New York Rappers Get Catapulted Into Greatness With The Smallest Sample Size

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So tell me the east coast albums that weren't across the board celebrated as 5 mics...then tell me the west coast albums that should have got that 5.
Naw,you're too brainwashed to see it,i'll stick with blatant facts.
Facts like out of every west coast act or album EVER RELEASED,THE ONLY ONE to get 5 mics OUT THE GATE,was the bomb squad produced amerika's most wanted. Nothing else. OUT of allllllllllllllllll them albums.
 

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hahahahah @ dipset being better than quik by a wide margin. DJ Quik worked on more classic records and did more for Hip Hop than the whole Dip Set collective. Top 10 diss song of all time, his own classic solo, production on classic albums.......fukking absurd, im laughing super hard for real. You can put Cam and Jim Jones albums together as one and they still don't have a better catalog than DJ Quik.

Let your fan boyism cloud your brain like @wackyd, brehs.


i know it hurt your heart to read that but its true. dj quik is moreso a regional legend.

outside of his diss tracks & his 1st album, most of the stuff he does is corny. not saying its wack, its just corny and doesnt reasonate across the board like that.

he may be dr dre status to yall out west, but thats where it stops. and im not talking about his talent(hes more skilled than dre), im talking about the product.



Fair enough

Frankly Jadakiss and Jacka are actually not that different at all as far as lyrical content so I lightweight don't see how you can think one is nice but not the other.


because content is not a skill.

its merely a preference.
 

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i know it hurt your heart to read that but its true. dj quik is moreso a regional legend.

outside of his diss tracks & his 1st album, most of the stuff he does is corny. not saying its wack, its just corny and doesnt reasonate across the board like that.

he may be dr dre status to yall out west, but thats where it stops. and im not talking about his talent(hes more skilled than dre), im talking about the product.

Bruh you talking about "corny" in a comparison that includes Dipset. How many corny songs Juelz Santana done made? How many corny songs Jim Jones done made? Lol

None of them Dipset nikkas have a run comparable with Quik's The Name, Way 2 Fonky, Safe + Sound, Rhythm-Al-Ism and Balance & Options in terms of critical success or commercial success. Period.


because content is not a skill.

its merely a preference.

I'm gon agree to disagree. Jacka been consigned by plenty of east coast lyricists so I'm gon chalk it up to you don't vibe with bruh music like that.
 

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Naw,you're too brainwashed to see it,i'll stick with blatant facts.
Facts like out of every west coast act or album EVER RELEASED,THE ONLY ONE to get 5 mics OUT THE GATE,was the bomb squad produced amerika's most wanted. Nothing else. OUT of allllllllllllllllll them albums.
So you got nothing?

Your analysis of the source's ratings is incomplete and misleading. The Source was pretty loose with giving 5 mics for two years, 1990 and 1991. In those two years, Cube got 5 for AMW. What other west coast albums during that time, were rated, didn't get a 5, but you maintain now, should have got 5? I'll give you Death Certificate, but it got a 4.5.
Then from 92-97 - nobody got 5 except for Nas. That includes multiple classic east coast albums that got 4.5. Enter the 36, Midnight Marauders (got a 4), Ready to Die, Infamous, OBFCL.

So where is the bias?
 

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So you got nothing?

Your analysis of the source's ratings is incomplete and misleading. The Source was pretty loose with giving 5 mics for two years, 1990 and 1991. In those two years, Cube got 5 for AMW. What other west coast albums during that time, were rated, didn't get a 5, but you maintain now, should have got 5? I'll give you Death Certificate, but it got a 4.5.
Then from 92-97 - nobody got 5 except for Nas. That includes multiple classic east coast albums that got 4.5. Enter the 36, Midnight Marauders (got a 4), Ready to Die, Infamous, OBFCL.

So where is the bias?

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So you got nothing?

Your analysis of the source's ratings is incomplete and misleading. The Source was pretty loose with giving 5 mics for two years, 1990 and 1991. In those two years, Cube got 5 for AMW. What other west coast albums during that time, were rated, didn't get a 5, but you maintain now, should have got 5? I'll give you Death Certificate, but it got a 4.5.
Then from 92-97 - nobody got 5 except for Nas. That includes multiple classic east coast albums that got 4.5. Enter the 36, Midnight Marauders (got a 4), Ready to Die, Infamous, OBFCL.

So where is the bias?
I have plenty. But you and your bias will dismiss such albums and it goes round and round. So fukk it. fukk giving my opinion. I'll stick to facts.
1. Of the nine west coast albums that got five mics, they're centered around PAC, two, cube, two, Dre, two, a group feat Dre & cube, 1. Then rounded out with two other Dre protege's snoop and d.o.c.

2, out of all the west coast albums that dropped in history, only one got five mics out the gate. It was produced by east coast producers.

3, every west coast album that made the five mics list eventually were albums that had to have instant commercial appeal to go along with whatever critical appeal they decided to give props for.

NO OPINIONS, JUST FACTS.

Meanwhile the east coast albums on the list have a number of albums that initially did not do much at all,Some still havent done much and it consists of an assorted variation of characters.


If you truly believe the only classic west coast albums were by dre,three of his understudy's,cube,snoop,doc and a signee (2pac),then you're PART OF THE PROBLEM.
But do you.
 

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I know it's borderline a waste of time to argue with a guy who is going to spend his entire post telling everyone that no one listened to Quik but then is an expert on Quik's catalog so we will go ahead.....

For the record I like Dipset, I have Dipset records in my vinyl collection, and own every album Cam has ever put out in some way shape or form.

i know it hurt your heart to read that but its true. dj quik is moreso a regional legend.

It doesn't hurt my hear that you are delusional. We've been posting on the same board forever breh.

Let's just for Wacky arguments sake that Quik is local to every thing west of Texas, Dipset is ONLY tri state. Their album is not mentioned among all time classics but Quik's are. No one over the age of 40 is talking about The Dipset album like it needs to be put up there with All Eyez on Me and Muddy Waters :snoop:

It's ridiculous for you to sit and argue that vast amounts of people into Hip Hop are not familiar with Quik when he has been making records since 1989. Juelz and Jim Jones don't even make music anymore.


outside of his diss tracks & his 1st album, most of the stuff he does is corny. not saying its wack, its just corny and doesnt reasonate across the board like that.

His first album isn't even his best album :snoop:

Sorry breh, Rhytalism and Safe + Sound are GREAT albums. MUCH better than the Dipset album both sonically, production wise, and rhyming wise. He took care of all of it and they did not so I don't see how you want to give them more credit.

You clearly are not familiar with his catalog or your ear itself is corny if these are corny tracks :snoop:













This came out in 1989, I believe before you even attended pre-school...



I could go on and on....I don't think you are familiar with his catalog either on the production or rapping tip honestly. I know you are going to claim to have listened to his catalog but it's clear you haven't and according to you, no one else out there did.

he may be dr dre status to yall out west, but thats where it stops. and im not talking about his talent(hes more skilled than dre), im talking about the product.

So is that why Jadakiss, Jay-z, Erick Sermon, Talib Kweli, 8Ball and MJG all have beats/ songs with him? To where it stops that he is any good out west and only 'regional' ????


You can continue to ignore that if you want but it just sounds like you don't know Quik's music well but want to speak like an expert :yeshrug:




because content is not a skill.

its merely a preference.

Not really. It takes more time to write a song telling a vivid story than it does to put together a typical Juelz verse where you are rhyming simple words together that do nothing more than say how gangsta you are.

The only 'preference' part of it is whether you personally like it. I like Juelz Nazi nazi copy papi rhymes because they make me laugh but is it beter than Nature Of A Threat verse? No. Quality is not some eye of the beholder in every instance. That is why the quality build of a mercedes is nicer than a Lexus. It isn't because you like Mercedes better, it's because it is better. There is a big difference between a national geographic video and some kid taking his smart phone to the forest. It's not what Wacky D gets more giggles out of that dictates that one is better than the other.
 
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see this that chit i dont like. trying to clown people with silly gifs, especially when YOURE the one thats talking out your ass.

thats when i stop talking to people. same reason why i ignored you on the rakim topic, cuz you got snotty. now youre sitting there talking to yourself about how rakim supposedly got his whole style from jazz. smh.

have fun reveling in ignorane buddy.

lol @ redman & ghostface being more influential than jadakiss.

:russ:Oh okay.

You aint have no answer, so now you're on some "high-road" shyt.

:camby:
 

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Dipset is ONLY tri state. Their album is not mentioned among all time classics but Quik's are.

No one over the age of 40 is talking about The Dipset album like it needs to be put up there


i stopped reading right there. you have no clue what youre talking about buddy.

and lol @ dj quik having all-time classics. REGIONAL PRIDE AT ITS FINEST.

and the "wacky is delusional" talk on here, always only comes from the people that aint from it.:whistle:

i wasnt delusional when i was saying what i said about the east coast. but let me call a spade on one of your regional kings and you come out of nowhere hurling insults. you dudes are worse than the dreaded new yorkers that you complain about. only difference is that people actually care about what new yorkers think. thats the REAL issue yall have with them.

and then you proceed to post a bunch of dj quik "classics" that made no noise across the board whatsoever.
 
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Actually I stated facts and you chose to bypass those and seek my opinion. Facts are more valuable
Your argument presupposes that there were multiple 5 mic west coast albums from 1990-1991 (again, the period when the Source was loose with giving out 5 mics). You've been asked to identify those albums. You haven't.
You have to support your argument that there was bias, by identifying the instances of bias. If there were no other west coast albums that deserved 5 mics in 1990-1991(other than Death Certificate), then there is no bias.
The ball is in your court.
 
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