Open Court: Shaq Has A Problem With Steve Nash Being A MVP

[BelowTheMasonDixon]

he was a good player but never anywhere close to top 5 in the league. I don't know how you can be the MVP of the league if you ain't even top 5 in the league. he won because they changed the definition of MVP during that era. it became all about "making ya teammates better" have no idea how thats judged but somehow it was the argument used to give him 2 MVPs.

a legit argument could be made he was not even the best player at his position during those years. Tony Parker and Chauncey Billups was out there winning finals MVPs.

A legit argument can be made pepsi taste better than coke too. What's the point? You really saying Chauncey Billups was better than Nash, ok bring up his team as well. Wasn't like Detroit didn't have a great roster too....Oh wait... Didn't Tony Parker play with the Spurs oh wait he STILL does...how is that working out for him...


You telling me Nash doesn't get a ring in his prime playing in San Antonio?

 

[BlackMajik]

"Gimmick" offense that the league started to mimic down the line? The same gimmick that Pop took, and led to the Spurs recent resurgence?

Stop it. Nash led that team. And they made it to the WCF that year, against the best player in the NBA. Losing isnt the worst thing in the world.


Kobe wouldn't have won in '06. Dirk or Lebron would have


And Kobe blew a 3-1 lead, then bytched out in game 7. He's lucky the media ever rewarded him with an MVP after that

Complete fukkin bullshyt

 

[BlackMajik]

A legit argument can be made pepsi taste better than coke too. What's the point? You really saying Chauncey Billups was better than Nash, ok bring up his team as well. Wasn't like Detroit didn't have a great roster too....Oh wait...

He was. Did Nash actually play any defense ever???

U must be one of those folks who don't give players credit for playing defense since it's not really a trackable stat

 

[BelowTheMasonDixon]

He was. Did Nash actually play any defense ever???

U must be one of those folks who don't give players credit for playing defense since it's not really a trackable stat

Chauncey was great. let me say it HE WAS GREAT. Was he Nash, IMO No.

And you must think leading the league in assist isn't something worth getting credit for. Pass the rock my homie.


Also Nash was a legit 50% 40% guy. at the PG position.

What was Chauncey's best shooting year?

 

[nairdas]

He deserved those MVPs and this how I know. He was out 4 games at one point and the suns lost all 4 of those games by being blown the fukk out. It was like they couldn't even function with out dude.

 

[Cool Dr. Money]

Shaq was hating. i was cool with Nash winning the first one but the second no

 

[BlackMajik]

Chauncey was great. let me say it HE WAS GREAT. Was he Nash, IMO No.

And you must think leading the league in assist isn't something worth getting credit for. Pass the rock my homie.

Ur right Billups wasn't Nash becuz Billups played Defense

All those assists (along with that gimmick offense) got his ass 0 finals appearances & 0 rings

 

[mrken12]

CAC won 2 MVP's without playing defense is still

MAVS went to 2 NBA Finals without this fraud. Dude was always gassed out when the playoffs came around while playing for the MAVS.

That's the key part right there.

How can you be 2 time MVP but only be valuable in one aspect of the game?

 

[Swagnificent]

Joe Johnson averaged like 15ppg a game for the suns. PLUS don't act like Shaq never played on suited up ass teams. I get it we don't like white people @ the coli, but acting yall moving goal post like shyt with post like these.

no. he averaged 17/5 as a 4th option and ended up getting a max deal from the Hawks that summer cause they knew he was worth more than his stats. dude was a really good player and IMO if they kept him they prolly woulda won a title. 2 way guy who could take people one on one and knock down catch and shoot opportunities. not alot of those guys in the league.

 

[mrken12]

Joe Johnson averaged like 15ppg a game for the suns. PLUS don't act like Shaq never played on suited up ass teams. I get it we don't like white people @ the coli, but acting yall moving goal post like shyt with post like these.

Was the Antoni offense not a gimmick offense that was inadequate in the playoffs? There's no denying that part.

Plus Nash was horrible on defense. There's no way that he deserved to be a 2 time MVP.

 

[GreatestLaker]

Nash had no business winning MVP. How are you going to be MVP of the league when you aren't even a top 5 player?

 

[blackestofpanthers]

What? They were clearly as bad as their record indicates. They weren't good with Steph that year. Obviously they needed a PG, and Barbosa was still a good player for them once he found his rightful role.

Barbosa was above average and shouldn't have been a starter or running point. Shawn marion was just entering his prime, amare had injuries. You say "obviously they needed a pg", well no shyt. If they had kept steph they wouldn't have been as bad as the record indicated was the point. Using the argument of "he took them from 29 wins to 62" is clearly one of not using context. The context matters when using such an argument. They would have increased their win total with any competent point guard, plus quentin richardson being good during that time, joe johnson taking a leap forward, amare being healthy and taking a leap forward.

 

[BelowTheMasonDixon]

no. he averaged 17/5 as a 4th option and ended up getting a max deal from the Hawks that summer cause they knew he was worth more than his stats. dude was a really good player and IMO if they kept him they prolly woulda won a title. 2 way guy who could take people one on one and knock down catch and shoot opportunities. not alot of those guys in the league.

Man that nikka aint NEVER been worth no damn max. Atlanta got to over pay and Brooklyn is retarded. Plus that nikka was terrible in the playoffs as a Hawk.

And the suns would have won the title if Amare wasn't suspended for game 6.

 

[Swagnificent]

Kobe wouldn't have won in '06. Dirk or Lebron would have


And Kobe blew a 3-1 lead, then bytched out in game 7. He's lucky the media ever rewarded him with an MVP after that

if they still had the PLAYERS award the MVP rather than the media, Kobe woulda won it going away.

Kobe won 45 games in the brutal west with Kwame Brown, Smush Parker, and Luke Walton STARTING. Just think about that. 3 of the worst players in the league and they were critical starters for us. He was going 1 on 5 most nights and single handedly took them up 3-1. Remember the game tying and then game winning shots in Game 4 against the Suns?

Once Kobe got a halfway decent player next to him in Pau, he went to 3 straight finals and won 2 rings.

If he had a halfway decent roster in 06 when he was in the prime of his career, he would not only have won the title but probably been the unanimous league MVP.

 

[Houston911]

Shaq "they gave it to him cuz I couldn't get it every year"

Umm, you only got it once shaq

Lol

He's right though