NYC Rebel
...on the otherside of the pond
Bwahahahahahah.
The 90s was watered down expansion team waste. The fukk are you talking about
You're just a shytty poster all around.
Oscar Robertson Averaged a tripple double over 6 years
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Bwahahahahahah.
The 90s was watered down expansion team waste. The fukk are you talking about
You're just a shytty poster all around.
dantheman9758
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For the critics: Simple and style-less as Big O's game looks on film (he's the Tim Duncan of PG's IMO) tell me with a straight face Big O was up against weak competition. He's ballin with the likes of Dr. J in that video and doin just fine. I used to have a Big O highlight reel up that was over 10 minutes but I took it down cause I'm working on a better one. You guys have to really understand how simple basketball can be played at an elite level in order to know what made Oscar so good. All that stuff Kyrie does with his hands, or Magic did on the break, or MJ in the air etc - it all is brilliant looking, but is also 100% not-necessary in order to be dominant. Oscar made an effort to NOT be stylish, he despised being labeled as a black player playing like a globetrotter because in that time that's how black basketball players were pretty much all thought to be. Clown princes on the court. He wanted to be the antithesis of that. He wanted to beat white players at their own "purist" game (intellectual, below the rim basketball).
And to help him out, he was physically BIG for a PG. He was about 6-4 w/o shoes 205-220lbs with a huge ass and would just back his big ass in on ur typical 175-200lb guards of the time and punish them. He had spots on the floor, and hardly any guard could stop him from getting there. His simple dribble was ugly in our eyes today 'cause we're accustomed to watching the game played without palming calls anymore but his handle - even in the days when palming was called - was untouchable. You couldn't steal it from him because he used his body and arms so well to keep you away and keep the ball out of reach. I have a dozen or so games and game halves of his and over 25 minutes of total additional highlight footage and I literally cannot recall EVER seeing the ball stolen from him during his dribble... NOT ONCE and that is even when the likes of Jerry West, K.C. Jones, or Clyde Frazier is guarding him (all elite ball-hawking defenders). Oscar was one of the surest dribblers I've ever seen. And his competition is far from scrubs. Below is the type of handles they had. Remember, Oscar could have played like this if he wanted too. He CHOSE not to. And he still dominated everyone.
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dantheman9758
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So had not even invented blocks back then?
The first crossover probably had them like
So with that logic can we say that a 100 years from now when their playing with bionic parts and they will look at the game we plan now and consider it inferior?
Most crossovers in the 60's were called as a palming violation. It wasn't until the late 60's and early 70's that the palming rule started to give way as more playground influence was accepted into the "purists" (IE boring) Brown-Ball league (the NBA) because people started recognizing the entertainment value in the dazzling play being showcased in the ABA which encouraged more dunking/dribbling/individualistic play. Rules really got slack with ball handling coming into the AI era. The crossover move itself, and other moves we see today and think of as "modern" inventions had all probably been used on playgrounds for decades before they were used in the NBA. - and I have footage of a lot of moves like Eurosteps and crossovers being used in the 60's so that means these moves could have existed in the 40's on ww2 Aircraft carrier leagues and such for all I know. It likely just wasn't okay to use them in the NBA yet due to strict "purist" rules being pushed at the time.
For example, you had to dribble palms down. It's difficult to crossover when you can't put your hand on the side of the ball:
Though it could be done, and was done, just less frequently:
Refs today let players put their hand literally underneath the ball as they dribble up the court. Ball handlers today touch the ball anywhere they want, they even are allowed a substantial amount of hesitation. Strict "Palms down" dribbling isn't in fashion anymore. The games rules have evolved for a more aesthetic and free flowing brand of basketball. But that doesn't mean fancy ball handlers today could go back in time and strut their stuff. They'd be committing all sorts of violations and turning the ball over. The crowd wouldn't go
rather, they'd go 
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ProfessorEdee
More daps than posts!
So before the 80s it was watered down...
Now is a "weak era" let some people tell it....
So the only era worth a damn is the era when Jordan played...?
Thank you NBA for your marketing genius....
ltheghost
Payin Debts.... N40
Grant Hill was a BEAST when he played for the Pistons...I went to a couple of those games and I was shocked to see how good he was. And I HATED THAT nikka!!! (DUKE
) And Detroit had those ugly ass colors and jerseys back then....he would have been Lebron if not better if he didn't get hurt.
But those Oscar Robinson numbers..WOOOOOOOO!!!
) And Detroit had those ugly ass colors and jerseys back then....he would have been Lebron if not better if he didn't get hurt.But those Oscar Robinson numbers..WOOOOOOOO!!!
That's what I said you dumbfukk. But it had nothing to do with expansion. The league didn't have any influx of real talent
dantheman9758
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Everyone should read my above two posts - and with that being understood watch Oscar in these game highlights i made. Remember, his "style" is to play cerebral under-the-rim basketball that LACKS the stereotypical Harlem-Globetrotter flash and entertainment:
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCYlJ7W77OA"]Highlights: 1971 NBA Finals G4 Milwaukee Bucks vs Baltimore Bullets (2nd-Half Only) - YouTube[/ame]
He's the Tim Duncan of PG's. He racks up stats like nobody else at his position in spite of his "boring" game. Despite his lack of flash, his game had zero holes in it. He punished his competition with simple consistent moves.
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCYlJ7W77OA"]Highlights: 1971 NBA Finals G4 Milwaukee Bucks vs Baltimore Bullets (2nd-Half Only) - YouTube[/ame]
He's the Tim Duncan of PG's. He racks up stats like nobody else at his position in spite of his "boring" game. Despite his lack of flash, his game had zero holes in it. He punished his competition with simple consistent moves.
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Most crossovers in the 60's were called as a palming violation. It wasn't until the late 60's and early 70's that the palming rule started to give way as more playground influence was accepted into the "purists" (IE boring) Brown-Ball league (the NBA) because people started recognizing the entertainment value in the dazzling play being showcased in the ABA which encouraged more dunking/dribbling/individualistic play. Rules really got slack with ball handling coming into the AI era. The crossover move itself, and other moves we see today and think of as "modern" inventions had all probably been used on playgrounds for decades before they were used in the NBA. - and I have footage of a lot of moves like Eurosteps and crossovers being used in the 60's so that means these moves could have existed in the 40's on ww2 Aircraft carrier leagues and such for all I know. It likely just wasn't okay to use them in the NBA yet due to strict "purist" rules being pushed at the time.
For example, you had to dribble palms down. It's difficult to crossover when you can't put your hand on the side of the ball:
Why many 60s-70s NBA players don't crossover or display "handles" (stricter palming calls) - YouTube
Though it could be done, and was done, just less frequently:
Jerry West Crossovers - YouTube
Refs today let players put their hand literally underneath the ball as they dribble up the court. Ball handlers today touch the ball anywhere they want, they even are allowed a substantial amount of hesitation. Strict "Palms down" dribbling isn't in fashion anymore. The games rules have evolved for a more aesthetic and free flowing brand of basketball. But that doesn't mean fancy ball handlers today could go back in time and strut their stuff. They'd be committing all sorts of violations and turning the ball over. The crowd wouldn't go
This is 5 star informational posting.....and you brought up a point I've never considered when thinking about generational comparisons. The difference in rules, and not from the sense of the 3 point line or goaltends or outlawing dunks, but how they were enforced.
Right now, the NBA we're watching damn near refuses to call travels since Ewing played and palming ain't been called in a few years that I know of, but cats now would be turnover machines if they played back then. I'm not saying Bron would be ineffective, but it would definitely be a different player than we see now. I bet players back then would have less of an adjustment to the modern game than players now going back then......and that's not even mentioning them stiff ass rims they was shooting at back then.
You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to dantheman9758 again
GOAT posting breh
Oscar>magic
The difference in eras has been discussed on this board (in its many incarnations) at length.
The posts above are a great example of what many people don't understand.
You have to factor in the rules and enforcement, along with things like training, overall health and development, coaching and playing styles. I mean, Bob Cousy played in the pre shot clock era for fukks sake. We grade players of the 60's and 70's against moves they didn't have because there wasn't a need for them. Also, many players from these eras were playing in the NBA and working actual jobs in the off season, because the pay was so piss poor. they weren't full-time athletes, devoted to the craft, training for 2-3 hours a day even on their vacations.
But to the original point of the thread - Big O is considered one of the 10 or so greatest players of all time. So... I think he gets plenty of respect.
The posts above are a great example of what many people don't understand.
You have to factor in the rules and enforcement, along with things like training, overall health and development, coaching and playing styles. I mean, Bob Cousy played in the pre shot clock era for fukks sake. We grade players of the 60's and 70's against moves they didn't have because there wasn't a need for them. Also, many players from these eras were playing in the NBA and working actual jobs in the off season, because the pay was so piss poor. they weren't full-time athletes, devoted to the craft, training for 2-3 hours a day even on their vacations.
But to the original point of the thread - Big O is considered one of the 10 or so greatest players of all time. So... I think he gets plenty of respect.
MustafaSTL
Achievement In Every Field of Human Endeavor
Lucky_Lefty
Dreams Are Colder Than Death...
Oscar>magic
I've been saying this for years. I'm LWO all day every day, but for someone not to recognize O's greatness is crazy. I actually have him at #4 in my top 5behind Wilt, Cap & MJ
MustafaSTL
Achievement In Every Field of Human Endeavor
I think it's hard to get into discussing how a player would do in a different era and all of that. But I will say the numbers in the NBA back in the 60s were hella inflated with the style of play back then. They used to throw shots up within 10 seconds of the shot clock every possession. How do you think Wilt had enough possessions to average 50 points per game? While he was dominant, those Philly teams were averaging 120+ per game. So while I will never take anything away from what they did, including Oscar averaging a triple double, I can't look at a player today and say that he could be able to do so. There simply aren't enough possessions in a game nowadays for a player to accumulate those kind of numbers.
Yall really think nikkaz in pf flyers can do work in this era of basketball hunks
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