"nice guys aren't really nice" is a Cop out women use

[MoonGoddess]

 

[philmonroe]

i can understand the saying..."nice guys aren't really nice".....it's all about displaying a certain image in order to get something from a woman....a lot of men don't value women as individuals....it's gotten to the point where i can tell a lot about a man ....by one simple indicator....if he's ok with being friends with a woman...first and foremost


cause a man who is willing to be friends with you first and foremost....shows that he is willing to look at you as an individual first and foremost.....

it's not simply a coincidence that the friendship between a man and woman is the foundation of a marriage..a life long commitment that is beyond the superficial....and marriage is what i'm interested in

You believe this stuff? Most dudes aren't really willing to be real friends with chicks as we get older because what's the point? We usually don't have the same stuff in common, do the same activities, etc. Now maybe if she can hook you up with her single friends, y'all go out buddies, or maybe y'all have common interest but that's not the norm at all. Let's be real how many people in general have an actual best friend of the opposite sex that sex hasn't been on the mind with them? Hell how many even have people of the opposite sex as their best friend period?

You do realize that this can be done under the guise of friendship right? As a matter of fact, that's basically what the nice guy does.

Guys don't marry or really devote much time or effort to women that they don't want to fukk, I don't care how friendly she is. You are right about the importance of friendship but that indicator that you suggested is not a realistic or very effective one. The only true indicator is paying a attention and getting a handle on a guys character.

This ole girl going to get caught in the spin cycle with her views on shyt

Dude, nice guys are actually nice. They're just frustrated, and most nice guys don't try to mask their true intentions, at least I haven't heard of anything like that personally besides these hypothetical situations you've all made up in your head for whatever reason and have decided to share with us. Good gentlemen do approach women and they make their intentions VERY clear, it's just that when a woman rejects him and goes for a guy who's good for nothing and has nothing they do tend to get a bit frustrated, not from it happening once, but the fact that it happens constantly. It's a re-occurring thing, it happens over and over. And yes some men do use the internet for an outlet to vent their frustrations, but it's natural. I honestly, think that it's wrong for women to try and point the finger back at men for their choices.

FOH this is all stupidity right here. Frustrated smdh. If they frustrated they have nobody to blame but their damn selves for being so wack. nikkas out here sounding just like chicks she did me wrong so I had to go rogue ass nikkas.

Okay so she has the right to chose who she fukks as long as he consents I get that, but what's this shyt about deserving? Just cause a dude doesn't measure up to a woman's standards he doesn't "deserve" p*ssy, or her p*ssy at least? fukk that shyt, yeah I agree she should be able to chose who she fukks as long as the dude wants to fukk her as well but honestly it doesn't make her p*ssy anymore valuble just cause she thinks you're too ugly to smash.

He don't deserve p*ssy just like a person doing nothing don't deserve money. fukk kind of world you living in buddy? Stay off them drugs

He's not a nice guy if he thinks his niceness should be rewarded with sexual favors. the biggest problem with these "nice guys" are they are timid and passive aggresive especially with females they like. They don't want to scare her off by coming on too strong, but she thinking he's not interested because he's not making any moves. If he gets an aggresive chick she'll more than likely scare him. And as far carrying on a behavior that doesn't work thats just what people do.

Some dudes scarred to be rejected so they go the sucker route then go bytchy when they don't get what they want.

 

[GrindtooFilthy]

Most single moms aren't going to sit down and tell you about the "ugly/dark side" of females.

and it's true my moms been married to my dad for like 20 yrs and she always tell me females ain't shyt

 

[Still Benefited]

So when the girl at the cafe gives you an extra muffin or the girl at the office offers favors to help you, but stops after a while when she sees you aren't feeling her back, was she being "fake nice" too

Yes,but i may or may not appreciate depending on whether or not she keeps it up...women say "Ill be submissive once i find a man worthy" all the time....she is a fake submissive.

Im fake not cheating on my girl as we speak,bcuz in reality I want to.

most people have something they fake doing to please the person they with thats not natural....I will say plenty of guys who say they are nice,really are nice.

Ive never been called "too nice",but i am nice to members of my family and friends,s/o's i cared about....Ive also had sum of these people think they could play me cuz we fam,or take advantage.

I dont think its fair to say i wasnt nice becuz i noticed my niceness wasnt either appreciated or reciprocated is it? maybe it is,but it dont feel like it should be.

I think its okay for nice guys to get frustrated and still be considered nice.....if chicks they deal with keep saying they want nice guys,then those women tell them too nice...how long before dude decides to try to be a fake "azzhole" which will fail miserably

If you a nice guy crying you might be a puzzy,but i dont know if i would call them fake nice guys....why would theh be fake nice guys when they feel thats whats not getting them puzzy?theyve seen time and time again you cant nice your way into puzzy..

 

[12345A]

You believe this stuff? Most dudes aren't really willing to be real friends with chicks as we get older because what's the point? We usually don't have the same stuff in common, do the same activities, etc. Now maybe if she can hook you up with her single friends, y'all go out buddies, or maybe y'all have common interest but that's not the norm at all. Let's be real how many people in general have an actual best friend of the opposite sex that sex hasn't been on the mind with them? Hell how many even have people of the opposite sex as their best friend period?

This ole girl going to get caught in the spin cycle with her views on shyt

FOH this is all stupidity right here. Frustrated smdh. If they frustrated they have nobody to blame but their damn selves for being so wack. nikkas out here sounding just like chicks she did me wrong so I had to go rogue ass nikkas.

He don't deserve p*ssy just like a person doing nothing don't deserve money. fukk kind of world you living in buddy? Stay off them drugs

Some dudes scarred to be rejected so they go the sucker route then go bytchy when they don't get what they want.

They're not to blame, it's just a matter of circumstances. Are you a woman? You actually sound pretty angry as if this conversation strikes. Also you're the true definition of a simp if you compare a man receiving sex from a woman to financial compensation and the fact that you do makes me question rather an adult or a naive child is addressing me.

 

[philmonroe]

They're not to blame, it's just a matter of circumstances. Are you a woman? You actually sound pretty angry as if this conversation strikes. Also you're the true definition of a simp if you compare a man receiving sex from a woman to financial compensation and the fact that you do makes me question rather an adult or a naive child is addressing me.

Are you a woman? Failure boy you can't sound angry on an online messageboard with only typing try again. I'm not the true definition of simp but I'm the true definition of no excuses. I'm not comparing shyt its the truth and you can use all the bytch like insults you want doesn't change shyt. You the one who don't get girls but keep caping up for grown dudes for no reason. Maybe you want to switch teams slugger.

 

[Godless Socialist CEO]

Well it wasn't meant to be attack mode. And it was less about your specific post as much as the general, prevailing attitude that men say about women not wanting nice men. It simply isn't true. Like I already said, there's a lot more factors and parameters that have to be met for you to get into a relationship with someone than there is for you to have casual sex with them. Wouldn't you agree? If that is the case, why is it hard to believe or a testament to anything besides the nature of what he's looking for, that he is having a harder time getting what he wants than you what you want?

Yet I've seen men on many different occasions who hit on what girls want from a guy get by women because he was too boring or too nice. Educated, great communicator, good looking, knows how to get along with damn near anyone. All of us in our group guys and girls would for him in a heartbeat but he just keeps catching L's.... He's not the only guy I've seen this happen too either..... This isn't just some one time thing.

I agree that there are many things that have to fall into place for a relationship especially for me who has no desire to date any woman at least from this country atm vs just having casual sex with a woman. The problem is you hear women do the piss and moan about how they're "no good men". Hell they run to the good men to whine about how shytty their boyfriends treat them or how the new guy isn't picking up her calls....... Now if a woman mistreats me or doesn't pick up my calls she gets the phone number, facebook, snapchat.... everything gets deleted. As far I'm concerned she went out with the Dodo Bird, and I don't give them another chance either, but women continue to give those men chances..... Then when shyt doesn't work out the song and dance starts up about how "Men aint shyt, or I'm not dating because all guys are awful or How there are no good guys out there or All men are dogs...etc". This is a common theme amongst the majority of women I've come into contact with. I find it fascinating that all of them continue to expose themselves to that kind of disrespect when you can see the dudes around them who would actually treat them right but they wouldn't give the time of day because................... wait for it...............WAIT FOR IT....................................WAIT FOR IT............... THEY JUST THINK OF HIM AS A FRIEND. Even after he has admitted his feelings or attempted a play for her he's still just a friend. BTW I'm not talking about "Let's hook up or You should have sex with me" I'm talking about "Why don't you let me take you out sometime, or hey we get along great let's see how a date would go". Good enough to spend a ton of time around, good enough to bytch moan to about everything under the sun.... Not good enough to take her on a date. I call those men "Emotional Cum Rags", and when they bytch to me I inform them of what the situation is.... and they don't listen.

The reason I hold the opinion I do is because time and time again the theme of women allowing men to treat them like shyt and get away with happens. Hell I've had women friends I've told over and over to stop talking to the dude and they just don't listen AND I NEVER UNDERSTAND WHY. I know the game, and I know how it works why would she ask me for advice and then not take it?

I've seen it happen to both my women and men friends. That's the reason I hold this opinion. You say it's not true.... but I'm constantly bombarded with examples that prove otherwise and rarely see the other side where women actually do go after genuinely good guys....

 

[Mr. Negative]

And you don't think his "L's" have anything to do with maintaining long term relationships being inherently more difficult and requiring more factors than just having sex with whoever and moving on?

I mean flip the argument. Many women are legitimately looking for a relationship and are probably also constantly taking L's. What does that say about men and what they like? Or does it suddenly not say anything about the opposite sex at all, and instead is about who that woman in choosing?

I swear, some of you are so biased against any and every perspective besides your own you should be studied.

This is why I'm quick to tell anybody...

True, it may seem like I have no problem with women short term but long term relationships never work out....

but that has everything to do with my taste in women, not the inherent flaws of women.

There's plenty of good girls who were looking for the same things I were out of a relationship.

I passed them up, though.

 

[Rarely-Wrong Liggins]

Yeah you're a coward. Good for you that you've found one small place in this world where you can feel powerful though. This is probably the last thing preventing you from ending what must be an extremely sad life.

Cool.

 

[12345A]

Are you a woman? Failure boy you can't sound angry on an online messageboard with only typing try again. I'm not the true definition of simp but I'm the true definition of no excuses. I'm not comparing shyt its the truth and you can use all the bytch like insults you want doesn't change shyt. You the one who don't get girls but keep caping up for grown dudes for no reason. Maybe you want to switch teams slugger.

Interesting, because I'm making my assumptions of you being angry based on your tone of text, but forgive me for my misinterpretation, perhaps it's just your limited vocabulary and unnecessary use of profanity that makes you seem angry. But no, of course not, because that alone isn't enough to deem someone as angry. Uneducated? Yes. Angry, can't prove it, sort of like the same way you can't prove that I haven't had or am not currently in a relationship with a female, which I also find mildly interesting simply because the only reason you bring up such irrelevant blabber is to use as filler in the fact you lack any kind of rebuttal to justify your ignorance and shortsightedness. And what's even more ironic beyond the fact that I haven't thrown a single insult your way up until now,(all be it very factual insults) is that you claim I use (bytch insults). Now if I know your kind, to someone like you the word "bytch"(how you spell it) is synonymous with female. That being said you're basically implying that I have female tendencies and the Ironic thing is that in the heat of passion(from my observation) it's a female tendency to go off topic and assume someone is attempting to insult you, thus get defensive and "bytch" like and throw insults back. Now I'm not saying all women fit this description, but if you want to call someone a "bytch" in true sense of the word, you my friend are a prime example.

 

[philmonroe]

Interesting, because I'm making my assumptions of you being angry based on your tone of text, but forgive me for my misinterpretation, perhaps it's just your limited vocabulary and unnecessary use of profanity that makes you seem angry. But no, of course not, because that alone isn't enough to deem someone as angry. Uneducated? Yes. Angry, can't prove it, sort of like the same way you can't prove that I haven't had or am not currently in a relationship with a female, which I also find mildly interesting simply because the only reason you bring up such irrelevant blabber is to use as filler in the fact you lack any kind of rebuttal to justify your ignorance and shortsightedness. And what's even more ironic beyond the fact that I haven't thrown a single insult your way up until now,(all be it very factual insults) is that you claim I use (bytch insults). Now if I know your kind, to someone like you the word "bytch"(how you spell it) is synonymous with female. That being said you're basically implying that I have female tendencies and the Ironic thing is that in the heat of passion(from my observation) it's a female tendency to go off topic and assume someone is attempting to insult you, thus get defensive and "bytch" like and throw insults back. Now I'm not saying all women fit this description, but if you want to call someone a "bytch" in true sense of the word, you my friend are a prime example.

My vocabulary is pretty extensive but this is simple Internet discussion so excuse me for,not using all of the queens English for this. Sign of a community college faux smart person though feeling themselves for no reason. Uneducated? That's funny you think you're smarter than me but I guess them community college degrees got morons feeling themselves nowadays. Actually I spelled bytch the right way the coli switches that shyt up on its own at times. Why would I spell it that other way? Any woo all that shyt your talking is non sense babble let me drop some more "uneducated" talk on you clown fukk outta here "bytch"

 

[AITheAnswerAI]

And that fellas is how women admit they're wrong

This is why I say women have just as big an ego as men. If not more so really, because they certainly won't put themselves out there and approach a man, they can't handle that rejection.

 

[philmonroe]

This is why I say women have just as big an ego as men. If not more so really, because they certainly won't put themselves out there and approach a man, they can't handle that rejection.

Yeah they won't do that and hit dudes with the Im "traditional" bullshyt. For ugly guys that's a good thing because if they did a lot of dudes would be out here starving

 

[12345A]

My vocal is pretty extensive but this is simple Internet discussion so excuse me for,not using all of the queens English for this. Sign of a community college faux smart person though feeling themselves for no reason. Uneducated? That's funny you think you're smarter than me but I guess them community college degrees got morons feeling themselves nowadays. Actually I spelled bytch the right way the coli switches that shyt up on its own at times. Why would I spell it that other way? Any woo all that shyt your talking is non sense babble let me drop some more "uneducated" talk on you clown fukk outta here "bytch"

There you go again making assumptions about my education as well, tell me what documentation do you have proving that I attend or have attended a community college? Can you honestly back up anything you post? I can just look at the way you type and play your "dope boy" dialect in my head lol. And please don't be irate with me for criticizing your atrocious English and limited vocabulary. It's just hard to take someone serious when they're up here typing like they're some internet thug. The only reason you refer to my statements concerning your level of education as *babel*(See how it's spelled?) is because you have no rebuttal to anything factual. The negg rep only shows me that you're upset, but then again you shouldn't be upset with me, this is how you've presented yourself I was only being honest with you. You're nothing more than the typical "KeyboredWarrior" who takes the internet to heart. Good luck with all that p*ssy you're getting.

 

[PartyHeart]

Yet I've seen men on many different occasions who hit on what girls want from a guy get by women because he was too boring or too nice. Educated, great communicator, good looking, knows how to get along with damn near anyone. All of us in our group guys and girls would for him in a heartbeat but he just keeps catching L's.... He's not the only guy I've seen this happen too either..... This isn't just some one time thing.

I agree that there are many things that have to fall into place for a relationship especially for me who has no desire to date any woman at least from this country atm vs just having casual sex with a woman. The problem is you hear women do the piss and moan about how they're "no good men". Hell they run to the good men to whine about how shytty their boyfriends treat them or how the new guy isn't picking up her calls....... Now if a woman mistreats me or doesn't pick up my calls she gets the phone number, facebook, snapchat.... everything gets deleted. As far I'm concerned she went out with the Dodo Bird, and I don't give them another chance either, but women continue to give those men chances..... Then when shyt doesn't work out the song and dance starts up about how "Men aint shyt, or I'm not dating because all guys are awful or How there are no good guys out there or All men are dogs...etc". This is a common theme amongst the majority of women I've come into contact with. I find it fascinating that all of them continue to expose themselves to that kind of disrespect when you can see the dudes around them who would actually treat them right but they wouldn't give the time of day because................... wait for it...............WAIT FOR IT....................................WAIT FOR IT............... THEY JUST THINK OF HIM AS A FRIEND. Even after he has admitted his feelings or attempted a play for her he's still just a friend. BTW I'm not talking about "Let's hook up or You should have sex with me" I'm talking about "Why don't you let me take you out sometime, or hey we get along great let's see how a date would go". Good enough to spend a ton of time around, good enough to bytch moan to about everything under the sun.... Not good enough to take her on a date. I call those men "Emotional Cum Rags", and when they bytch to me I inform them of what the situation is.... and they don't listen.

The reason I hold the opinion I do is because time and time again the theme of women allowing men to treat them like shyt and get away with happens. Hell I've had women friends I've told over and over to stop talking to the dude and they just don't listen AND I NEVER UNDERSTAND WHY. I know the game, and I know how it works why would she ask me for advice and then not take it?

I've seen it happen to both my women and men friends. That's the reason I hold this opinion. You say it's not true.... but I'm constantly bombarded with examples that prove otherwise and rarely see the other side where women actually do go after genuinely good guys....

If all the women you know are in shytty relationships (and I assume men too because, y'know...men and women date each other), thats on you. If there is not one example of a good relationship that you can think of in your life, OK. Thats extremely hard to believe, but again, thats your experience. I also wonder if your experience means that you would also say that there are a lot of bad men out there, and not too many good men for women to choose from. Or would the next part of your experience be that all these women are all dating the same one bad man, and passing up the 20 other good ones? You know, the plethora of young men you know intimately enough to know their intentions with women and therefore know they don't want just sex but want a real relationship and are being rejected left and right by women ().

I guess.

My experience has been that that's bullshyt. My experience has been that you're much more likely to have a situation where a guy presents himself in one way to get what he wants, then switches up once he does or after the woman has sufficiently developed feelings for him and might not leave as readily as before. But I will let you tell it that there are far more attractive, educated, great communicators with zero bad faults men out there looking for long term relationships and getting curved, than there are men out there looking for something casual and doing and saying whatever they need to to women to get it.