NYT: Boeing Was Certifying Its Own Safety For the 737 Max

[DEAD7]

NYT: Boeing Was Certifying Its Own Safety For the 737 Max

The regulator had been passing off routine tasks to manufacturers for years, with the goal of freeing up specialists to focus on the most important safety concerns. But on the Max, the regulator handed nearly complete control to Boeing, leaving some key agency officials in the dark about important systems like MCAS, according to the current and former employees...The company performed its own assessments of the system, which were not stress-tested by the regulator.

Turnover at the agency left two relatively inexperienced engineers overseeing Boeing's early work on the system. The F.A.A. eventually handed over responsibility for approval of MCAS to the manufacturer. After that, Boeing didn't have to share the details of the system with the two agency engineers...

Late in the development of the Max, Boeing decided to expand the use of MCAS, to ensure the plane flew smoothly. The new, riskier version relied on a single sensor and could push down the nose of the plane by a much larger amount. Boeing did not submit a formal review of MCAS after the overhaul. It wasn't required by F.A.A. rules... The agency ultimately certified the jet as safe, required little training for pilots and allowed the plane to keep flying until a second deadly Max crash, less than five months after the first.... By 2018, the F.A.A. was letting the company certify 96 percent of its own work, according to an agency official.

 

[DEAD7]

the regulator handed nearly complete control to Boeing

Rely on government regulators brehs

 

[Yapdatfool]

You when gov't has regulations/regulators:

You when those same regulators give the private sector the ability to police themselves:

Also you when those regulations/regulators actually do they job:

 

[BigMoneyGrip]

Boeing is finished out here

 

[Futuristic Eskimo]

the regulator handed nearly complete control to Boeing

Rely on government regulators brehs

 

[DEAD7]

You when gov't has regulations/regulators:

You when those same regulators give the private sector the ability to police themselves:

Also you when those regulations/regulators actually do they job:

It’s a question of accountability... something extremely lacking in government or markets with heavy government involvement.

Has anyone even gone to jail yet?
shyt is disgusting.

 

[DEAD7]

Boeing is finished out here

Their government contracts make that unlikely.

 

[greenvale]

I know you like to act like you aren't a full blown republican, but this is largely due to republicans continually cutting the budget for the FAA.

 

[BigMoneyGrip]

Their government contracts make that unlikely.

Which government besides the US? They losing a lot of commercial money.. US gov contract won’t sustain them in the long term

 

[DEAD7]

I know you like to act like you aren't a full blown republican, but this is largely due to republicans continually cutting the budget for the FAA.

Nah, everything I’ve read has suggested management at the FAA delegated responsibility to Boeing as part of a long standing policy and trusting relationship. Lack of funding played no part.
In fact if the NYT is to be believed letting Boeing self regulate was a congress backed policy.
Trust government to act in your best interest out here Brehs

After Boeing Crashes, Sharp Questions About Industry Regulating Itself
FAA boss says it let Boeing partly self-regulate the software thought to be behind both fatal 737 Max crashes

 

[el_oh_el]

the regulator handed nearly complete control to Boeing

Rely on government regulators brehs

As opposed to relying on the company, which is basically what happened here?

 

[Pressure]

Nah, everything I’ve read has suggested management at the FAA delegated responsibility to Boeing as part of a long standing policy and trusting relationship. Lack of funding played no part.
In fact if the NYT is to be believed letting Boeing self regulate was a congress backed policy.
Trust government to act in your best interest out here Brehs

After Boeing Crashes, Sharp Questions About Industry Regulating Itself
FAA boss says it let Boeing partly self-regulate the software thought to be behind both fatal 737 Max crashes

Sounds like deregulation. Something you support.

But like a typical conservative when she doesn't fall in line with your fantasy you look to deflect blame.

 

[PoorAndDangerous]

Nah, everything I’ve read has suggested management at the FAA delegated responsibility to Boeing as part of a long standing policy and trusting relationship. Lack of funding played no part.
In fact if the NYT is to be believed letting Boeing self regulate was a congress backed policy.
Trust government to act in your best interest out here Brehs

After Boeing Crashes, Sharp Questions About Industry Regulating Itself
FAA boss says it let Boeing partly self-regulate the software thought to be behind both fatal 737 Max crashes

Lol so what's the alternative? Allow the company to regulate themselves which is essentially what happened here?? I mean you're literally making the case for regulation

 

[greenvale]

Nah, everything I’ve read has suggested management at the FAA delegated responsibility to Boeing as part of a long standing policy and trusting relationship. Lack of funding played no part.
In fact if the NYT is to be believed letting Boeing self regulate was a congress backed policy.
Trust government to act in your best interest out here Brehs

After Boeing Crashes, Sharp Questions About Industry Regulating Itself
FAA boss says it let Boeing partly self-regulate the software thought to be behind both fatal 737 Max crashes

After Boeing Crashes, Sharp Questions About Industry Regulating Itself

One factor in the debate is the F.A.A.’s budget. If Congress wanted the government to handle more certification work without slowing down the approval of new planes, lawmakers would most likely need to drastically increase funding for the F.A.A. so it could expand its staff. Instead, Congress has encouraged the F.A.A. to delegate more certification work to manufacturers.

A report accompanying a spending bill last year said that utilizing the F.A.A.’s program for delegating authority to manufacturers was “key to improving the effectiveness and efficiency of product certification.”

“Ideally, if resources are no constraint, you would want the regulator to be doing it all,” said Christopher A. Hart, a former F.A.A. official and National Transportation Safety Board chairman. “But this isn’t the ideal world and resources are constrained.”

Sounds like this relates to funding to me.

 

[Mook]

This idiot is arguing for regulation while saying you need to deregulate? This dude is a retard for real.