No, Hope Solo Is Not "Like" Ray Rice

Do you think the Hope Solo situation should be perceived the same way as the NFL situations?

  • Yes, domestic violence is domestic violence. It should all be viewed as equally appalling.

  • No, the present and historical contexts of the issues justifies the different public responses.

  • No, but I still think the response to Ray Rice and AD has been overblown.


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You my nikka breh, I barely ever disagree with you but what exactly is childish or wrong about speaking out against selective outrage?

Ray Rice life has been completely destroyed over one mistake, yet you never heard a word about Hope who is a repeat offender...That to any reasonable human being isn't right, a no tolerance policy should not be selective...Gender, race, sport/occupation should not effect the outrage or the punishment...No tolerance on domestic violence is either enforced everywhere or its not enforced at all...I don't see anything childish about this logical approach to this issue...
Ole boy was fishing for daps like a chick on Instagram thirst trapping. Its not hard to understand and if this was a race issue guarantee nobody would be saying some "they want the same outrage but are afraid" nonsense. Somehow with this issue though its dudes are p*ssy for mainly saying the media should be consistent or its showing a bad message for selective outrage. How that look one day Nike say we don't condone DV but the next nah its cool? That's what people mainly talking about these fugazy people, companies all on the airwaves grandstanding not no hate women shyt like cats don't have females in their lives or something.
 

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Ole boy was fishing for daps like a chick on Instagram thirst trapping. Its not hard to understand and if this was a race issue guarantee nobody would be saying some "they want the same outrage but are afraid" nonsense. Somehow with this issue though its dudes are p*ssy for mainly saying the media should be consistent or its showing a bad message for selective outrage. How that look one day Nike say we don't condone DV but the next nah its cool? That's what people mainly talking about these fugazy people, companies all on the airwaves grandstanding not no hate women shyt like cats don't have females in their lives or something.
. That's not what a lot of dude are saying. Many are in here refusing to view DV as primarily a male issue....
 

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What do I as a man have to do with any other man that has abused or killed his wife? Not a damn thing. It's not MY "yoke to bear" at all. You sound silly bruh:heh:

I'd actually respect your position if you were MAN enough to come out and say that you believe that men are superior to women. You won't come out and say that because you know the women that you're trying to kiss up to won't rock with you on that. You're a walking contradiction on this issue homie.
You ask this of white folks all the time.
 

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You ask this of white folks all the time.
Stop with the false comparison. Racism is a system that all whites benefit from and help maintain. Institutional sexism in our society isn't beneficial to black men nor is it something that black men are responsible for maintaining. If a black woman calls the cops and says that a black man assaulted/abused her then he's hoing to jail. If anybody aided Ray Rice in avoiding stiffer penalties for his abuse it was own wife. Not any other black man. You should know better.

Why don't you have the courage to come out and say that men are superior to women and that's the foundation of your position here if you're such a "man"?
 

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I really enjoy Coates' writing because his clarity and critical thinking skills are top notch. He is right that there is a tradition of men beating women much more than the other way around. He is also correct that men are more lethal than women. But his central idea that the two cases are not comparable is logically faulty. He knows that, and anyone with common sense knows it too. That is why he is a great writer--his angles. There is a base truth to these cases--domestic violence is domestic violence. Period. ANYTHING above that truth that society argues about is soaked in relativism. We want to see things in a case by case way, arbitrarily, for one thing but paint a broad brush for others. But the fact of truth remains. Remember, we are talking about if Hope Solo and Ray Rice should be treated equally because of fact that they both committed the same crime. You can argue the different degrees of the crime, but its still the same crime. When you start trying to be arbitrary and relative to society's culture, you get what's happening in this thread, because it's impossible for everyone to relate to each other in this country. We all have different cultures and behaviors, but there is always the truth.

For example, Coates uses an example of how lynchings were on a different level than the "normal" way of death Sam Cooke and Tupac succumbed too. As we know, most blacks who were lynched certainly didn't deserve such a harsh death, and maybe Tupac himself would rather be shot than hung and burned. But the truth and fact of it all is that they all were murdered, and would certainly tell you that they would rather not be killed at all, even though they died to varying degrees by Coates argument. Once again, the faultiness of using different degrees of this or that crime is that it has to be relative to everyone for it to be understood that way. What I'm saying is, that use the of different degrees is why blacks were being lynched in the first place. Yeah it's a horrible way to die and is based in pure vile intentions, but white people didn't give a fukk because we weren't seen as humans anyway! When EVERYONE doesn't recognize the truth, AND you're a minority, you usually get fukked over. Lynching meant NOTHING to whites. They used "different degrees of crime" also. "Yeah, I know you stole my horse and fukked my mother, but this ****** just winked at my wife, so I'll deal with you later after we hang his ass."

Coates' argument that there is a tradition of men hitting women and women should be treated accordingly is the same reason why Mike Brown, Trayvon, John Crawford and many others are killed like dogs, but should be alive today. If Coates is correct,why aren't blacks looked at and treated differently? If Ray Rice is the worst because he is a man hitting a woman, should we be using the varying degrees of crime theory on Ray even though traditionally blacks have suffered because of it. Why isn't he a sympathetic black man in the media instead of being vilified? I mean, there is a tradition of overreaction when it comes to blacks committing crimes, right? Traditionally, white crimes never equaled the malice of black crimes, right? In my opinion, using Coates angle, he should be riding for Ray about how he is being treated since he committed the same crime as a white person but is getting five the grief. You know why he won't? Because his ass would get blacked out on by the same majority, white arbitrary thinking culture he got his "varying degree" hypothesis from. The same ones who raped millions of black women, killed millions of black men, lynched thousand of blacks, the ones who waited until NOW to have a national debate on domestic violence and won't let you put your damn hands up to surrender without a bullet to ya head. If possible, it's best to deal with the fact of right and wrong. Domestic Violence is wrong, period.
 

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Stop with the false comparison. Racism is a system that all whites benefit from and help maintain. Institutional sexism in our society isn't beneficial to black men nor is it something that black men are responsible for maintaining. If a black woman calls the cops and says that a black man assaulted/abused her then he's hoing to jail. If anybody aided Ray Rice in avoiding stiffer penalties for his abuse it was own wife. Not any other black man. You should know better.

Why don't you have the courage to come out and say that men are superior to women and that's the foundation of your position here if you're such a "man"?
This man is currently celebrating his 7th anniversary on the island of Barbados where he's taken his wife. A man who himself put the mitts to his first girlfriend over 20 years ago after growing up in a household seeing it imparted onto my mother regularly. Going out on Franklin ave streets and seeing violence regularly. Going to a HS and seeing violence regularly. I know full well how a woman's love can protect the fukked up nature some of us men bear, so you thinking you handing down some lessons to me Rays wife and her protecting him is nothing new to me. I've seen women protect shytty men for year bro. Many have DIED doing so. You haven't imparted shyt to me. I lived through that and know what Ray is living through. years ago I had to check myself AND the influences around me, something I know full well Ray has the potential himself to do same, so spare me the Ray Rice and his wife shyt you've "read about."

I know full well I and us men carry as men being members of the physically dominant sex. There's a responsibility that comes with it, and I thank god I didn't have excuse makers like yourselves around me when I needed to be put in check.
 

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All these threads do is expose the fact that there are a very large group of men who have never had a real relationship with a woman or have never gotten into a real argument with a woman

I see now that just like there is a nikka wake up call...some of you are going to have to get your man wake up call...
 

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IMO - judging by the incidents with jerramy stevens & then this, hope solo is a proven psychopath.

ray rice just seems like a huge a$shole for what he did. so yea, there's a difference.
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This man is currently celebrating his 7th anniversary on the island of Barbados where he's taken his wife. A man who himself put the mitts to his first girlfriend over 20 years ago after growing up in a household seeing it imparted onto my mother regularly. Going out on Franklin ave streets and seeing violence regularly. Going to a HS and seeing violence regularly. I know full well how a woman's love can protect the fukked up nature some of us men bear, so you thinking you handing down some lessons to me Rays wife and her protecting him is nothing new to me. I've seen women protect shytty men for year bro. Many have DIED doing so. You haven't imparted shyt to me. I lived through that and know what Ray is living through. years ago I had to check myself AND the influences around me, something I know full well Ray has the potential himself to do same, so spare me the Ray Rice and his wife shyt you've "read about."

I know full well I and us men carry as men being members of the physically dominant sex. There's a responsibility that comes with it, and I thank god I didn't have excuse makers like yourselves around me when I needed to be put in check.
Am I supposed to give a fukk about your life story? I don't. This is completely irrelevant to my point to you. You tried to compare domestic violence with racism and I shot that dumb shyt down. The point about Rice's wife clearly went over your head. I only mentioned her to point out that she's the only one who has aided Ray in avoiding punishment for his actions. There is no system in place to protect him and other men who have been caught a abusing their girlfriends/spouses like there is to protect whites who abuse blacks. That's why your comparison is dumb.

I as a man don't have shyt to do with woman beaters like you and Ray Rice. I don't have any cross to bear because of motherfukkers like you. That's Your cross to bear. I've never abused any of the ladies that I've dealt with and I'm not obligated to apologize for men like you. I'm not perpetuating the double standard that says it's wrong for a man to hit a woman but not as big of a deal when it's vice versa. That double standard is problematic for both men and women for several reasons. Domestic violence is just as wrong regardless of the dynamic.

Again, I could even respectfully agree to disagree with you on this if you had the courage to be open and honest about joe truly feel about the sexes. The fact that you refuse to come out and directly say that you feel like men are superior to women makes you a coward. That's really ironic considering your position.
 
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I'm not surprise this CaC bytch isn't deemed as a Menace To Society, in AmeriKKKa:patrice:

...despite, the scumbag fukking up a minor:wtb:
 

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Am I supposed to give a fukk about your life story? I don't. This is completely irrelevant to my point to you. You tried to compare domestic violence with racism and I shot that dumb shyt down. The point about Rice's wife clearly went over your head. I only mentioned her to point out that she's the only one who has aided Ray in avoiding punishment for his actions. There is no system in place to protect him and other men who have been caught a abusing their girlfriends/spouses like there is to protect whites who abuse blacks. That's why your comparison is dumb.

I as a man don't have shyt to do with woman beaters like you and Ray Rice. I don't have any cross to bear because of motherfukkers like you. That's Your cross to bear. I've never abused any of the ladies that I've dealt with and I'm not obligated to apologize for men like you. I'm not perpetuating the double standard that says it's wrong for a man to hit a woman but not as big of a deal when it's vice versa. That double standard is problematic for both men and women for several reasons. Domestic violence is just as wrong regardless of the dynamic.

Again, I could even respectfully agree to disagree with you on this if you had the courage to be open and honest about joe truly feel about the sexes. The fact that you refuse to come out and directly say that you feel like men are superior to women makes you a coward. That's really ironic considering your position.
I'm certain youve known a$$holes and said nothing. But then again, coli niqqas live in a perfect world
 

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I'm certain youve known a$$holes and said nothing. But then again, coli niqqas live in a perfect world
It's not my responsibility to check other men bruh. That's my point. All men shouldn't be punished with an unfair double standard because men are naturally stronger unless we are admitting that men are superior. Women are supposedly equal and should be treated as such but not only when it benefits them.
 

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It's not my responsibility to check other men bruh. That's my point. All men shouldn't benpunished with an unfair double standard because men are naturally stronger unless we are admitting that men are superior. Women are supposedly equal and should be treated as such but not only when it benefits them.
How are all men punished? My point is, as with white racists, men nee
 
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