they didn't mind spending money on the east coast sound.
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bigbadbossup2012
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@lotty you're just making excuses. Other nikkas were making better music and outselling because of it. The same radio stations,video channels magazines that were pushing west coast or others,were also pushing them east coast failure projects also. Them nikkas just couldnt cut it. nikkas gonna pretend that there werent gangsta grimey east coast rappers that were flopping while the WC was flourishing. This is the exact shyt i'm talking about.
nikkas was flopping cause they were not being enjoyed as much as the others.
The east came back because nikkas like Puffy whom was not a hater,looked at mc hammer and wanted to be a variation of what he was.
Biggie and puff brought the east coast back by making catchy gangsta music ala west coast but with an east coast flavor to the album cuts.
Nas flopped then did the same type of shyt" known sample,singer (popular at the time) on the hook and made a cross over song.
Jay did the same thing.
THAT'S WHY nikkaS CAME BACK.
And although dmx did his shyt different,he came up intertwined in that circle as well.
Stop fukking lying nikka.
nikkas wanna blame east coast bootlegging for wack nationwide sales.
You nikkas are pathetic.
nikkas was flopping cause they were not being enjoyed as much as the others.
The east came back because nikkas like Puffy whom was not a hater,looked at mc hammer and wanted to be a variation of what he was.
Biggie and puff brought the east coast back by making catchy gangsta music ala west coast but with an east coast flavor to the album cuts.
Nas flopped then did the same type of shyt" known sample,singer (popular at the time) on the hook and made a cross over song.
Jay did the same thing.
THAT'S WHY nikkaS CAME BACK.
And although dmx did his shyt different,he came up intertwined in that circle as well.
Stop fukking lying nikka.
nikkas wanna blame east coast bootlegging for wack nationwide sales.
You nikkas are pathetic.
I see you fell for the record label bullshyt also!
I don't know what to tell you but what I seen
Its funny how people really think its just the music that dictate record sales. I was just like you until I actually was in the heart of it. The shyt left me jaded after a while, but the love came back when I left the shyt. All of this entertainment shyt is fake. You do have some artists who really love what they are doing, but too many are just label puppets. Its the labels who dictate who will be a star, in most cases, not all. You ever asked why was someone hot, and then they were gone? It isn't because the music got bad, its because the label didn't like them anymore, and moved on. They are cool with the magazine writers, and have you believe it was for other reasons, and try to dictate to you what is the new hot thing. I hate to say it but, if people who are 21 yrs. Old, and up, and still follow what's hot, I don't blame!e them for getting that sucker money.
You never wondered why the same routine has been happening in music as far as what artists look!like, what their videos look like, how their songs sound, and what type of artists are always in mainstream media? Its because that formula is the easiest buck to make.
But, believe what you want
Everything you mentioned is the surface, not the real reasons. Yes, those things played a part but, it was mostly business decisions. For example, Nas did the song with Lauryn hill because the fugees just sold 10 million albums, and she was on the label. Who wouldn't do that? It was easy money. YOU just saw a female singing on the hook, but that was just to get the females, since r&b was merging with rap, and labels wanted to get crossover appeal. Now we see why they did it, it was because instead of having to pay for different forms of!black music they merged both into the "urban" market or the "hip hop" market. Right now, the black music department is small as hell, and that is if a label has one. When west coast came around with the singing, that ushered in the fall of rap, and the beginning of "urban" music. I love a lot !of west coast but, it is what it is.
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Ever since you posted in here, you been talkin' about sales while sayin' you know sales don't = quality.
So either you do know that, or you don't. Pick a side, bruh. Cause every time you got a "point" to illustrate, you start talkin' about what didn't sell, or what was better cause it was sellin'. And whole time, you're doin' the same thing you accuse East Coasters of doing... biggin' up a bunch of aiiight shyt and sayin' it should be called classic. You don't know whether you comin' or goin' in this thread with all this "boo hoo, big bad New York treated everybody so bad" shyt... this is just gettin' corny now. This is like a victim complex nikkas have, where y'all just feel snubbed by everything. I never see NY nikkas cryin' about how come Black Moon never got a 5, or how come Midnight Marauders didn't get 5. It's always a nikka from elsewhere whinin' about 20-year-old albums by nikkas like Coolio and Domino and Warren G...
bigbadbossup2012
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Trying to shame me or making fun of my stance
Ever since you posted in here, you been talkin' about sales while sayin' you know sales don't = quality.
So either you do know that, or you don't. Pick a side, bruh. Cause every time you got a "point" to illustrate, you start talkin' about what didn't sell, or what was better cause it was sellin'. And whole time, you're doin' the same thing you accuse East Coasters of doing... biggin' up a bunch of aiiight shyt and sayin' it should be called classic. You don't know whether you comin' or goin' in this thread with all this "boo hoo, big bad New York treated everybody so bad" shyt... this is just gettin' corny now. This is like a victim complex nikkas have, where y'all just feel snubbed by everything. I never see NY nikkas cryin' about how come Black Moon never got a 5, or how come Midnight Marauders didn't get 5. It's always a nikka from elsewhere whinin' about 20-year-old albums by nikkas like Coolio and Domino and Warren G...
doesnt devalue or prove my statements wrong. Save that shyt for a weak nikka.
OG is DEFINITELY a classic
bigbadbossup2012
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I'm very aware of the big brainwash machine. WHAT I DONT RESPECT OR ACCEPT is nikkas acting like it was only applicable to everyone but their favorite artists.I see you fell for the record label bullshyt also!
I don't know what to tell you but what I seen
Its funny how people really think its just the music that dictate record sales. I was just like you until I actually was in the heart of it. The shyt left me jaded after a while, but the love came back when I left the shyt. All of this entertainment shyt is fake. You do have some artists who really love what they are doing, but too many are just label puppets. Its the labels who dictate who will be a star, in most cases, not all. You ever asked why was someone hot, and then they were gone? It isn't because the music got bad, its because the label didn't like them anymore, and moved on. They are cool with the magazine writers, and have you believe it was for other reasons, and try to dictate to you what is the new hot thing. I hate to say it but, if people who are 21 yrs. Old, and up, and still follow what's hot, I don't blame!e them for getting that sucker money.
You never wondered why the same routine has been happening in music as far as what artists look!like, what their videos look like, how their songs sound, and what type of artists are always in mainstream media? Its because that formula is the easiest buck to make.
But, believe what you want
Everything you mentioned is the surface, not the real reasons. Yes, those things played a part but, it was mostly business decisions. For example, Nas did the song with Lauryn hill because the fugees just sold 10 million albums, and she was on the label. Who wouldn't do that? It was easy money. YOU just saw a female singing on the hook, but that was just to get the females, since r&b was merging with rap, and labels wanted to get crossover appeal. Now we see why they did it, it was because instead of having to pay for different forms of!black music they merged both into the "urban" market or the "hip hop" market. Right now, the black music department is small as hell, and that is if a label has one. When west coast came around with the singing, that ushered in the fall of rap, and the beginning of "urban" music. I love a lot !of west coast but, it is what it is.
Fake nikka fantasy: "my favorite artists from from my favorite region,doing my favorite music didnt sell well cause of bootlegging"
Reality: Bootlegging affects all artists and there have been stands all over america for many years.
It doesnt only affect your favorite low selling artists. I guess we'll pretend these platinum albums from non east coast artists werent all over bootleg stands. Yea it was just ya'll artists. Let's act like pac aint on film in NY addressing a bootlegger selling a platinum digital underground album.
Fake nikka fantasy: "them (west coast) artists were pushed because they were more gangsta"
"When west coast came around with the singing, that ushered in the fall of rap, and the beginning of "urban" music. I love a lot !of west coast but, it is what it is"
Reality: There were east coast nikkas spitting gangsta shyt and flopping like fat joe,kool g rap etc (2 nikkas i fukk with). so we cant just say the gangsta saw the west coast through.
Also east coast nikkas were making hits with singing far before the west coast came in power.
I dont need to go any further.,this shyt is easy to me
nikkas basically wanna move the goalpost to suit them which is very hypocritical.
Use bootlegging as an exclusive excuse for failure
Use "gangster' rhetoric as a exclusive way to downplay others while ignoring the nikkas on their side who was doing the same shyt.
Then lie and pretend it's the west coast fault that singing brought down hiphop
bigbadbossup2012
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You don't know what you are talking about., and you just proved my points
NYC was the biggest bootlegger out of every state combined. I know some people remember Africans on DAMN NEAR EVERY CORNER selling mostly east coast music. You just named digital underground being platinum, which proves my point, EAST COAST OR NYC ARTISTS WERE THE ONES SUFERING FROM THE BOOTLEGGING THE MOST. You would only see a few west coast artists on the stands, and those were the artists who were big already. You rarely, saw white artists being sold. It was mostly east coast rappers, and r&b singers. Even the few that I saw in Atlanta was mostly NYC rappers, and r&b singers. Do you even know why? It was because NYC was the main place east coast rappers were recording, and it was easy to steal the tapes. It was inside jobs. Did you ever by a bootleg tape? If you did, describe how they usually looked.
I don't care that you saw tupacmon 42nd street going at bootleggers. It was waaayyy more then that in NYC.
Secondly, I said the songs that got pushed by major labels from th east coast were either soft, pop, or west coast sounding. Most of the songs you loaded was just that except for Biz markie, and that was not to be taken seriously. The kid n play song " rolling with kid n play" was call and response, not singing. And it was play off of go go music. "Buddy" had singing at the end, not the same as singing on the hooks. You shot your own self, but because you have to be right, you can't even see it.
Thirdly, it is known the singing is what propelled the fall. Why do you think rappers used to complain about it? Being that I was there I know for a fact you don't know what the hell you are talking about.
Fourth, Fat Joe was on relativity, and went gold, right when the bootlegging stopped. Kool g rap, was hit by the bootlegging, and didnt come back out until 2000. I do admit his 4,5,6 album didn't sell like it should have but, by then everyone wasn't crazy about kool g rap anymore, they were onto the new NYC rappers. BTW, that album was bangin', I still listen to it. So many rappers got hit by the bootlegging. Even had a song about it.
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bigbadbossup2012
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Your excuses are awful. And my argument is IRON CLAD.You don't know what you are talking about., and you just proved my points
NYC was the biggest bootlegger out of every state combined. I know some people remember Africans on DAMN NEAR EVERY CORNER selling mostly east coast music. You just named digital underground being platinum, which proves my point, EAST COAST OR NYC ARTISTS WERE THE ONES SUFERING FROM THE BOOTLEGGING THE MOST. You would only see a few west coast artists on the stands, and those were the artists who were big already. You rarely, saw white artists being sold. It was mostly east coast rappers, and r&b singers. Even the few that I saw in Atlanta was mostly NYC rappers, and r&b singers.
I don't care that you saw tupacmon 42nd street going at bootleggers. It was waaayyy more then that in NYC.
Secondly, I said the songs that got pushed by major labels from th east coast were either soft, pop, or west coast sounding. Most of the songs you loaded was just that except for Biz markie, and that was not to be taken seriously. The kid n play song " rolling with kid n play" was call and response, not singing. And it was play off of go go music. "Buddy" had singing at the end, not the same as singing on the hooks. You shot your own self, but because you have to be right, you can't even see it.
Thirdly, it is known the singing is what propelled the fall. Why do you think rappers used to complain about it? Being that I was there I know for a fact you don't know what the hell you are talking about.
Fourth, Fat Joe was on relativity, and went gold, right when the bootlegging stopped. Kool g rap, was hit by the bootlegging, and didnt come back out until 2000. So many rappers got hit by the bootlegging. Even had a song about it.
I put many singing examples so shooting at the easy targets change nothing.
Bootlegging never stopped by the way. Didnt jay stab a nikka over bootlegging? Quit making excuses.
I didnt shoot myself at all. I made a clear point that it wasnt just NY whom got bootlegged,which is a fact.
And nikkas bootleg everywhere,not just NY. You want to act like its a NY problem but it's a general problem.
Man, whatever. I was giving you a pass but, you clearly wasn't there. Anybody who remembers knows the bootlegging was ridiculous. There was no era like it. You bringing up Jay-Z shows you have no idea what was going on. Selling CDs in a store, is nothing like what was happening. When that happened with Jay, the bootlegging era of NYC rap music was long gone.
You are the second person I have argued with about how things were, only to be told some feel good shyt they want to have happened. In that thread others remembered, and exposed that clown. You just exposed yourself
You are the second person I have argued with about how things were, only to be told some feel good shyt they want to have happened. In that thread others remembered, and exposed that clown. You just exposed yourself
bigbadbossup2012
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I exposed the truth,it's pretty clearMan, whatever. I was giving you a pass but, you clearly wasn't there. Anybody who remembers knows the bootlegging was ridiculous. There was no era like it. You bringing up Jay-Z shows you have no idea what was going on. Selling CDs in a store, is nothing like what was happening. When that happened with Jay, the bootlegging era of NYC rap music was long gone.
You are the second person I have argued with about how things were, only to be told some feel good shyt they want to have happened. In that thread others remembered, and exposed that clown. You just exposed yourself