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It's the trend right now period, not just NBA. Future rocking em too. I ain't gon lie I been looking for em but they prolly outta my price range. They fly I guess but I'm not stressing.
No Love Lost, Yall Die ..., Cavaliers vs. Hawks ECF Thread
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Dr. Narcisse
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He played lowest mins per game of his career in the regular season.
Currently he's at 41.6 in the playoffs.
Besides last year in the playoffs (38.2)
The other years in Miami?
41.7 (2013)
42.7 (2012)
43.9 (2011)
Again breh those type of mins in Miami's system were way more grueling. He's not doing near the amount of running on defense as he's done in years past.
Says the dude who only upped this shyt because they're up 3-0 in this series without him.
Yes, I re-upped the thread because I was proven right. You think I would have re-upped it if I had been proven wrong?
But I was proven right on two counts, with one unprovable one left:
1) I was proven right when the Cavs sat Kyrie, when you were claiming he couldn't get any more injured than he already was and he needed to keep playing to "get his rhythm back".
2) I was proven right when I said the Cavs would be better off without him because he couldn't drive or play defense. They're up 3-0, guards are playing fine, and Teague isn't dominating like he was when Kyrie was guarding him in the begining of Game 1.
3) The Cavs are obviously going to be more ready for the Warriors with Kyrie sitting out these games than they would be with him doing further damage to the legs instead of letting them heal...and they'd have been even better off if they had shut him down in the 1st half of Game 1 like I'd initially said they should have.
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Damn, i guess all this time cuz I'm haven't been going out too much. Just holed up with my girl + watching playoffs, I've fallen behind on looking fresh
Link me up to one of them breh
Gil Scott-Heroin
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You weren't right, you only upped this because the Cavs are up 3-0 and they have no reason to play him with the series pretty much all wrapped up.
Yes, I re-upped the thread because I was proven right. You think I would have re-upped it if I had been proven wrong?
No I didn't. I said he needed his minutes restricted. He did need to keep playing (not necessarily in that game) to get his rhythm back when either they needed it later in the series or in the Finals. Obviously there's no point in him playing now, as this series is pretty much over.
You never said anything remotely close to that. Stop moving the goalposts. You said he shouldn't play until he could actually move (something you were directly wrong about), and you never elaborated to what extent he needed to rest for. I highly doubt you would have said just leave Kyrie out of this series altogether and just let Delly take over as the full-time PG.
You would have said limit Kyrie's minutes throughout the series and allow him to contribute as much as he could.
Again, would you be thinking like this (ruling him out completely) if they were down in this series? Or would you give him limited minutes (monitoring what he could deal with)?
Greenstrings
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Nikka was out there looking like the lead singer of RadioheadDelly wearin da exact same Italian Job team memba outfit he wore last time he was brought to da post game interview.
I'm only watching replays of the eastern finals, breh - I'm not staying up to watch that shyt.Cavs got fuccin lucky its going to overtime
Its 4:10am over here doe, a nicca tryna go to bed @SCORCH what are these niccas doing to us? pause
It's a bank holiday and I still wasn't interested
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Not in this Gil-Scott tirade but Kyrie hasn't looked good at any point with limited minutes these playoffs
You would get literally nothing of value from giving him limited minutes in games that you can win without him
stop the hypotheticals, they're up 3-0, he's unnecessary
You would get literally nothing of value from giving him limited minutes in games that you can win without him
stop the hypotheticals, they're up 3-0, he's unnecessary
Gil Scott-Heroin
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When has Kyrie played in limited minutes? And when has he played 35+ minutes?
At this point of course he's unnecessary. But let me ask you this - would you go into this series ruling out Irving completely or use him sparingly throughout each game?
@The Dankster - forget about what has happened in this series. What would be your gameplan coming into this series, in regards to playing Kyrie (keep in mind he said he felt "amazing" and he was ready in lead up to the series)?
You indeed said he needed to keep playing, and that he wasn't going to get any better. You made very clear that the Cavs should NOT rest him for full games because he supposedly wouldn't be in rhythm then. That has nothing whatsoever to do with the series being wrapped up or not:
So you deny saying, "there's no point in sitting him" or "he needs to be out there" or "he needs to play more minutes" or "no amount of rest is going to help him" or repeatedly denying that he should be rested even one or two games, regardless of the series circumstances?
No, I repeatedly said exactly that - that he was a liability driving or defending. And of course when I say he "could actually move", that's what I was referring to:
Willing to admit that you were wrong yet?
Uh, you already know the answer to the question Gil:
He looked horrible in the last two games he played, playing the "limited minutes" that was consistently the Gil Scott-Heroin recommendation for going forward. Obviously he was looking bad, obviously it was causing the injury to be re-aggravated, obviously it wasn't helping the team...so why recommend the exact thing that wasn't working???
In fact, you know the only thing that was making his legs feel better? The rest he got between the Chicago and the Atlanta series. So you know what a good prescription would be going forward? More of that.
I wasn't there to see how he looked before the game started or hear what the trainer had to say during the time off. So I can't say how I would have used him going in.
But I did see how he looked in Game 1. And just like I said in the first half, I would have shut him down when it was clear that his legs were not good enough to help the team. And I would have kept him shut down until the Cavs needed him and he could help - whether that was clutch games in the Atlanta series or even waiting all the way until the Golden State series. I made that clear in the quotes above.
Gil Scott-Heroin
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Of course I did, because I didn't think the Cavs would be on the verge of sweeping them with Delly as the full-time PG with Irving only playing half a game.
You still didn't answer my question - would you go into this series not playing Kyrie AT ALL (ruling him out for every game, even if they were on the brink of being eliminated) or would you limit his minutes, depending on how much he could contribute?
Yes because I thought they would need him in this series. I said his minutes needed to be restricted so that he could regain his rhythm when they needed his play in a pivotal game of this series.
Are you going to sit there and tell me you had the Cavs sweeping the Hawks with Kyrie playin half a game?
"Tell me what difference a day or two of rest is gonna make that a week off hasn't already?
He's not gonna get more healthy in this playoff window - he's as healthy as he's gonna get."
"You know that he had a week off already? Tell me what difference a day or two of rest is gonna make that a week off hasn't already? He already said this is the best he's felt since the start of the Boston series."
"So obviously he feels good when he isn't playing a game, but when it comes to actually playing he re-aggravates it. He just needs his minutes restricted and hopefully he can readjust/play through the pain. Because it's certainly not gonna get better by just resting. He's just gonna run into the same problems once he takes the court."
How can you not see me alluding to a difference of another day or two isn't going to help, when I worked on the premise that they would need his contribution at some point in this series? This is where you're moving the goalposts, because if they were down in this series - he would be playing. I wanted his minutes to be restricted not only in this series, but against Chicago too. I anticipated (as most did), that they would need him when they got deeper in the playoffs - especially with Love being out.
Are you telling me that the Cavs would sweep the Hawks without Kyrie and Love prior to the playoffs starting? Are you telling me the best possible gameplan would be to rule out Irving completely from this series, no matter what - even if they were down 1-2, 2-3 or 0-3? Are you telling me Irving wouldn't play in this series if they were on on the brink of elimination?
I never said regardless of circumstance. I said he needs to be out there because I thought they'd need his play to get past the Hawks, in any contribution he could offer. I said more minutes, in the context of playing more minutes in the series - not playing 40+ minutes every game - but more minutes (in the sense of getting game time in each game, not just resting him completely) to regain his rhythm.
I said no amount of rest is going to help him because obviously one or two days extra wasn't going to make a difference as he already felt ready to play. We're now looking at the Hawks getting swept with minimal contribution from him, I never would've gameplanned for that (as I don't think nobody else would), that's why I said no amount of rest was going to help, not only because he felt "amazing" but because even if he took off another one or two days, the Cavs would still need him in this series.
Yeah but for how long? When were they suppose to know if he could defend or be able to drive if they didn't play him? Like he said he can't simulate a game situation in preparation - so the only way they could see if he was ready was by actually playing him. This is why your stance is built on a shaky foundation, because you said he needed to 'rest until he could ACTUALLY move' - (he said he felt ready before the game) so for how long should he rest for? Were you just talking about just the game or the entire series? Because you can't tell me with the previous knowledge that he felt ready due to 'feeling' both his feet underneath him when he was shooting, prior to Game 1 - would you then completely rule him out of the ATL series.
You would limit his minutes would you not? Rather than taking him out altogether.
Like I said there's nothing to be wrong about. You've moved the goalposts from where they initally were, only because the Cavs no longer need him in this series. You wouldn't be rehashing this argument if the Cavs were down and Kyrie came back to provide what he could.Willing to admit that you were wrong yet?
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TheyCallMeAzul
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One thing about Game 3: Mozgov became worthless after Horford's injury because ATL became more perimeter-oriented. Forced Cleveland to go small with them & almost won the game. Warriors are gonna 
when they run Draymond at the 5
when they run Draymond at the 5Gil Scott-Heroin
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Yes because the alternative (ruling him out altogether) was the lesser of two options. Why is this so hard to understand? I like many others (as I imagine yourself included), going into this series thought that the Cavs would NEED whatever Kyrie could provide in order to get past the Hawks. Of course he was looking bad, but was the other option of ruling him out completely any better? Of course not. Everybody would've gone into that series gameplanning by playing Kyrie (whether it was full minutes or limited), not just not playing him at all.
You're lying if you said you wouldn't play him if he said he was ready to go and the series was 3-2 in favor of the Hawks.
Of course, more rest would only be beneficial. But at what price? Costing them a chance of progressing into the Finals? Of course not. Again, I'm going to reiterate, what would a few days extra rest do that a week wouldn't do already? If they were down 0-2, coming back to Cleveland, do you think Kyrie would've played and do you think he still could've reaggravated his injury?
If you had knowledge that he was mentally ready -
You're gonna say that you wouldn't play him at all during the series, even if they were down and needed his help? Or what about the backlash the Cavs would've received if Irving said he was ready and they kept him out and they ended up losing the series - just imagine if they only brought back Kyrie after being down in the series, and either directly or indirectly they lost that series?
Right. Now the truth comes out. So if they needed him in Game 3/4, would you have played him? Knowing that a day or two days more rest was all that he had.
The reason why I said he still needed to play (restricting his avg game minutes), yet still play minutes throughout the series was because I thought that they would need his production/play to get past the Hawks. By keeping up his touches and regaining his rhythm, that then would've put him in better position to help out in the latter stages of the series, rather than going in cold, so to speak. I never anticipated the Cavs not needing him, that's why I said complete rest wouldn't help because they'd need him in the next few games. Which would only be a few days - when he already had a week off, wouldn't make that much of a difference where it would make him 100% healthy. That's why I wanted him to be monitored from game-to-game, so that he could contribute when the Cavs needed him the most against the Hawks.
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