Older thread '20 NYK Off-season Thread

[23Barrettcity]

I'm not saying to use our cap space on FA's, I'm saying to use it on teams that want to dump contracts. Tony Snell and TJ Warren both got moved with picks just for the price of eating their contracts. Both guys were getting paid roughly 12 million a season and went for late-first/early second round compensation.

Those contracts moved at that cost when there was a weaker FA class and the salary cap was supposed to keep going up. Right now, there's even more incentive for teams to want to dump contracts. It's not as flashy as using all that cap and a first on CP3; but the long term value of eating a couple of bad contracts and gaining assets instead of losing some could be a lot more rewarding.

1. You get a few more picks to add the extra 1st and 2nd rounders that have been accumulated. Those either become young players or can be packaged for a star when we're ready to compete.

2. You keep the team in rebuild mode heading into the 2021 draft which is gonna be the most stacked in years (the 1 and done rule goes away for this one, so you get another class' worth of eligible prospects that can jump in).

3. You also could potentially do this, acquire a couple of picks and STILL have cap flexibility because these deals usually only require eating a year or two of a contract that costs half or even less than what CP3 does.

I'll say again though, I don't hate a CP3 trade. I just don't think there's a rush to do it when we have at least one more rebuilding year with or without him. Wait to gauge the trade market because even if the Thunder owners suddenly don't mind spending, there will be others that are desperate to avoid luxury tax payments while their arenas can't sell tickets.

Here’s the thing we need to build a winning culture and that’s something we can get with cp3 we can have a million draft picks but we aren’t get anyone we want to come here until we show we are a competent organization all we have is drawbacks . We need to draft well player develop and put a tough competent team on the floor . I feel like some of your guys out here playing 5 G chess

 

[RickyGQ]

Here’s the thing we need to build a winning culture and that’s something we can get with cp3 we can have a million draft picks but we aren’t get anyone we want to come here until we show we are a competent organization all we have is drawbacks . We need to draft well player develop and put a tough competent team on the floor . I feel like some of your guys out here playing 5 G chess

CP makes that easier for sure... but my NEED for CP went down a lot after we saw all the player personnel we added this offseason. Even without Paul, it’s clear that development is a top priority. We have a shot at getting a generational talent at any pick in the top 5. Everyone talks about Cade, Green and Kuminga, but even a guy like Jalen Johnson (a baby Ben Simmons but can shoot) would easily be the number 1 pick in this draft.

 

[tremonthustler1]

That is a horrible trade in my opinion.

why? you move down 2 spots and still get your guy at 10 at a cheaper slot AND you add Oubre?

 

[Wargames]

why? you move down 2 spots and still get your guy at 10 at a cheaper slot AND you add Oubre?

Oubre doesn’t really seem worth the trouble to move down. Him in the bubble, sitting on the bench while the Suns went 8-0 says a lot about him as a player.

Trading down to #10 for Oubre would be doing the Suns a favor and I can’t support that. They want to move Oubre, pay for the Knicks to absorb that contract.

 

[tremonthustler1]

Oubre doesn’t really seem worth the trouble to move down. Him in the bubble, sitting on the bench while the Suns went 8-0 says a lot about him as a player.

Trading down to #10 for Oubre would be doing the Suns a favor and I can’t support that. They want to move Oubre, pay for the Knicks to absorb that contract.

Oubre has 1 year left at $14 mil. He doesn’t hamper your 2021 plans

 

[Wargames]

Oubre has 1 year left at $14 mil. He doesn’t hamper your 2021 plans

Why would the knicks do them a favor? Oubre is on a bad contract by default. If he was good the Suns wouldn’t be looking to move him, let alone not play him during that 8 game run when they were trying to sneak into the playoffs. Why are the Knicks then moving down two spots for Oubre? He’s probably not in their long term plans, and isn’t even a Thibs type of player.

Keep in mind, it’s not even you who I am looking for the answer for on that. It would be something I would look at Leon Rose funny for doing.

The way I see it the whole world had to get messed up for the knicks to be in an advantageous position. Cap space is really valuable. Take full advantage of it.

 

[storyteller]

Here’s the thing we need to build a winning culture and that’s something we can get with cp3 we can have a million draft picks but we aren’t get anyone we want to come here until we show we are a competent organization all we have is drawbacks . We need to draft well player develop and put a tough competent team on the floor . I feel like some of your guys out here playing 5 G chess

I don't think it's 5g chess though. I've got no illusions about signing a superstar. I think we've got to develop our own or trade for one. The best way to do that is to have picks and cap space.

You have more picks and more cap space, you have more flexibility. That means if a star is available by trade, you have more assets to offer and cap space to make contracts work. That means more shots at striking gold in a young player on a rookie contract. It also means that you can at least match the contracts or offer more money should a free agent really be interested unlikely as that may be right now.

I'm not over here rejecting the value of the trade. It will mean faster growth for RJ, Mitch and other young players. It means a better team in 2020 assuming he stays healthy. It should be the type of acquisition that could draw in a Melo type vet to help as well. I've said this before, CP3 and Melo isn't an offseason I hate.

Personally though, I'd rather chase a couple of the young RFA's while the cap has small market teams nervous and see what teams are willing to pay to create more cap space while we're waiting on decisions. I have a feeling CP3 will still be available if nothing worthwhile comes our way...that contract is gonna make any trade talks complicated so we'll have time.

 

[storyteller]

Why would the knicks do them a favor? Oubre is on a bad contract by default. If he was good the Suns wouldn’t be looking to move him, let alone not play him during that 8 game run when they were trying to sneak into the playoffs. Why are the Knicks then moving down two spots for Oubre? He’s probably not in their long term plans, and isn’t even a Thibs type of player.

Keep in mind, it’s not even you who I am looking for the answer for on that. It would be something I would look at Leon Rose funny for doing.

The way I see it the whole world had to get messed up for the knicks to be in an advantageous position. Cap space is really valuable. Take full advantage of it.

This is basically my motto this offseason. The rumor mill is all contract offers lower than I was expecting and rumors about what contracts teams want to dump. I don't think this is gonna be a typical trade or free agent market.

 

[storyteller]

I've been operating on the assumption that Hayes won't make it to 8. If he's there, he'd be the pick to me.

 

[Wargames]

I've been operating on the assumption that Hayes won't make it to 8. If he's there, he'd be the pick to me.

I don’t know. I think that the team most likely to take Obi is the Cavs at 5 and if we trade up with them. Obi will likely still be there at 8. Hell even if he’s not there at 8, Okongwu will. Like us being their trade partner makes sense because we need to jump over both the Hawks and Pistons to ensure we get Okoro, while at least one of the better PF or even Wiseman will be there at 8 for them.

 

[ISO]

 

[ISO]

I said it here mad times “Thibs don’t give a fukk about a 3”. I’ve accepted that, ya’ll will too.... I don’t know how offensively it would work, but Thib barely cares about offense. He is the anti-D’antoni.


To be fair I said this a few days ago, we have never been attached to anyone who you would expect to be drafted at 27. They’ve never moved like they expected to use that pick. If they can move into the top 5 for just #27 which is what the rumor is, you got to give them credit.


There have been no mentions of those late first pick player’s names. The only things I’ve heard has always had us either around 8 or near the end of the lottery. Which not for nothing I think they could probably get a late lottery pick by absorbing a contract.

If we gonna continue to suck at threes and FT’s, the hallmarks of modern efficiency than you could forget about this team being any good.

 

[ISO]

Why would the knicks do them a favor? Oubre is on a bad contract by default. If he was good the Suns wouldn’t be looking to move him, let alone not play him during that 8 game run when they were trying to sneak into the playoffs. Why are the Knicks then moving down two spots for Oubre? He’s probably not in their long term plans, and isn’t even a Thibs type of player.

Keep in mind, it’s not even you who I am looking for the answer for on that. It would be something I would look at Leon Rose funny for doing.

The way I see it the whole world had to get messed up for the knicks to be in an advantageous position. Cap space is really valuable. Take full advantage of it.

$14M for Oubre is not a bad contract.

Suns were 8-0 in the bubble because D-Book became ‘06 Kobe Bryant.

Oubre got flaws but he’s young, versatile, and athletic. U overthinking it if you don’t want a 24 year old guy who averaged 19/6.5 last season.

 

[storyteller]

I don’t know. I think that the team most likely to take Obi is the Cavs at 5 and if we trade up with them. Obi will likely still be there at 8. Hell even if he’s not there at 8, Okongwu will. Like us being their trade partner makes sense because we need to jump over both the Hawks and Pistons to ensure we get Okoro, while at least one of the better PF or even Wiseman will be there at 8 for them.

One thing about this piece is that it really makes the Knicks sound content to wait for who falls to them. It name drops Obi, Killian and Okoro as the ones they're eye'ing at 8. Could be posturing for leverage though.

The Knicks had gone into last season with an eye on drafting a point guard of the future but they are not stuck on that idea since president Leon Rose took charge in March. For instance, if forward Obi Toppin falls to No. 8, they certainly would pounce. Small forward Isaac Okoro also has intrigue.

 

[storyteller]

More rumors, this is the second time I've seen this dude mentioned. I won't pretend to know a whole ton about him but after some looking back, I do recall this guy being good in FIBA play. Maybe a Priggy Smalls for the new era? The ball handling, touch and clever passing all fit that bill...