Now that Kobe's legendary career is over, where does he rank on your all time list?

[Houston911]

He's top 10.

He's not more talented than Lebron though. He can't carry that 2007 Cavs team to the finals like Lebron could. And for all of those scoring feats Kobe has, Lebron has a higher career points per game average. I think Lebron is top 5 all time, in terms of pure skill.

The list below is just based of off people I've seen play (I'm 35) Yea yea I know I know I'm

1. Jordan
2. Kareem
3. Magic
4. Lebron
5. Duncan
6. Kobe
7. Bird
8. Olajuwon
9. Shaq
10. Dr. J

"No moves" lebron is more skilled than kobe?

 

[Marciano]

kobe makes tougher shots.
MJ highest total was 69...Kobe dropped 60 after 20yrs. Kobe has "psycho" mode!

And it took him 50 shots to get to that 60

I think Kobe stans put him over Jordan only as being bias but the numbers & accolades don't lie, as Hov said Facts Only.

I have him just outside the top 10

 

[Professor Emeritus]

He's right up there with Oscar Robertson and Dr. J as "guys who really think they should be top-10, but there's just too many others ahead of them."


He was talented enough to do more, but ended up without any significant individual accomplishments that didn't revolve around volume shooting.

He had the shooting skills, but cared too much about taking more shots and "pretty" shots, so he never was efficient. Now he's ended with 44.7% shooting for his career, 32.9% from three. His career three-point average is more than a percent BEHIND Lebron. With his skill, do you realize how stupid that is?

He had the passing skills...every time that he started racking up assists, the team started winning games. But then he always had to revert to the shooting again, because he wanted those numbers. Never once broke 6 assists/game for a season, something all the great ball-handing wings - Jordan, Bird, Lebron, West, Drexler, Wade - all did regularly. Hell, even Harden is doing it now.

He had the defensive skills...but almost never would make himself the defensive stopper on the main threat for a good part of the game, because he wanted to concentrate his energy on offense, so he'd revert to staying off and gambling in the lanes.

I think he had the potential talent to be top-5 all-time. But he was always too much about himself and his scoring, taking low-quality shots at the expense of everything else.


Think about it this way. If Kobe didn't take an obscene number of shots, which of his main, top-10 defining accomplishments would he have left? Being the best player on a two-time NBA champion and....? So we're really going to rank a player that highly just because he took a ton of shots?


I'm putting Jordan, Magic, Bird, Lebron, Kareem, Wilt, Russell, Duncan, Shaq, and Hakeem ahead of him, in no particular order. He's even with Jerry West, Oscar, and Doctor J.

 

[CarltonJunior]

My all time list? Probably 2.

From my more objective standpoint, somewhere in the top 5

 

[Trece]

He's right up there with Oscar Robertson and Dr. J as "guys who really think they should be top-10, but there's just too many others ahead of them."


He was talented enough to do more, but ended up without any significant individual accomplishments that didn't revolve around volume shooting.

He had the shooting skills, but cared too much about taking more shots and "pretty" shots, so he never was efficient. Now he's ended with 44.7% shooting for his career, 32.9% from three. His career three-point average is more than a percent BEHIND Lebron. With his skill, do you realize how stupid that is?

He had the passing skills...every time that he started racking up assists, the team started winning games. But then he always had to revert to the shooting again, because he wanted those numbers. Never once broke 6 assists/game for a season, something all the great ball-handing wings - Jordan, Bird, Lebron, West, Drexler, Wade - all did regularly. Hell, even Harden is doing it now.

He had the defensive skills...but almost never would make himself the defensive stopper on the main threat for a good part of the game, because he wanted to concentrate his energy on offense, so he'd revert to staying off and gambling in the lanes.

I think he had the potential talent to be top-5 all-time. But he was always too much about himself and his scoring, taking low-quality shots at the expense of everything else.


Think about it this way. If Kobe didn't take an obscene number of shots, which of his main, top-10 defining accomplishments would he have left? Being the best player on a two-time NBA champion and....? So we're really going to rank a player that highly just because he took a ton of shots?


I'm putting Jordan, Magic, Bird, Lebron, Kareem, Wilt, Russell, Duncan, Shaq, and Hakeem ahead of him, in no particular order. He's even with Jerry West, Oscar, and Doctor J.

You can always count on the haters to post at the end of Kobe threads..


These chicken shyt "coast is clear"
type phakkits

 

[blackzeus]

Top 10, tied for 2nd best SG ever with Oscar Robertson in my opinion.

 

[Based Lord Zedd]

I think it did that for both sides. They were feeding him the ball to celebrate him, not because it was the best chance of scoring. They scored about as well as they usually do, the shots just came almost exclusively from Kobe.

The game really told you all you needed to know about that shot attempt to scoring correlation that you stans don't like to acknowledge. As bad and inefficient as Kobe was this year, even he can put up big numbers with unlimited shots.

It's obvious that as shot attempts increase, points are going to increase, even for a poor shooter. That's basic math.

The problem is that people try to pervert this to suggest that Kobe's scoring totals/averages didn't mean anything, or that other players could easily achieve the same numbers if they just "shot more."

Basically trying to imply that Kobe just chucked his way to seasons like 35/5/5. Like there's any significant number of players who could achieve that over a season regardless of shot attempts.

 

[Based Lord Zedd]

I stopped reading your post because you said Kobe never broke 6 assists / game for a season. 04-05 he had 398 assists in 66 games. And I dare you to tell me that because it's only 66 games it doesn't count, you praised Wade for regularly hitting 6 a game and he's never played a full season.

He's right up there with Oscar Robertson and Dr. J as "guys who really think they should be top-10, but there's just too many others ahead of them."


He was talented enough to do more, but ended up without any significant individual accomplishments that didn't revolve around volume shooting.

He had the shooting skills, but cared too much about taking more shots and "pretty" shots, so he never was efficient. Now he's ended with 44.7% shooting for his career, 32.9% from three. His career three-point average is more than a percent BEHIND Lebron. With his skill, do you realize how stupid that is?

He had the passing skills...every time that he started racking up assists, the team started winning games. But then he always had to revert to the shooting again, because he wanted those numbers. Never once broke 6 assists/game for a season, something all the great ball-handing wings - Jordan, Bird, Lebron, West, Drexler, Wade - all did regularly. Hell, even Harden is doing it now.

He had the defensive skills...but almost never would make himself the defensive stopper on the main threat for a good part of the game, because he wanted to concentrate his energy on offense, so he'd revert to staying off and gambling in the lanes.

I think he had the potential talent to be top-5 all-time. But he was always too much about himself and his scoring, taking low-quality shots at the expense of everything else.


Think about it this way. If Kobe didn't take an obscene number of shots, which of his main, top-10 defining accomplishments would he have left? Being the best player on a two-time NBA champion and....? So we're really going to rank a player that highly just because he took a ton of shots?


I'm putting Jordan, Magic, Bird, Lebron, Kareem, Wilt, Russell, Duncan, Shaq, and Hakeem ahead of him, in no particular order. He's even with Jerry West, Oscar, and Doctor J.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

I stopped reading your post because you said Kobe never broke 6 assists / game for a season. 04-05 he had 398 assists in 66 games. And I dare you to tell me that because it's only 66 games it doesn't count, you praised Wade for regularly hitting 6 a game and he's never played a full season.

Yes, that's 6.0 assists a game, and that was the best he did. I didn't say he never hit 6 assists/game for a season, I said he never broke 6.

 

[SunZoo]

Top 10 easy, top 8 probably.

I like Kobe more than Magic even though I'm not sure if I can justify placing him above him...

The GOAT SG behind the actual GOAT

@ any of these analytic fakkits putting LeBrenda over Kobe, fukk outta here.

 

[Cyber]

I stopped reading your post because you said Kobe never broke 6 assists / game for a season. 04-05 he had 398 assists in 66 games. And I dare you to tell me that because it's only 66 games it doesn't count, you praised Wade for regularly hitting 6 a game and he's never played a full season.

Adding to this post I'm pretty sure Kobe was averaging about 7 apg early that season too, it dropped once they decided to implement some of the triangle with Rudy's sudden departure. APG is an overrated indicator of how good of a passer someone is, never mind the fact that Kobe was almost always the team leader in assists for several teams that were top 3-5 in the league in assists. That's better and more conductive to winning than averaging, say, 15 apg on a team that's dead last in team apg.

 

[Ronnie Lott]

He's top 10.

He's not more talented than Lebron though. He can't carry that 2007 Cavs team to the finals like Lebron could. And for all of those scoring feats Kobe has, Lebron has a higher career points per game average. I think Lebron is top 5 all time, in terms of pure skill.

The list below is just based of off people I've seen play (I'm 35) Yea yea I know I know I'm

1. Jordan
2. Kareem
3. Magic
4. Lebron
5. Duncan
6. Kobe
7. Bird
8. Olajuwon
9. Shaq
10. Dr. J

Bird?

How the hell you not have Karl Malone or LeBron on there

 

[Bilz]

It's obvious that as shot attempts increase, points are going to increase, even for a poor shooter. That's basic math.

The problem is that people try to pervert this to suggest that Kobe's scoring totals/averages didn't mean anything, or that other players could easily achieve the same numbers if they just "shot more."

Basically trying to imply that Kobe just chucked his way to seasons like 35/5/5. Like there's any significant number of players who could achieve that over a season regardless of shot attempts.

Kobe had to be good to do what he did, but we cant overlook that shot volume has always been on his side. People talk about how no other player scored 81 but is that really a measure of ability? There are a few players who have scored more in a quarter than Kobe ever did. Are they more potent short term scorers? Or did they just happen to do something Kobe and other players didn't?

 

[inndaskKy]

Kobe had to be good to do what he did, but we cant overlook that shot volume has always been on his side. People talk about how no other player scored 81 but is that really a measure of ability? There are a few players who have scored more in a quarter than Kobe ever did. Are they more potent short term scorers? Or did they just happen to do something Kobe and other players didn't?

You can say that about anything breh. Did Curry only make 400 threes because he attempted so many? Do bigs only get all those rebounds because the team decides they are the primary defensive rebounders? Are starters only considered better than bench players because they get more playing time?

Trust, 81 was a reflection of Kobe's unique ability to shoot the ball.

 

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