No, Hope Solo Is Not "Like" Ray Rice

[NYC Rebel]

Oh jesus fukking christ.

I was expecting a white woman, or some black feminist. Especially with those comparisons to black people and racism. This nikka sweats vaginal fluid.

You lost me. How did you tear down the argument he constructed other than complain about it? When white people say blacks are "just as" racist and point out one thing, does it compare to the body of work they've inflicted historically on black people? NO.

So why are we as men treating domestic violence as one and the same because we can point out one thing? That was the basis of his argument...what did you present to deconstruct it?

 

[DeuceCypherUno]

Bullshyt niqqa. Either show me the under reported evidence of men forced to leave their homes because of violent women being anywhere near the degree as the other way around.

Sip thinking the mere existence of something makes things equal. :childplease/

you don't get it do you?

I'm strictly talking abuse. Not any results that may happen from it, genius.

when did I say it was equal? I said it was closer to even than you think

Here's an article:

http://www.theguardian.com/society/2010/sep/05/men-victims-domestic-violence




Men underreport shyt like this. And if they do, some cops act like you and be like "lol yea right"

 

[NYC Rebel]

you don't get it do you?

I'm strictly talking abuse. Not any results that may happen from it, genius.

when did I say it was equal? I said it was closer to even than you think

Here's an article:

http://www.theguardian.com/society/2010/sep/05/men-victims-domestic-violence




Men underreport shyt like this. And if they do, some cops act like you and be like "lol yea right"

You trying to tell me you or your homies got some chick putting the mitts on you?

 

[DeuceCypherUno]

You trying to tell me you or your homies got some chick putting the mitts on you?

posting nationwide numbers got nothing to do with me personally. But no, that's never happened.

 

[NYC Rebel]

This is considered comedy in the islands or in Africa. In the states...y'all niqqas would make a case that this shyt is real.

 

[AITheAnswerAI]

You lost me. How did you tear down the argument he constructed other than complain about it? When white people say blacks are "just as" racist and point out one thing, does it compare to the body of work they've inflicted historically on black people? NO.

So why are we as men treating domestic violence as one and the same because we can point out one thing? That was the basis of his argument...what did you present to deconstruct it?

I don't even know wtf you're saying to me, so i'll just clarify in general terms. He took that typical white route of comparing everything to black people and racism. I don't like that he's referencing rappers and trying to make comparisons to the shyt black people have to put up with in this country. He's trying to point out some double standard by taking that "but but what about black on black crime?" white stance,

Did you notice he said that lynching "was not solely confined to black people"? fukking lynching was damn near invented by white people to use against black people, so again with the minimization of black issues.

He can make his point without bringing in black people, and mentioning rappers and all that. Don't compare punching a woman to all the shyt black people have endured in this damn country,

 

[NYC Rebel]

posting nationwide numbers got nothing to do with me personally. But no, that's never happened.

Nah dog....you want these numbers to be the same so you can make a case that things are "the same."

 

[NYC Rebel]

I don't even know wtf you're saying to me, so i'll just clarify in general terms. He took that typical white route of comparing everything to black people and racism. I don't like that he's referencing rappers and trying to make comparisons to the shyt black people have to put up with in this country. He's trying to point out some double standard by taking that "but but what about black on black crime?" white stance,

Did you notice he said that lynching "was not solely confined to black people"? fukking lynching was damn near invented by white people to use against black people, so again with the minimization of black issues.

He can make his point without bringing in black people, and mentioning rappers and all that. Don't compare punching a woman to all the shyt black people have endured in this damn country,

No he didn't. Where did his argument make that case? He showed that lynchings are at the foot of white folks hurting the black collective. Is that NOT true? If that's the case, how on earth can one look at domestic violence and see that it's not at the feet of men?

 

[DeuceCypherUno]

actually no i dont want any of them numbers to increase

i never said things are the same..I said they exist prevalently in both genders. That's it.

You're arguing that men do more damage per assault. That is true but doesnt invalidate the fact that men are victims of domestic violence.

 

[NYC Rebel]

actually no i dont want any of them numbers to increase

i never said things are the same..I said they exist prevalently in both genders. That's it.

You're arguing that men do more damage per assault. That is true but doesnt invalidate the fact that men are victims of domestic violence.

Then have a honest discussion. Men own this shyt hand over fist. Stop playing the "because I can point out its mere existence, it means it should carry the same gravity" game

 

[NZA]

if we are going to get historical and factor that into our response, hope solo's white privilege is unfairly shielding her from punishments. RR and AP belong to the most legally and socially penalized and stigmatized group in american history.

 

[No_bammer_weed]

if we are going to get historical and factor that into our response, hope solo's white privilege is unfairly shielding her from punishments. RR and AP belong to the most legally and socially penalized and stigmatized group in american history.

Cmon doggy...This supposed discrepancy between Solo and Rice has nothing to do with white privilege, and is simply being raised as a result of right-wing inspired gender-baiting (like their inspired brand of race-baiting, sexual orientation baiting, etc). Solo was charged with the crime in question, and the reason for the soft peddling of sanctions from league officials is the same reason why the NFL initially tried to sweep Rice's actions under the rug --- business. Both leagues want the players on the field because its good for business. These acts of Solo/Rice/AP dont resemble each other at all in severity (further explaining discrepancy in "punishment"), and with the Rice saga both he and the NFL almost got away with it before the video emerged. Furthermore, there is the extra layer of intrigue concerning a potential Goddell cover up, which has given this story legs in the media. I dont know why people are taking the anti-woman, right wing bait here.

 

[NZA]

Cmon doggy...This supposed discrepancy between Solo and Rice has nothing to do with white privilege, and is simply being raised as a result of right-wing inspired gender-baiting (like their inspired brand of race-baiting, sexual orientation baiting, etc). Solo was charged with the crime in question, and the reason for the soft peddling of sanctions from league officials is the same reason why the NFL initially tried to sweep Rice's actions under the rug --- business. Both leagues want the players on the field because its good for business. These acts of Solo/Rice/AP dont resemble each other at all in severity (further explaining discrepancy in "punishment"), and with the Rice saga both he and the NFL almost got away with it before the video emerged. Furthermore, there is the extra layer of intrigue concerning a potential Goddell cover up, which has given this story legs in the media. I dont know why people are taking the anti-woman, right wing bait here.

the thread is more focused on public responses and perception, at least that's what the poll question is asking. i totally agree that sports leagues and corporate sponsors will attempt to hide things before dealing with them. i am focusing on the mostly white disapproval that is intimidating them into action against certain people.

also, hope solo is accused of making her nephew's ear bleed. since she allegedly drew blood and attacked two people, it can be argued that she is more severe than AP who was actually just disciplining his child in a traditional, albeit now passe fashion while HS was simply assaulting her own people out of rage.

rice is more severe, but if we are not going to go strictly by a philosophical punishment of violence, and instead are going to start taking history and disproportionate outcomes into account, black men would indeed need their unique circumstances taken into account when they get on white america's radar.

 

[No_bammer_weed]

the thread is more focused on public responses and perception, at least that's what the poll question is asking. i totally agree that sports leagues and corporate sponsors will attempt to hide things before dealing with them. i am focusing on the mostly white disapproval that is intimidating them into action against certain people.

also, hope solo is accused of making her nephew's ear bleed. since she allegedly drew blood and attacked two people, it can be argued that she is more severe than AP who was actually just disciplining his child in a traditional, albeit now passe fashion while HS was simply assaulting her own people out of rage.

rice is more severe, but if we are not going to go strictly by a philosophical punishment of violence, and instead are going to start taking history and disproportionate outcomes into account, black men would indeed need their unique circumstances taken into account when they get on white america's radar.

Cmon fam....AP is accused of beating a 4 year old child bloody, drawing multiple cuts that appeared significant (he beat another one of his children pretty bad as well allegedly). The "child" Solo allegedly assaulted was 17, and the severity of his cut hasnt been established, but for all intents and purposes it appears to be a pretty mild confrontation. We cant just ignore relevant details and push through with an agenda.

If Solo were accused of child abuse, or if she were caught on video knocking someone half her size out and then dragging that person through a hotel lobby, and people tried to say "hey look over here" by raising confrontations featuring black men that were far less severe as points of comparison in order to deflect, I'd find that pretty ridiculous.

 

[NZA]

Cmon fam....AP is accused of beating a 4 year old child bloody, drawing multiple cuts that appeared significant (he beat another one of his children pretty bad as well allegedly). The "child" Solo allegedly assaulted was 17, and the severity of his cut hasnt been established, but for all intents and purposes it appears to be a pretty mild confrontation. We cant just ignore relevant details and push through with an agenda.

If Solo were accused of child abuse, or if she were caught on video knocking someone half her size out and then dragging that person through a hotel lobby, and people tried to say "hey look over here" by raising confrontations featuring black men that were far less severe as points of comparison in order to deflect, I'd find that pretty ridiculous.

personally, id rather take a switch to my legs than punches to my head. and unfortunately, nobody is providing photographic evidence to make HS look bad. there's an agenda at play, and it's not mine...

if that 17 year old was her son, it would be child abuse, but that is not their relationship so there is that technicality. i'll grant you that.

on your last point, you cant really reverse the power dynamic. hope solo is never going to be a part of a wave of public disapproval by a powerful and primarily black populace by simply getting into domestic violence situations, even if she had succeeded in knocking her sister out. as a matter of fact, respecting these power dynamics is crucial to doling out double standard responses, so if you engage in it, you cant try to erase them when they would offer some degree of protection for black men or the whole concept loses validity.

this is all why i favor a blanket policy on behalf of leagues and sponsors. you cant really control public sentiment, but you can stick to your own policies and defend them logically when you are consistent and fair. no matter what the perceived differences in severity there are, there is simply no reason for HS to be playing if violence against families is indeed horrible. you can punish her and still feel in your heart that men's violence is worse. but of course because of who she is, many people dont want to harm her any more than they have to.