NYT: Boeing Was Certifying Its Own Safety For the 737 Max

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I never mentioned Trump.

You didn't address a single issue I raised in my post - probably because your mind is already made up.
Because my solution isn’t deregulation, its accountable private sector regulation, that isn’t dependent on govt funding.
If no outside company wants the responsibility as you suggest allow Boeing to self regulate(as they currently are under the system you favor) but remove the govt. shield, and hold them fully liable.
Boeing killing people and noone going to jail is absurd.

I dont believe tax payers shouldn’t fund Boeing’s regulatory cover.
 

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Because my solution isn’t deregulation, its accountable private sector regulation, that isn’t dependent on govt funding.
If no outside company wants the responsibility as you suggest allow Boeing to self regulate(as they currently are under the system you favor) but remove the govt. shield, and hold them fully liable.
Boeing killing people and noone going to jail is absurd.

I dont believe tax payers shouldn’t fund Boeing’s regulatory cover.

It's not that no outside company wants the responsibility, no company wants that responsibility period. Then what?
 

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You when gov't has regulations/regulators: :scust:

You when those same regulators give the private sector the ability to police themselves: :scust:

Also you when those regulations/regulators actually do they job: :scust:

It’s a question of accountability... something extremely lacking in government or markets with heavy government involvement.

Has anyone even gone to jail yet?:picard:
shyt is disgusting.

Oh my God :dead:

When the response to an argument proves its accuracy :dead:
 

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Then Boeing is held fully liable.
The people who certified the designs are murderers... guilty of manslaughter.


What kind of statist bullshyt is this? Why should my tax dollars go towards trying this case? And don't tell me you want ME to pay for the engineered to be imprisoned in some five star luxury private prison, dining on Michelin starred Aramark feasts
 

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Expecting private companies to regulate themselves is like expecting people to record their own debts to their credit report :russ:
 

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Because my solution isn’t deregulation, its accountable private sector regulation, that isn’t dependent on govt funding.
If no outside company wants the responsibility as you suggest allow Boeing to self regulate(as they currently are under the system you favor) but remove the govt. shield, and hold them fully liable.
Boeing killing people and noone going to jail is absurd.
As I mentioned this system already exists for ships and offshore assets due to the historical reasons (each country has its own private certification company, and those of the major countries exist for centuries).

The consequence that the libertarians would love is that now there is a market for certification in this industry, and so there can be different regulators for different systems of the same ship or offshore asset.

The other consequence - manufacturers are inclined to choose the most bland regulator for each system, bringing down the industry standard.
The other consequence - no one perseves the regulators responsibility as important and they don't go to jail after an incident e.g. after the Deepwater Horizon no one talked about the responsibilities of ABS and DNV, that did find training problems of the platform crewmen, while the state regulator non-compiting on the market might have blocked the platform construction after finding the untrained crew.

Edit: do you invision the regulation market bringing down the industry standards or you prefer monopolies? In case of a monopoly, state monopoly always works better than the private one.
 
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Edit: do you invision the regulation market bringing down the industry standards or you prefer monopolies? In case of a monopoly, state monopoly always works better than the private one.
Current standards(under state monopoly) are self regulation... and hundreds have died. I'd take my chances with actors we can hold accountable.
 
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