Official '24-25 NY Knicks Offseason Thread

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mvp_status said:
If we getting in the player perspective bag, I care more about Brunson's opinion than Bridges. And JB said Thibs playing him all those minutes during the season gave him the endurance to cook at the end of playoff games

We all know Thibs be wilin sometimes with the minutes though lol
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But now we know that wasn’t true. Brunson game 6 was a player playing on fumes, mentally and physically. I was one of the people defending the minutes and it’s clear he was wrong. Bridges coming in, with fresh eyes, as someone who’s been on deep playoff runs… his opinion should valued.
 
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I get why people want Thibodeau replaced, and I agree that his refusal to experiment with different line-ups in the regular season bit him in the end. But it's not as simple as "replace Thibs and win," because a lot of coaches are trash or mid. Thibodeau's legitimately one of the better coaches in the league, and you're not guaranteed to land a better coach in replacing him.

Last season's roster was perfectly tailored for Thibodeau and overachieved like crazy. This roster wasn't a great fit, yet it still made the ECF. So, I'd be willing to see if Leon Rose and Brock Aller can use this offseason to put the final tweaks on a very talented unit. If Thibodeau gets outcoached again next year, or if the pieces still aren't gelling, then it's work the risk to move on from him.

Yeah, he's a flawed coach. But Thibs is consistently going to give you a competitive team. The Knicks have gotten closer each year under him, and Brunson loves him. After the gauntlet of bad coaches we witnessed post-Woodson, I think the best Knicks coach since the turn of the century deserves one more shot...even if I do get frustrated.
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All sound logic that I understand and mostly agree with. My only fear is that if next year is a repeat of this one, then that’s essentially another wasted year of mismanaged primes. Who knows what the league will look like as fast as it moves. KAT is already a ticking time bomb as is.
 
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storyteller said:
I get why people want Thibodeau replaced, and I agree that his refusal to experiment with different line-ups in the regular season bit him in the end. But it's not as simple as "replace Thibs and win," because a lot of coaches are trash or mid. Thibodeau's legitimately one of the better coaches in the league, and you're not guaranteed to land a better coach in replacing him.

Last season's roster was perfectly tailored for Thibodeau and overachieved like crazy. This roster wasn't a great fit, yet it still made the ECF. So, I'd be willing to see if Leon Rose and Brock Aller can use this offseason to put the final tweaks on a very talented unit. If Thibodeau gets outcoached again next year, or if the pieces still aren't gelling, then it's work the risk to move on from him.

Yeah, he's a flawed coach. But Thibs is consistently going to give you a competitive team. The Knicks have gotten closer each year under him, and Brunson loves him. After the gauntlet of bad coaches we witnessed post-Woodson, I think the best Knicks coach since the turn of the century deserves one more shot...even if I do get frustrated.
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I agree with everything you said bro, I just don't trust Thibs to do what's best for the team because he hasn't shown he can. He's the type of person that could have all the tools he needs at his disposal, but he doesn't use them (or use them in the most optimum way) to do things his own way which doesn't work
 
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RickyGQ said:
All sound logic that I understand and mostly agree with. My only fear is that if next year is a repeat of this one, then that’s essentially another wasted year of mismanaged primes. Who knows what the league will look like as fast as it moves. KAT is already a ticking time bomb as is.
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I agree with everything you said bro, I just don't trust Thibs to do what's best for the team because he hasn't shown he can. He's the type of person that could have all the tools he needs at his disposal, but he doesn't use them (or use them in the most optimum way) to do things his own way which doesn't work
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I definitely see the risk of Thibodeau running into the same pattern and the team being stuck...plus it felt to me like teams eventually tuned him out in other places, but that's from the outside looking in.

For me it's a "go with the devil you know" scenario. I have more faith in Rose and Aller to find pieces that can fit Thibodeau, than I have faith they can land a coach that does what Kerr did for GS or even Atkinson for Cleveland. Give Thibodeau a couple of useful ring-chasers on the bench, and he'll expand the rotation. This offseason is probably gonna be pretty chaotic, and it'll be easier to lure a vet with a small championship window of his own if we offer consistency.
 
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Knicksman20 said:
Bro, this doesn't negate anything I said or the valid criticisms he's received for being stubborn & incompetent. He still played Hart big mins when he KNEW it wasn't working. He didn't experiment or try to make changes during the regular which more than likely could've helped our chances in the playoffs.

In anything in life, when you're that much stuck in your owns ways & refuse to change, you'll fail, stop growing, & will go stale.

He needs to be fired
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I said what I said because we agree somewhat on his faults, but disagree as to those same faults costing him his job. So I'm speaking from the reality-based perspective that's he not going anywhere for now.

If you want him not to run Hart out there all night, give him someone else who fits his mold. Not a vet who didn't defend until last week, and a struggling rookie.

The uptick in his minutes only started after the frontcourt got depleted last year with all the injuries, continuing into an imbalanced roster this year.
 
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RickyGQ said:
But now we know that wasn’t true. Brunson game 6 was a player playing on fumes, mentally and physically. I was one of the people defending the minutes and it’s clear he was wrong. Bridges coming in, with fresh eyes, as someone who’s been on deep playoff runs… his opinion should valued.
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He was just unstoppable two nights prior so I don't know. I won't punch back on this though because Thibs is aggravating when it comes to this type of shyt.
 
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Now that the smoke has settled I don't think Towns is gone, and I think just general tweaking is the right approach. When it's all said in done, this is the most successful Knicks season in a quarter of a century, so they deserve a run back, it really was a hell of a season. I don't think there's a realistic trade involving KAT that will propel us any further outside of a trade for Giannis.
I do think the Knicks will start prepping for a Mikal extension though, and Mitch might be a casualty of that since he's up for an extension too. Rosas showed he's not scared to sell high after trading Divo last year, and this might be Mitch's "high point" after coming off of a very good playoff run. I can see the Knicks shopping Mitch around and going all in on Hukporti, or trading for a wing and grabbing another big with the Taxpayer MLE. I say this all as fan of Mitch too, I'd hate to see him go, I'm just trying to think from the FO's perspective.
 
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