People that are broke CHOOSE to be BROKE!
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mbewane
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The whole American-Anglosaxon storyline is based on neoliberal economic theories in which individuals are nothing more than rational economic agents who have the necessary info to make the right life choices. Emotions, family, place of birth, age, gender, colour, personnal tastes, etc...are not taken into account at all, which is obviously bs. Therefore, if one does not succeed, it's his/her fault, because "We are all free and have all access to the same opportunities" which is the biggest bs you can hear when discussing these issues, but say it often enough...and people still believe it. Every now and then the media props up a "self-made" man success story from someone from a difficult background and the underlying "moral" of the story is "Look : this guy made it, so what are YOU doing?". All of this serves the purpose of diminishing the human value of human beings and of seeing them strictly as economic agents on one side, and dismissing any kind of societal reason that can lead one (or whole communities) to not succeed. Once you convince the general public that poor people CHOOSE to be poor, why help them? If you follow the neoliberal logic, it's counter-productive. So you cut funding for schools, then medical infrastructure, than infrastructure in general...in poorer areas. Rich people don't care, because they can pay for it anyway.
KravenMorehead™
Barrel Brothers.®
It's like the argument about slavery being 400 years ago and how black people have no excuse. If you mentally enslave someone you don't need physical chains.
Same with the individual. Physically speaking the lanes might be open but psychologically there's alot of lanes shut down so they can't make that move. You can't see that on the surface so to friends, family, outsiders, etc. it looks like they're just lazy.
It takes alot to open those lanes and it depends on that individual person and their desires. For some it's money(catch-22). For others it's genuine love "relationship"-wise. For others it's admiration and respect from parents. Et cetera.
Same with the individual. Physically speaking the lanes might be open but psychologically there's alot of lanes shut down so they can't make that move. You can't see that on the surface so to friends, family, outsiders, etc. it looks like they're just lazy.
It takes alot to open those lanes and it depends on that individual person and their desires. For some it's money(catch-22). For others it's genuine love "relationship"-wise. For others it's admiration and respect from parents. Et cetera.
KinksandCoils
African American Queen
a person could have a labor job that pays ok but they have a lot of kids so therefore they could be broke. That's an example maybe. Plus Lots of people work hard hun. Hard working people and financially stability don't always go hand in hand.
fukkyalifestyle
Superstar
I see the same bums at the same street with the same sign all the time.
I know plenty of people like that... usually it's because of the situation they were put into. But you can work your ass off and be bad at money management and you'll still be broke. Or you can be a hard worker and go into debt for any reason, not just living beyond your means but if you get sick or have a parent or child who gets sick or your car breaks down and has to be replaced as opposed to repaired or any number or things and now you're working 60+ hours and are still broke, or even in heavy debt. And depending on your job and money situation you can work your ass off and not actually advance in your field, so you're not making any more money but all of your expenses continue to go up. There's any number of legitimate reasons why someone who works hard can end up broke, especially when you consider a lot of people start their adult working lives off behind for reasons not their fault.
People love to judge from their own personal experience but there's millions of situations going on in this country alone. It's never just work hard and you're guaranteed success like media or government would want you suckers to believe.
The_King_of_Everything
Yeah.
It's not what you know. It's who you know.
There was a video on YouTube about this...homeless people showing why they were homeless and such. People with actual talent and degree's were in the fold as well. No one can give you the answer to success sometimes it's just the cards you're dealt and others about how you can tough it out. Anyone can go broke and homeless at any given time.
This x100000000000000000. Bad money management. It's not really how much you make but how well you take care of how much you make.
philmonroe
Superstar
I guess but having a lot of kids is a personal choice right? That's why I mainly agreed with OP. Its things of your doing that usually stop you. If that same person doesn't have kids (which they control) they wouldn't be broke in your example. Hard working smart (decision) people and financial stability go hand in hand Hun. Maybe I should have expanded the statement because some people that may feel attacked may take that as a slight but I promise its not. Personally all the people I've come across that work hard and make "smart" decisions have done ok and aren't broke. Like I said that don't make them rich and if that's the criteria for this discussion I'll say I'm wrong but otherwise all of them have financial stability from the choices they made career and otherwise. That's why I can't agree. Maybe we need to have a baseline of what we mean monetarily, material wise, etc to know exactly what the goals are too.
Honestly the only sucker would be you because the government or anybody never guaranteed success just by working hard. I haven't saw that message ever because if that was the case you could sue them for fake advertisement. Even if they did you'd have to be a real dummy to believe its that easy or everybody would do it. At times I feel a lot of people look for any reason just to be avg/not work hard and attack anyone saying they can do better.
Also this is generalized stuff I don't know everybody situation in the first place. I'm talking to what I believe most people are and that's they don't have a dire event in their life like family sickness and the sort. Its a lot of people on here and in life in general that don't have that going on because if they did they sure as hell wouldn't be on here, partying, bullshytting with their time if that was the case. If they are they are they're crazy. I'm not heartless at all and definitely would go on a case by case basis IRL application but we are on a messageboard so obvious generalizing that hits most IMO here we go. If y'all here to tell me everybody got some super bad experience going on in their life that prevents them from not being more than broke or that genders them I can't agree with that. You might not be rich but you can be good with money saved up and that's been true of everybody I see that works hard and makes good decisions. I think that has to be included too cause its not just hard work.
