Phil's Drunk Messin' With The Association Save Again: Knicks 2015-2016 Tryout / Off Season Thread

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It's outside of Cypress Houses. A cousin was beat into a Coma around there because he is from Pink Houses. I haven't chilled out there since. It helped me understand what's plaguing my community and my culture, so I didn't want to be apart of that anymore.

I went out there, had a good time & reminisced.

So yea...it does...yea it does. :mjcry:

Inspirational stuff.
Glad to see you honor it with your message board profile picture.





Anyway.... Fishner went to Phil's New Yorker panel.
http://realkingfish.tumblr.com/post/99966107272/phil-jackson-red-holzman-and-tex-winter

At the end of Sunday’s talk with Phil Jackson at the New Yorker Festival there was an opportunity for some Q&A. During that time I asked Jackson whether there is anything of Red Holzman’s that he’s passed along to Derek Fisher. As mentioned by Frank Isola of the Daily News here and by Mike Breen during tonight’s telecast, Jackson explained that he had taken Fisher to visit with Tex Winter, architect of the Triangle offense, at his home in Manhattan, Kansas, shortly after Fisher had agreed to take the Knicks job and that they spent time discussing the offense at length. Interestingly enough that visit was covered in the Manhattan, Kansas area at the time but didn’t seem to make it to the “other” Manhattan then.

Jackson didn’t respond to my question about Holzman, his first professional coach and mentor, with an answer about Winter because he misheard me. He went on to explain that Holzman didn’t diagram plays and wasn’t an offensive minded coach and that if they were in the huddle and needed a basket he’d turn to the players and ask what they wanted to run and who they wanted to run it for. Jackson said that he considers himself to be a bridge between Winter’s offense and Holzman’s defense and Derek Fisher.

So what kind of defense did Red Holzman stress?

In a wonderful obituary of Holzman, Ira Berkow wrote of exactly what Jackson described:

Holzman’s hard work revolved around the fundamentals of the game. ”I stressed defense — pressure defense,” he once said….In huddles he would sometimes let his players devise plays to create baskets. As for defense, however, he was the sole voice.

That talk of pressure defense made me think of a passage from Roland Lazenby’s “Michael Jordan: The Life”:

Defense dominated Phil Jackson’s first training camp as coach of the Bulls. He had been a baseline-to-baseline player for the Knicks, and he wanted the same for his Bulls. “See the ball,” Red Holzman used to tell his New York teams in terms of pressure defense. Jackson certainly wanted them to have vision, but it was first and foremost a matter of conditioning. To play defense for Jackson, you had to be able to reach those higher gears and stay there.

"When Phil came in, our first training camp was as difficult a camp as I’d ever had," Paxson recalled. "It was defensive-oriented. Everything we did was, start from the defensive end and work to the offensive end. Phil basically made us into a pressure-type team. Defensively, he knew that was how we would win."

"We were gonna play full-court pressure defense," Jackson said. "We were gonna throw our hearts into it."

What did Derek Fisher do in his first practice as a Knick? Focus entirely on defense. What kind of shape is Carmelo Anthony in? The best of his career. Who’s unexpectedly getting a lot of run in the preseason? Dogged Quincy Acy. Jackson wasn’t just talking when he said he wanted to connect Holzman to Fisher. He’s done it.​
 

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Brehs I know it's only preseason but I'm having a tough time imagining this season being anything other then tumultuous.
 

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Need to release JR.
:whoa: On releasing him. Chill.

Put him on the trading block near mid season, but you can't just let him go breh.

The offensive was abysmal yesterday though. I'm still having faith that this can be a fun season. Let them "struggle" cook.
 

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What exactly did Swish do? Shoot a 3 (and miss) when they needed one? If it had been Tim (who struggled last night), would y'all be complaining? Why is everyone ignoring their high assist totals? How do you get those totals in the Triangle if you're not doing something right in it? Why are people complaining about the Triangle before All-star break; let alone in preseason? Why is everyone ignoring their solid defense? NY's projected inability to defend isn't holding up, so the media has switched to their offense. Why is everyone ignoring how they're getting gypped by the refs, despite the Triangle, yet opposing teams are shooting free-throws every time down? NY ain't foulin' like that. The NBA always does them like this and as I told @Wargames, it won't change.

The complaining that Phil and Fish will do might get them calls in a few games, but overall, it will be very much like it's always been. They'll just be more slick with it. In some games, they'll give them a lot of free-throws to make it look good, but anyone having an actual impact on the game will be on the bench in foul trouble, including 'Melo, especially in certain match-ups. The media is already setting the tone that the narrative will be that they don't get calls because they don't run the Triangle correctly, yet I saw Lou get calls on every jumper he took. It's great that 'Melo hasn't been losing his rhythm through all this bogus foul trouble he's been in, but it won't last.
 
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http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nba-b...gles-with-the-triangle-offense-201717024.html


Carmelo Anthony, meanwhile, is in a lot of ways the absolute perfect offensive threat for the triangle. His ability to lure defenders toward him away from the ball will help tilt the floor toward him and upset the defense’s balance. His adeptness at flashing quickly to the post or finishing along the baseline is tailor made for this offense, and his preference to curl over from the weak side to gather a pass and shoot from the elbow extended area of the floor is a triple post mainstay. Anthony wasn’t assisted on many of his buckets last year, but Raymond Felton also won’t be manning a Mike Woodson-inspired offense this season.

He’ll have to commit, and play proper basketball – and we don’t mean giving up shots or passing the ball more. Phil Jackson wouldn’t mind in the slightest if Anthony matched or even topped his 21.3 shot attempts per game mark from last season if Carmelo was going about those shots properly. Jordan routinely averaged more shots per game in the triangle, and Kobe even more than that (though Bryant strayed away from the triangle far more often).

No, what Anthony needs to do is keep moving, keep cutting, and keep thinking three moves ahead with the knowledge that the first move could change in an instant and that he better be ready. The beauty of the triangle is that when it clicks, and you start to understand how to work within, the opportunities seem endless.

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:russ: @ that lil tidbit about Kobe in the triangle.
 

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In the gospel of NBA 2K15, Shaq said it took 22 minutes to master the triangle :russ:

I no longer have patience this year :ufdup:
 

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You know JR sees himself as the Jordan/Kobe of the Knicks triangle :pachaha:
 
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