Papoose: Nas Greatness gets downplayed because....

[spliz]

Def jam didn’t spend shyt of KC. It was all Jay. MNF & Budweiser were deals Jay had. That was the bulk of his promotion

u just make up stories with jay z and I’m the only one who checks you lol

nikka are u stupid? For one. When the album came out. That was all in the news reports around that time. That Budweiser shyt was for one commercial spot and the rest was helping them with their shyt. U think Jay spent all that marketing with his OWN cash? It was Def Jam’s marketing budgets n shyt he was using. You ain’t checkin shyt u dikksucker. Also people was tight because the other artists on the label wasn’t really getting promotion like that while Jay was the President and Jay was dropping shyt and promoting his own shyt. That situation is literally what caused a lot of issues with him and other artists on the label. Be it Meth, DMX, LL Cool J, etc etc. nikkas like Meth wasn’t even getting Video budget’s for they new singles around that time Kingdom Come came out. Let’s not forget that Lady Sovereign bullshyt. Lol. If u wasn’t Jay and to a lesser extent Nas shyt wasn’t seeing promo like that.

 

[spliz]

Nas music is just boring. The more he release music the more detach he gets from being looked at as top tier.

Yea. So boring he outsold every single legacy artist last year we can speak of. Out sold most new artists we can speak of. And is nominated for a Grammy. And also outsold every artist nominated next to him.

 

[spliz]

I'm just curious to get the answer. But in terms of a plat album no, it doesn't break even when the label gets about 62% of sales revenue. And that's not counting promo which is an expense, which wasn't coming out of Nas' budget. The label paid for that. They did a pretty impressive mixtape promo with Statik, among other things.

I agree they were way more concerned about KC.

Fam. One platinum album is worth almost 15 million dollars. 62% of that is just over 9 million dollars.

 

[Edub]

It’s true....from an MC standpoint, but I think a lot of people have nas as a great, if not number 1. But he is right about the truth, if the truth is acknowledged then a lot of gray area goes away......and oh how the suckas love to live in the grey area ......its like michael jackson...clearly the greatest, the king of pop, downplayed into wacko jacko while justin Timberlake Brittany spears and the rest of them cacs went to work tryin to take pop back with the cac music industry......



we don’t see truth in our society cause too many Cant exist in it ....and that’s pathetic

 

[Artfull Dodger]

Some of the Habitual Line Steppers in this thread ain't worth the responses....
u cant even school 'em on basics

 

[Shadow King]

And just to out it into perspective of Nas going platinum with Street's Disciple:

1) It had no hit songs

2) It dropped the same day as T.I. dropped Urban Legend. T.I. was on fire and had "Bring Em Out" and "U Don't Know Me" as singles. Nas ended up doing around the same numbers as T.I. in his first week and T.I. had the bigger buzz.

3) It was Nas's least commercial album.

Less commercial than HHID and, especially, Untitled? Or his least commercial at the time?

 

[spliz]

Less commercial than HHID and, especially, Untitled? Or his least commercial at the time?

That’s why he said “was”. At that time is when he first stopped chasing obvious singles.

 

[Sniper]

THE Great is the issue guy. Not A Great

The host said Nas was one of “The Greats”, Pap said he was “Great”.

Pap’s point was pointless when talking about Nas. Everyone knows he’s great and one of “The Greats”, guy.

 

[3rdWorld]

He's 100% correct..

96% of the current industry has no business in a studio, let alone getting a release date.

 

[JustCKing]

Less commercial than HHID and, especially, Untitled? Or his least commercial at the time?

I think its less commercial than both. HHID had production from Scott Storch, Will.I.Am, Dre, Stargate, and Kanye. Those were some of the biggest hitmakers at the time.

Untitled had Stargate, Polow Da Don, Cool & Dre, Keri Hilson, and a Chris Brown feature.

Street's Disciple was mostly, if not fully Nas's usual production team. Q Tip being a reunion of sorts since it is the first song they did since "One Love" and "World Is Yours" remix.

 

[DontEemTry]

A lot of listeners don't handle metaphor heavy lyrics well. You gotta be simple and direct for them understand you.

I remember back in college playing Illmatic for people and they were all like, "Nas be using big words" They loved Pac though.

Big words?

Nas uses big words?

 

[JustCKing]

Fam. One platinum album is worth almost 15 million dollars. 62% of that is just over 9 million dollars.

This.

Also consider, there were less than 5-6 platinum Hip Hop albums released in 2006:

T.I.- King
Jay Z- Kingdom Come
Kast- Idlewild
Jeezy- Inspiration
Game- Doctor's Advocate
Nas- Hip Hop Is Dead (and this sold more first week than Jeezy)

 

[prophecypro]

Some of yall in this thread are literally making Pap's point coming up with sales and hit making as a way to downplay him, knowing full well trends and sounds change and ebb and flow and its very hard for a lyrcist whos peak is associated for a specific era/region to be even semi-relevant like he has still during those times without a massive hit. That to me in itself is something to be impressed when you consider all things.

 

[prophecypro]

This.

Also consider, there were less than 5-6 platinum Hip Hop albums released in 2006:

T.I.- King
Jay Z- Kingdom Come
Kast- Idlewild
Jeezy- Inspiration
Game- Doctor's Advocate
Nas- Hip Hop Is Dead (and this sold more first week than Jeezy)

Yeah that era from like 2006-2014 when going plat was like maybe 8 or less acts sometimes is why even going a higher gold (600k-750l) and debuting high like number 1 was impressive still.

 

[Deltron]

Nas ain’t teaching shyt in his music

No one has ever said this about Nas music

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