Official '24-25 NY Knicks Offseason Thread

[RickyGQ]

I knew someone would say that shyt on some recency bias shyt. Like Boston and Denver didn’t just win playing 7 guys.

Indiana and OKC actually have talent on the bench (and OKC won’t be this deep much longer they have guys to pay). I’d love a deep bench. I’d love to be able to go 10 deep. We don’t have the fukking guys. The hypocrisy is watching fukking Knicks fan complain on Twitter when the likes of Sims, Achiuwa, and Payne touched the floor while crying that these young players who clearly aren’t ready weren’t getting major rotational minutes and questioning why a ‘washed’ Delon Wright was brought in to then jump on his dikk.

Kidd, nor Udoka, nor Finch, nor Brown, nor Mazzula, nor Malone are deep rotation coaches.

Jenkins was but fans complained about that too.

Deep rotation doesn’t work on a team like the Knicks that has little to no depth where there is a chance that no one on last years team will be in the NBA in 3 seasons outside of Robinson (whose really a starter) and Deuce (maybe). U will trade a set of critiques for another set like rotations, questionable substitutions, and players do become disgruntled which is exactly how it went down with Jenkins.

I actually agree. The issue wasn’t that we didn’t go ten deep. That’s an over correction. It’s that we didn’t incorporate the guys we could trust wisely or enough.

 

[ISO]

Why do you think the pacers beat the Knicks. You don’t think it was the coaching and now you’re saying it’s not because they were deeper. So why do you think the Knicks lost that series?

The Pacers are the better, deeper team. I never said anything against depth it’s that we’re not deep you can’t force it.

You’re talking about getting Mike Brown a staff for minutes distribution lol.

 

[Wargames]

The Pacers are the better, deeper team. I never said anything against depth it’s that we’re not deep you can’t force it.

You’re talking about getting Mike Brown a staff for minutes distribution lol.

No for development. Dadiet, Kolek, Huk, Nnaji, McCular, and maybe Marjon. Plus pick #50. We got to get some contribution from them and get them playing time. Plus the TPMLE, maybe a Precious S&T….. The Knicks need a staff to work with those kids and Brown or Jenkins got to get those kids minutes In the season for them to contribute.

If all the kids suck, fair enough, but we dont know that. Cause they stayed glued to the bench unless it was an extreme blowout. Mike Brown (maybe Jenkins) has to know he can’t just play 7 guys like Thibs use to do. Going deep in the roster during the regular season so you can figure out playoff rotations before the playoffs happen is a smart thing to do.

 

[In The Zone '98]

No for development. Dadiet, Kolek, Huk, Nnaji, McCular, and maybe Marjon. Plus pick #50. We got to get some contribution from them and get them playing time. Plus the TPMLE, maybe a Precious S&T….. The Knicks need a staff to work with those kids and Brown or Jenkins got to get those kids minutes In the season for them to contribute.

If all the kids suck, fair enough, but we dont know that. Cause they stayed glued to the bench unless it was an extreme blowout. Mike Brown (maybe Jenkins) has to know he can’t just play 7 guys like Thibs use to do. Going deep in the roster during the regular season so you can figure out playoff rotations before the playoffs happen is a smart thing to do.

Championship level teams aren't developing players. You have 8-9 vets who know their role. With some all stars in that mix

Some of yall sound like Two Timelines. And you saw how that worked out

 

[tremonthustler1]

Championship level teams aren't developing players. You have 8-9 vets who know their role. With some all stars in that mix

Some of yall sound like Two Timelines. And you saw how that worked out

not totally true.


They don't have to be completely featured players, but those teams will develop guys to where they're comfortable using them if need be.

Ben Sheppard is a 2nd year player. Obi Toppin is just finished with his rookie scale deal. Mathurin, Nembhard and Walker are in year 3. A dude like Furphy is in G-League getting reps.


OKC drafts guys with the purpose of being able to use them.

Thibs would coach like he ONLY liked 5-6 guys on his roster even though rosters are 15-18 deep now. If you're up 25 with 6 minutes to go and the other team is ready to wave the white flag and your coach STILL doesn't wanna take out the starters, that's at best a missed opportunity to get guys in the game and see how they react.

After year 1, you drafted a 23 year old senior in Kolek who's supposed to be plug and play and after a year, what did he learn? Nothing. Dadiet was a raw player who probably needed an entire year in Westchester. He played 14 games. Now it's title or bust and they're gonna be more willing to use them?



and when it comes to two timelines, Lacob wasn't wrong. They won a title. What we've come to find out is that their drafting hasn't been as good. Just because we as fans don't mind if the Warriors burn down the ground after Curry leaves doesn't mean they should. The GM's job is always to have one eye on today and one eye on tomorrow. Thibs didn't look past that night even though the season is a grind. Thibs is the type to sprint the first 2 miles of a marathon and wonder why blind speed walkers are dusting him by mile 5.

 

[ISO]

Early time isn’t always advantageous for the prospect or the team. Development isn’t linear and to assume that guys aren’t being developed because they aren’t getting a lot of PT during the season is bullshyt. Besides Knicks also utilize the G-League.

Thibs has many success stories as a player development guy some that didn’t necessarily have featured roles at first for this bullshyt narrative.

Reed Sheppard and Rob Dillingham barely played last season and we talking about some Kolek and Dadiet who ordinarily would be stashed.

 

[In The Zone '98]

not totally true.


They don't have to be completely featured players, but those teams will develop guys to where they're comfortable using them if need be.

Ben Sheppard is a 2nd year player. Obi Toppin is just finished with his rookie scale deal. Mathurin, Nembhard and Walker are in year 3. A dude like Furphy is in G-League getting reps.


OKC drafts guys with the purpose of being able to use them.

Thibs would coach like he ONLY liked 5-6 guys on his roster even though rosters are 15-18 deep now. If you're up 25 with 6 minutes to go and the other team is ready to wave the white flag and your coach STILL doesn't wanna take out the starters, that's at best a missed opportunity to get guys in the game and see how they react.

After year 1, you drafted a 23 year old senior in Kolek who's supposed to be plug and play and after a year, what did he learn? Nothing. Dadiet was a raw player who probably needed an entire year in Westchester. He played 14 games. Now it's title or bust and they're gonna be more willing to use them?



and when it comes to two timelines, Lacob wasn't wrong. They won a title. What we've come to find out is that their drafting hasn't been as good. Just because we as fans don't mind if the Warriors burn down the ground after Curry leaves doesn't mean they should. The GM's job is always to have one eye on today and one eye on tomorrow. Thibs didn't look past that night even though the season is a grind. Thibs is the type to sprint the first 2 miles of a marathon and wonder why blind speed walkers are dusting him by mile 5.

There's only 48 minutes available at each position per night

Good to great teams are not mixing and matching rotations during the season. They are playing 8-9. And when someone gets hurt that's an opportunity for someone to step up in the rotation

The only young player who its plausible that should've played more is Dadiet. As a back up wing

When its time to talk actual rotations. You guys have no real answers and solutions.

Kolek has 4 guards in front of em. How tf is he supposed to play

 

[ISO]

There's only 48 minutes available at each position per night

Good to great teams are not mixing and matching rotations during the season. They are playing 8-9. And when someone gets hurt that's an opportunity for someone to step up in the rotation

The only young player who its plausible that should've played more is Dadiet. As a back up wing

When its time to talk actual rotations. You guys have no real answers and solutions.

Kolek has 4 guards in front of em. How tf is he supposed to play

Hukporti was going to be the rookie to make the rotation especially after Sims got shipped out.

Too bad he got hurt. Dadiet isn’t ready and yeah Kolek had JB, Payne, and McBride ahead of him he might end up being our back up PG and a rotation regular this coming season.

 

[tremonthustler1]

There's only 48 minutes available at each position per night

Good to great teams are not mixing and matching rotations during the season. They are playing 8-9. And when someone gets hurt that's an opportunity for someone to step up in the rotation

The only young player who its plausible that should've played more is Dadiet. As a back up wing

When its time to talk actual rotations. You guys have no real answers and solutions.

Kolek has 4 guards in front of em. How tf is he supposed to play

see I disagree at least this season. Dadiet is a project. If he can get some time next year, all good. If Kolek wasn't gonna get an actual shot to play, then there was no point in drafting him at all. He's not a project. If they're gonna go out and sign Payne and get Wright, that's an indictment on the selection because what could Kolek do that ensure that the Knicks don't do something similar this summer?

 

[In The Zone '98]

see I disagree at least this season. Dadiet is a project. If he can get some time next year, all good. If Kolek wasn't gonna get an actual shot to play, then there was no point in drafting him at all. He's not a project. If they're gonna go out and sign Payne and get Wright, that's an indictment on the selection because what could Kolek do that ensure that the Knicks don't do something similar this summer?

Perfect opportunity for you to give blame to Leon Rose

But I reckon you and others will continue to find blame for Thibs for playing vets over a smaller rookie

 

[tremonthustler1]

Perfect opportunity for you to give blame to Leon Rose

But I reckon you and others will continue to find blame for Thibs for playing vets over a smaller rookie

oh he's absolutely culpable only I don't know what those players can be if they're not on the court. If Thibs hates those guys then he shoulda had that convo with Rosas and Rose.

What I can determine is based off when Thibs had the power to select his own guys is that he just doesn't wanna use them. The way the league is going now, cheap production is in demand.

 

[ISO]

see I disagree at least this season. Dadiet is a project. If he can get some time next year, all good. If Kolek wasn't gonna get an actual shot to play, then there was no point in drafting him at all. He's not a project. If they're gonna go out and sign Payne and get Wright, that's an indictment on the selection because what could Kolek do that ensure that the Knicks don't do something similar this summer?

The Knicks don’t have room for a lot of moves. Kolek will have a bigger role and Deuce will be relied upon a lot.

U think because this dude is old he should be back up point off rip on a team with title aspirations? No, it doesn’t work like that.

 

[ISO]

oh he's absolutely culpable only I don't know what those players can be if they're not on the court. If Thibs hates those guys then he shoulda had that convo with Rosas and Rose.

What I can determine is based off when Thibs had the power to select his own guys is that he just doesn't wanna use them. The way the league is going now, cheap production is in demand.

What makes you think he hates them? Dadiet praised him after he was fired.

Jimmy Butler averaged 8 minutes his first year under Thibs by year 4 he was one of the best wings in the league.

 

[tremonthustler1]

The Knicks don’t have room for a lot of moves. Kolek will have a bigger role and Deuce will be relied upon a lot.

U think because this dude is old he should be back up point off rip on a team with title aspirations? No, it doesn’t work like that.

what I'm saying is if there isn't a role within reach for an older prospect, don't draft an older prospect.

 

[In The Zone '98]

oh he's absolutely culpable only I don't know what those players can be if they're not on the court. If Thibs hates those guys then he shoulda had that convo with Rosas and Rose.

What I can determine is based off when Thibs had the power to select his own guys is that he just doesn't wanna use them. The way the league is going now, cheap production is in demand.

If Knicks don't chip in the next two seasons. Leon gotta be outta here

He would have fired the winniest coach in a generation for nothing

Paperclips to ashes