Popovich says Euro Players work harder

[NYC Rebel]

It's not racism. Most black players tend to have a chip on their shoulders and are not as coachable. Iverson. Marbury. But to be fair there are far more coachable black players than the uncoachable ones but the media noise makes it seem like the other way around. For every Iverson there are about 15 Grant Hills. But the "Iverson" types be on the news so often you'd thing the ratio is the other way around.

Dont know about the hard worker part though... maybe less talented players putting in more effort is what he means

Most black players are coachable that have made it that far. Problem is, the 2% that aren't get 50% of the press, smearing most of the compliant players.

Funny how Pops feelings have been muted since the Spurs haven't been in the championship and now this narrative has revived itself.

 

[Trip]

Most black players are coachable that have made it that far. Problem is, the 2% that are get 50% of the press, smearing most of the compliant players.

Funny how Pops feelings have been muted since the Spurs haven't been in the championship and now this narrative has revived itself.

id say this is accurate

 

[I.V.]

id say this is accurate

Disagree.

His opinion hasn't changed. It's not a narrative, it's his experience.


Painting it as a bias because you disagree is argumentative for arguments sake. I don't think we can verify that 2% statistic.

 

[intruder]

Most black players are coachable that have made it that far. Problem is, the 2% that aren't get 50% of the press, smearing most of the compliant players.

Funny how Pops feelings have been muted since the Spurs haven't been in the championship and now this narrative has revived itself.

But think about it? Who wants to interview you when you are not winning? Ask Vinny Del Negro how many interview requests he's gotten lately

 

[NYC Rebel]

Disagree.

His opinion hasn't changed. It's not a narrative, it's his experience.


Painting it as a bias because you disagree is argumentative for arguments sake. I don't think we can verify that 2% statistic.

If you think most players who've made the league are uncoachable, be my guest. Most of the players that have made it that pretty much are coachable and go about their business as a business.

The Poppovich narrative sudden appearance in the Finals is suspect as hell. No one was interested hearing this the past few years.

 

[Trip]

Disagree.

His opinion hasn't changed. It's not a narrative, it's his experience.


Painting it as a bias because you disagree is argumentative for arguments sake. I don't think we can verify that 2% statistic.

sure the actual number who knows....but Id say Reb is right in saying most of the black American players who have gotten to the league were at least at one point coachable.(over the years, and this is just gut feeling...there does seem to be a rise in divaness/super friends type of garbage going on)

Now Pop's had the luxury of having his system in place forever now...guys know what to expect and if they deviate they're gone. He's just gotten the right guys, and a lot of them happen to be Euros.

If Pop was a young coach fighting for his job...could he even afford to have that opinion?

 

[I.V.]

If you think most players who've made the league are uncoachable,

Forced to cut you off there. Because I don't think that, and I didn't say that. I'd say every play in the nba has worked hard to get where they are. Bar none, except for Dwight.

The article made a comparison it was MORE versus LESS, not "black players are uncoachable"

That's a narrative YOU have created, in order to argue in this thread.


Typical black poster, chip on your shoulder, feel like everything has been given to you, lazy, don't want to work on your fundamentals, driven by ego rather than the pursuit of the perfect post.

Spoiler

 

[NYC Rebel]

Forced to cut you off there. Because I don't think that, and I didn't say that. I'd say every play in the nba has worked hard to get where they are. Bar none, except for Dwight.

The article made a comparison it was MORE versus LESS, not "black players are uncoachable"

That's a narrative YOU have created, in order to argue in this thread.


Typical black poster, chip on your shoulder, feel like everything has been given to you, lazy, don't want to work on your fundamentals, driven by ego rather than the pursuit of the perfect post.

Spoiler

When you say you can't quantify that 2% statistic, you're basically opening the door to saying there are more rabble rousing players in the NBA than need be.

 

[I.V.]

When you say you can't quantify that 2% statistic, you're basically opening the door to saying there are more rabble rousing players in the NBA than need be.

I feel like we're pretty far into the weeds right now, because I don't even understand what you're saying here.


Anyway, since it's just you and me in here - we might as well move on cuz we're

 

[bzb]

some of you cats making this too complicated imo...

some euro players work harder when they come to the nba because they have to prove they're capable and good enough to play in the world's best and most competitive league.

also many euro players aren't as athletically gifted as some of the us players. they rely more on work ethic and smarts, than raw physical ability. case in point are tony parker and manu ginobli. even gary neal who was a euro player. none of those guys are tall, extremely fast, can jump out the gym. but their smarts, coach-ability and work ethic arguably have been helped along by their time in the euro leagues. the talent isn't separated there as much by physical ability as it is here.

now compare those guys to lebron, wade, bosh. guys who always depended on their physically superiority first and their skill set and smarts second. now you see why a physically inferior and better coached team like the spurs are so challenging for the heat. that's not saying the heat can't still win, but it's an uphill battle.

then there's the guy who had it all. best player to play the game of basketball. work ethic, smarts, and physical ability out of this world. coached by one of the best college coaches ever and then by one of the best nba coaches ever. no wonder he is the goat.

 

[NYC Rebel]

some of you cats making this too complicated imo...

some euro players work harder when they come to the nba because they have to prove they're capable and good enough to play in the world's best and most competitive league.

also many euro players aren't as athletically gifted as some of the us players. they rely more on work ethic and smarts, than raw physical ability. case in point are tony parker and manu ginobli. even gary neal who was a euro player. none of those guys are tall, extremely fast, can jump out the gym. but their smarts, coach-ability and work ethic arguably have been helped along by their time in the euro leagues. the talent isn't separated there as much by physical ability as it is here.

now compare those guys to lebron, wade, bosh. guys who always depended on their physically superiority first and their skill set and smarts second. now you see why a physically inferior and better coached team like the spurs are so challenging for the heat. that's not saying the heat can't still win, but it's an uphill battle.

then there's the guy who had it all. best player to play the game of basketball. work ethic, smarts, and physical ability out of this world. coached by one of the best college coaches ever and then by one of the best nba coaches ever. no wonder he is the goat.

Manu and Parker are athletic as fukk.

Thats why we talk about the bullshyt bias. The "rely more on work ethic and smarts" ethos even applies to dudes that will cross you over or will throw it on you like a common streetballer.

 

[bzb]

Manu and Parker are athletic as fukk.

Thats why we talk about the bullshyt bias. The "rely more on work ethic and smarts" ethos even applies to dudes that will cross you over or will throw it on you like a common streetballer.

they're no more athletic than the avg nba player imo. their avg athleticism isn't what puts them over the top to make them better than avg players. it's the other intangibles.

 

[NYC Rebel]

they're no more athletic than the avg nba player imo. their avg athleticism isn't what puts them over the top to make them better than avg players. it's the other intangibles.

That's straight bullshyt.

 

[bzb]

That's straight bullshyt.

no, it's the obvious truth. parker isn't faster than norris cole. manu can't jump any higher than players at his position. neither of them are stronger than the avg player.

but according to you these guys are physical specimens.

 

[NYC Rebel]

no, it's the obvious truth. parker isn't faster than norris cole. manu can't jump any higher than players at his position. neither of them are stronger than the avg player.

but according to you these guys are physical specimens.

Tony Parker is one of the fastest players in the league. Manu had ridiculous hops and a crossover no different than streetballer.
Both players rely on athleticism for most of their career, not this headsy euro stereotype you're applying to them.