Oldheads who ran 1995: biggie or tupac
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bigbadbossup2012
Biggest baddest boss
MAybe you're a lil too old cause you done lost your fukking mind.
You really serious about this:
"It's revisionist because claimed it was getting heavy rotation on MTV when back in those days it was still HARD AF for black music to get any rotation ON MTV except for Yo! MTV Raps ."
Not to mention RIAA only gives certification if people (the artist and/or label) pay for it. And the certification date is when it was paid for, not when it actually shipped that amount.
It's puzzling that people never take this into account in these kinds of threads. There's certifications on RIAA going back to the 1960's....people seriously think RIAA was tracking what every album shipped in real time 30 years before the internet existed?
So anyway, RIAA.com is wildly inaccurate for this kind of stuff. I've said this literally 10-15 separate times in threads, and it never sinks in.
Fred.
bigbadbossup2012
Biggest baddest boss
I agree it's flawed but do you have access to a more accurate source?Not to mention RIAA only gives certification if people (the artist and/or label) pay for it. And the certification date is when it was paid for, not when it actually shipped that amount.
It's puzzling that people never take this into account in these kinds of threads. There's certifications on RIAA going back to the 1960's....people seriously think RIAA was tracking shipping info in real time 30 years before the internet existed?
So anyway, RIAA.com is wildly inaccurate for this kind of stuff. I've said this literally 10-15 separate times in threads, and it never sinks in.
Fred.
How would I know about LA...again that's why I originally stated I was from NY.
Come on breh u really trying to sit here and tell me BIG Poppa didn't get tons of video play? One more chance didnt either? Between MTV, BET, and Video Music Box I saw those videos a ton of times.
What is not true about that? MTV kept black music out of their station for the longest. It started out not having ANY black music at all with the exception of Prince and Michael Jackson. Had it not been for Yo! MTV Raps back in 1988, MTV would of still been an "all white" music channel. The whole reason BET was even created what due in response of MTV not showing black music videos. Back in the early to mid-90's it was KNOWN for an artist to truly CROSSOVER if your song hits MTV.... MTV was still not representing black music like that at all.... and by 1995, YO! MTV Raps, the only show on MTV that was showcasing hip hop was on its last leg. In fact the show ENDED in 1995.
Rap City was the main show at the time where hip hop was shown nationwide everyday, 2hrs.... with Big Lez and Joe Claire. that how it was in 1995. I only speak of facts that I know 1st hand.
Nah, I wasn't meaning that it DIDN'T get tons of video play. All of his videos have. But what I am saying it didn't DOMINATE like you said. It was very balanced in the rotations with the rest of the joints that came out that year. One didn't override another. But I can see where you are coming from due to you being there in NYC.... I bet Biggie was everywhere at that time. I know out west, people were still bumping Death Row like CRAZY. back in those days, there was a lot of separation musically between regions.
With that said, One More Chance DID get nationwide love EVERYWHERE. As well as Method Man's All that I Need remix.
I hear u...like I said b4, everything is subjective. That's why it's always funny to me when people state an opinion as fact. If u grow up in different places u experience shyt in different ways.
bigbadbossup2012
Biggest baddest boss
Art Barr
INVADING SOHH CHAMPION
Bet and MTV are not indicative of actual record sales.
As even Redman and common sense on their debut singles in that era.
were number one on rapcity and yo MTV raps countdowns for weeks at a time.
Including Redman set the record for rapcity and yo MTV weeks at number one on video countdowns with blow ya mind.
As well as common sense had record setting weeks at number one on their countdown for take it eZ as well.
Those two channels had individual programming that were not necessarily juxtaposed as far as rap was generally concerned.
Especially after MTV entered into marketing prison industrial economic based rap.
when they started to play gangsta rap videos after banning straight outta cimption.
Then coming around to NWA for what would be the NWA MTV style video and single for respect yaself.
As far as judging popularity and how it related to the charts.
I would not know how they calculated how videos became number one on yo and rapcity. As culturally sometimes they made sense and sometimes in a pop context the rankings made sense.
Typically, they both pandered to the underground and also debuted great groups when typically they were shunned.
Art Barr
Art Barr
INVADING SOHH CHAMPION
Bone were clearly the dominate wave for regular nikkaz and their sound image and style.
had an adamantium Grip on regular nikkaz.
who did not know a damn thing about hip hop, culturally.
that when Pac did finally embrace thug life all the way, as his drawing scope during the whole trial Dr bail situation.
He was the next natural draw for that audience and new influx of gateway rap fans.
Who never knew anything as it related to the actual culture of hiphop.
Bone's adamantium grip still is relevant to this day as of right now.
As twenty years later all of rap is basically a bone rehash on autotune.
Bone was so big.
that when they fell off as a draw in relation to Pac.
All resulting because of pisspoor solo submissions.
Which created a disconnect towards the fan base.
leading to them flocking to become standard Pac fans in oversaturated marketing bliss.
Most of pac's rabid fan base is trickled down from ruthless and priority fan base consisting of bone fans and defunct dead draw ice cub fans from Westside connection.
Who soon Pac melded the thug life and wcc direction as far thug marketing all the way to wcc Mecca envy based marketing resulting in pac's fabricated east west coast conflict.
When Pac was already a Mecca associated artist from live squad.
Which is why the entire scope of pac's dissed were juvenile and completely fabricated.
Then used to cover up what the transcripts talk about.
That Pac fans now act like they don't know about.
yet we all who got the transcripts really know what happened.
Since Pac is such a polarosing popular figure I am not going to be the person who disclosed those facts.
I will wait for a brave Pac fan to re-iterate.
what really happened to the female and why Pac really got shot.
Leading to the selective memory of the Stan mentality as Pac fans are the next evolution of the bone Stan.
That in delussional fashion has selective memory about the facts.
that same delussion and selective memory brought on every fan base of Stan, befor the term was crafted by a Pac Stan in Eminem later on Marshall mathers lp.
Where all stans act in the same manner to combat the rabid emotion.
portrayed in bulk by sheer large number population from Pac fans. who were former gateway gangsta rap fans from the beginning of the prison industrial complex marketed rap.
Art Barr
Ol’Otis
The Picasso of the Ghetto
what really happened?
Art Barr
INVADING SOHH CHAMPION
Hopefully one of these Pac clone war stans will be real and forthright about the truth and post it.
Watch how many duck saying what happened and then leading to how and why Pac got shot in retaliation.
Plus how it all goes hand in hand to certain movements that were large number in the ten years after and that movement was phased out when other people were apprehended and the truth became obvious. Where also the drawing posthumous run for Pac was also phased out marketing wise when said transcripts surfaced as well.
So i will wait for one of these so called Pac clone war stans to be real and post what happened.
shyt they look for makaveli the lost file 8 to infinity like they had the most episodes to Leonard part six.
So imma wait till they post what happened in good faith and exact truth.
Art Barr
