New study exposes acupuncture as pseudoscience

[Dusty Bake Activate]

Qi is a not a medical term. It's a religious/philosophical term. If you have taken an Asian martial art, you are taught that you use your ki when punching, chopping, kicking, striking, etc.. This doesn't mean you mentally focus on putting your blood into your belly while performing the attack. Your blood is flowing involuntarily.

Acupuncture can still show some marginal benefits in certain cases, but the proposed mechanism behind it (qi) is still be pseudoscience, obviously. It is guessed that in instances where acupuncture provides some relief, it can be a placebo, or perhaps due to released endorphins dude to the needle penetration. LeyeT doesn't understand nuance or anything beyond binary ass thinking though.

 

[88m3]

hmm we need to do a podcast on reading comprehension because that's where I see the majority of posters falling short.

 

[Dusty Bake Activate]

hmm we need to do a podcast on reading comprehension because that's where I see the majority of posters falling short.

We should do another one soon. Next Sunday would be a good a good idea. No football.

 

[88m3]

We should do another one soon. Next Sunday would be a good a good idea. No football.

Yeah I'm up. Wanna make a tread today or tomorrow?

 

[Dusty Bake Activate]

Yeah I'm up. Wanna make a tread today or tomorrow?

I just did.

 

[OsO]

It's not "my article," you retard. It's a summation of 3,000 clinical studies and 40 years of medical research on acupuncture. What is not registering in your brain about that? Even if you don't read that particular article, you're not interested in reading actual medical data on acupuncture...all that article is is a statement on the collective conclusions of that data.

You are not interested in knowledge regarding acupuncture at all. That is a fact. If you were, you would actually explore the medical research and clinical trials on acupuncture,which are abundant. You won't do that because you are interested in believing things that make you feel better, like a child who believes in the tooth fairy, as opposed to knowledge for the sake of learning.



You moron.

What you still don't seem to understand is that "x has been done for x amount of years, so therefore it works" is by definition not a logical claim. That goes for acupuncture, bloodletting, gold as main currency, and everything you use this idiotic defense of. People still sacrifice animals in order to try and make crops grow or whatever, and have done so for thousands of years.

Don't talk about logic, because if you took a class on logic, they would teach your dumb ass that that is not logical. It is by definition a logical fallacy, known as "appeal to tradition."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeal_to_tradition



Here's a link broken down to a level that you can understand...maybe.

http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/appeal-to-tradition.html

not only has acupuncture been used successfully for thousands of years, but IT IS STILL SUCCESSFULLY USED TO THIS DAY. acupuncture is not fading out, it is gaining popularity and now starting to gain traction in the mainstream.

i posted above how its recommended by several official medical bodies for certain ailments, that means its most likely NOT just a placebo and has a track record of dependability.

but im sure the report you posted will change the game, and medical institutions like the WHO, and the thousands of acupuncture practitioners around the world, will all stop advocating acupuncture any day now.

 

[OsO]

Qi is a not a medical term. It's a religious/philosophical term. If you have taken an Asian martial art, you are taught that you use your ki when punching, chopping, kicking, striking, etc.. This doesn't mean you mentally focus on putting your blood into your belly while performing the attack. Your blood is flowing involuntarily.

dude im just trying to tell you that your explanation of "releasing pressure" that you described as part of a beneficial health practice, is the same thing energy practitioners do when they "release qi." it's the same exact concept.

 

[unit321]

dude im just trying to tell you that your explanation of "releasing pressure" that you described as part of a beneficial health practice, is the same thing energy practitioners do when they "release qi." it's the same exact concept.

For acupuncturist, they believe that there are particular points in a body that are gateways to other parts of the body. For example, they'll stick a needle in the arm to release qi in the gall bladder or some other whacked out mapping. Whereas in deep-tissue massage, pressure is applied directly to the muscle that is tight, not some other part of the body.

 

[Duckman]

They wanna say all eastern or ancient natural medicine is bad just so they can push western medicine for profit..it's worked for 1000s of years so how can some article debunk it..pretty soon they're gonna say massage therapy is useless and that people should take a pill to for their stress...opps too late

exactly! notice how they say everything outside regulated or mainstream treatment/method is false and they try to debunk it. very sickening.

 

[Brosef]

exactly! notice how they say everything outside regulated or mainstream treatment/method is false and they try to debunk it. very sickening.

"They" try to debunk western treatments all the time too. If you read any medical journal a lot of trials are studies showing that the proposed "new" treatment is actually inferior to what's already being used.

Nobody has anything against acupuncture, it's just that the studies mostly fail to support it's use. If a treatment doesn't show scientific benefit, why should the health care system and taxpayers pay millions of dollars for it when there are many things out there that ARE scientifically proven to work??

 

[godkiller]

I could have you sticking needles in your body doesn't cure illness but what do I know?

 

[unit321]

I've had free acupuncture once. They put two needles into each ear lobe. Didn't do anything for me.

 

[thekingsmen]

"They" try to debunk western treatments all the time too. If you read any medical journal a lot of trials are studies showing that the proposed "new" treatment is actually inferior to what's already being used.

Nobody has anything against acupuncture, it's just that the studies mostly fail to support it's use. If a treatment doesn't show scientific benefit, why should the health care system and taxpayers pay millions of dollars for it when there are many things out there that ARE scientifically proven to work??

1. How does the new study debunk the old one when it clarfies that the new treatment has advanced it's studies? Clearly you don't know what debunk means
2. The studies aren't from Eastern Medicine practitioners but from Western Practitioners who don't know much about acupuncture, nor get the facts behind it and base a conclusion by using Western media outlets to voice their opinion. In Eastern Medicine practice, it is scientifically proven to work.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

we needed a study to do this?

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

They wanna say all eastern or ancient natural medicine is bad just so they can push western medicine for profit..it's worked for 1000s of years so how can some article debunk it..pretty soon they're gonna say massage therapy is useless and that people should take a pill to for their stress...opps too late

exactly! notice how they say everything outside regulated or mainstream treatment/method is false and they try to debunk it. very sickening.

"They" try to debunk western treatments all the time too. If you read any medical journal a lot of trials are studies showing that the proposed "new" treatment is actually inferior to what's already being used.

Nobody has anything against acupuncture, it's just that the studies mostly fail to support it's use. If a treatment doesn't show scientific benefit, why should the health care system and taxpayers pay millions of dollars for it when there are many things out there that ARE scientifically proven to work??

1. Get to know this. They're not the enemy. They just want shyt to work...and a lot of this shyt is bullshyt. Trust me, if they find stuff that works, they'll get behind it http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Center_for_Complementary_and_Alternative_Medicine

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