Prime Iverson or Kevin Durant

[Da King]

Imagine if was 6'9" :2wow:

 

[Draje]

"In T-Mac’s greatest season, he averaged 32.1 points, 6.5 rebounds, and 5.5 assists. Oh, and he had a 30+ PER, something only 7 guys have done in history. Durant’s best season reads as: 32 points, 7.4 rebounds, and 5.5 assists. Both of these seasons can only be described as bonkers. Neither one of these guys could be guarded. But the guy, who could guard other players much better, was T-Mac. McGrady has been described as a Scottie Pippen-esque defender, able to guard four positions and the other team’s best player. Durant is an above average defender, but he never guards the other team’s best player, let alone four positions. I give Durant the edge on scoring, Tracy defense, Durant rebounding, and Tracy playmaking."

Except Durant was in a much tougher conference (One of the most stacked Western conferences we've ever seen) shot a higher percentage (vastly), and he still scored just as much on a vastly higher percentage.

 

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Your argument sucks. You're just assuming that T-Mac is gonna gel with any other player and his efficiency would go up. We don't know that.

T-Mac never put on any performance in the playoffs and almost never made it out of the 2nd round in his prime, even when he was playing in the a East.

Durant did just fine without Westbrook and was more efficient without him and pretty much averaged 30 PPG for almost the entire run and was putting up Jordan-esque numbers. Westbrook is one of the most ball dominant players in the league so Durant's numbers are always gonna suffer even if he's great but they're still better than anything T-Mac has done.

Hell, even against the Grizzlies, when Westbrook went out, Durant didn't play bad. It was the fact that Ibaka and Sefalosha couldn't space the floor plus Perkins is so inept offensively that Gasol can pretty much forget he exists.

The Grizzlies, with Gasol healthy, are probably the best defensive team in the league. Conley, Allen, Gasol, and Prince are all great with Conley and Allen probably being the best defensive backcourt in the league.

Put Durant with any decent playmaker at PG and I'm sure his offensive game barely suffers. Dragic, Little Isaiah, Bledsoe, Conley, Lawson, etc.

Durant is on a different tier than T-Mac when it comes to scoring. Nothing has shown that Durant would take a TS% drop off of almost 8% (Massive) without Westbrook and when he went without him, he actually became more efficient through the regular season.

I wonder how Durant would do against the weak ass East in the early 00s?

Durant's numbers are going to suffer playing with another all-star caliber player??? They suffered to the tune of 42% when Westbrook wasn't playing, that I'm sure of.

According to you, Westbrook makes Durant's numbers suffer? And Durant is Jordanesque for mainly regular season feats...but my argument sucks.

lol ok.

 

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Except Durant was in a much tougher conference (One of the most stacked Western conferences we've ever seen) shot a higher percentage (vastly), and he still scored just as much on a vastly higher percentage.

So T-Mac didn't play any western conference teams during his run and if he did his numbers fell off is that what you're saying??!! Really? Elite is elite, if a player is putting up monster numbers he's going to put up those numbers regardless of what conference he's playing.

I just proved to you that T-Mac is capable of being in the conversation of Durant - by comparing both of their best seasons - if it weren't for his inability to stay healthy. But now you want to move the goal-post and say T-Mac put up those numbers cause he played in the east. Smh grasping at straws.

 

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Except Durant was in a much tougher conference (One of the most stacked Western conferences we've ever seen) shot a higher percentage (vastly), and he still scored just as much on a vastly higher percentage.

And you're forgetting....had a better team. I understand it's very convenient to forget that, especially when it doesn't support your position.



I'll post it again: "In T-Mac’s greatest season, he averaged 32.1 points, 6.5 rebounds, and 5.5 assists. Oh, and he had a 30+ PER, something only 7 guys have done in history. Durant’s best season reads as: 32 points, 7.4 rebounds, and 5.5 assists. Both of these seasons can only be described as bonkers. Neither one of these guys could be guarded. But the guy, who could guard other players much better, was T-Mac. McGrady has been described as a Scottie Pippen-esque defender, able to guard four positions and the other team’s best player. Durant is an above average defender, but he never guards the other team’s best player, let alone four positions. I give Durant the edge on scoring, Tracy defense, Durant rebounding, and Tracy playmaking."

Miss me with all that Westbrook made Durant worst argument. Westbrook would have made life a hell of a lot easier for McGrady.

 

[Draje]

Durant's numbers are going to suffer playing with another all-star caliber player??? They suffered to the tune of 42% when Westbrook wasn't playing, that I'm sure of.

According to you, Westbrook makes Durant's numbers suffer? And Durant is Jordanesque for mainly regular season feats...but my argument sucks.

lol ok.

Use a single series as a barometer for a player's scoring ability, brehs.

Westbrook missed 36 games last year and Durant's numbers were more efficient than they were with him. Sucks for you.

So T-Mac didn't play any western conference teams during his run and if he did his numbers fell off is that what you're saying??!! Really? Elite is elite, if a player is putting up monster numbers he's going to put up those numbers regardless of what conference he's playing.

I just proved to you that T-Mac is capable of being in the conversation of Durant - by comparing both of their best seasons - if it weren't for his inability to stay healthy. But now you want to move the goal-post and say T-Mac put up those numbers cause he played in the east. Smh grasping at straws.

And the seasons aren't comparable. Durant scored just as many points, on vastly higher efficiency. Durant has the vast edge. It's like saying Iverson and Prime Kobe are comparable. They're not.

He's a better scorer.

And you're forgetting....had a better team. I understand it's very convenient to forget that, especially when it doesn't support your position.



I'll post it again: "In T-Mac’s greatest season, he averaged 32.1 points, 6.5 rebounds, and 5.5 assists. Oh, and he had a 30+ PER, something only 7 guys have done in history. Durant’s best season reads as: 32 points, 7.4 rebounds, and 5.5 assists. Both of these seasons can only be described as bonkers. Neither one of these guys could be guarded. But the guy, who could guard other players much better, was T-Mac. McGrady has been described as a Scottie Pippen-esque defender, able to guard four positions and the other team’s best player. Durant is an above average defender, but he never guards the other team’s best player, let alone four positions. I give Durant the edge on scoring, Tracy defense, Durant rebounding, and Tracy playmaking."

Miss me with all that Westbrook made Durant worst argument. Westbrook would have made life a hell of a lot easier for McGrady.

Jackson, Sefalosha, Durant, Ibaka, and Perkins isn't some vastly better team than what T-Mac had to deal with. Miss me with that.

And yes, Westbrook is a high usage player who needs to have the ball in his hands so any other high usage player playing with him will probably score less than if they has a Nash or Kidd type.

Westbrook is a high usage player. Two high usage players, on the same team, especially if they're both in the FC or BC, will typically score less PPG than if they were by themselves.

 

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Use a single series as a barometer for a player's scoring ability, brehs.

Westbrook missed 36 games last year and Durant's numbers were more efficient than they were with him. Sucks for you.

And the seasons aren't comparable. Durant scored just as many points, on vastly higher efficiency. Durant has the vast edge. It's like saying Iverson and Prime Kobe are comparable. They're not.

He's a better scorer.

Jackson, Sefalosha, Durant, Ibaka, and Perkins isn't some vastly better team than what T-Mac had to deal with. Miss me with that.

And yes, Westbrook is a high usage player who needs to have the ball in his hands so any other high usage player playing with him will probably score less than if they has a Nash or Kidd type.

Westbrook is a high usage player. Two high usage players, on the same team, especially if they're both in the FC or BC, will typically score less PPG than if they were by themselves.

Using the lone playoff series we got to see Durant carry the load by himself, as a barometer, holds significantly more weight than 36 regular season regular season games.

The true measure of a player is seeing how he reacts to a defense that has ample time to prepare for him over a 7 game series.

Currently, Ibaka is one of the best rim protectors on the face of this earth, defense is just an integral part of the game as offense. And yes, Perkins, Jackson and Sefalosha are still better than what T-Mac had when he was going up against Detroit in that infamous "Happy to make it to the 2nd round" series. Again, T-Mac would be in the conversation if he had 10-12 healthy season under his belt, at the end of his career. This is not Lamar Odom we talking about here.

 

[Absolut da poet ®]

then Durrant SNAPS his tibia, Fibula, & Femur in 12 places,
Compound Fractures Hip Socket & Kneecaps,
tears patella & Achilles tendons, and
ACL, MCL, PCL, LCL, & Meniscus

Within 24 hours of this thread

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[DonFrancisco]

Durant for efficiency and more versatility than AI.

I'm not knocking AI though

 

[Leonard Washington]

then Durrant SNAPS his tibia, Fibula, & Femur in 12 places,
Compound Fractures Hip Socket & Kneecaps,
tears patella & Achilles tendons, and
ACL, MCL, PCL, LCL, & Meniscus

Within 24 hours of this thread

Spoiler

 

[Draje]

Using the lone playoff series we got to see Durant carry the load by himself, as a barometer, holds significantly more weight than 36 regular season regular season games.

The true measure of a player is seeing how he reacts to a defense that has ample time to prepare for him over a 7 game series.

Currently, Ibaka is one of the best rim protectors on the face of this earth, defense is just an integral part of the game as offense. And yes, Perkins, Jackson and Sefalosha are still better than what T-Mac had when he was going up against Detroit in that infamous "Happy to make it to the 2nd round" series. Again, T-Mac would be in the conversation if he had 10-12 healthy season under his belt, at the end of his career. This is not Lamar Odom we talking about here.

That's stupid. Nowhere does a single series hold more weight than the entirety of a season especially considering that T-Mac didn't do that well in the playoffs either.

Again, T-Mac's best season is vastly less impressive than Durant's. You say it's because he had Westbrook but his efficiency stayed the same without him

Single series doesn't override it. Durant has consistently scored at a more efficient clip than T-Mac in both the regular season and playoffs for awhile.

Find a stat or metric that shows T-Mac is a better scorer.

 

[BStapies]

Durant, not close. The efficiency on another planet then factor the rebounding, the defense. Only thing AI has on him is playmaking.

AI a way better defender then Durant bro.

 

[K-Deini]

 

[Draje]

AI a way better defender then Durant bro.

Umm, hell no.

Durant is actually a fairly decent isolation defender and is amazingly versatile due to his sheer length and quickness.

Iverson is an average defender who gambles a lot because he had trouble in isolation situations simply due to his size. There's a reason why the 76ers had a bunch of defensive beasts to surround AI

 

[Kd35brah]

Umm, hell no.

Durant is actually a fairly decent isolation defender and is amazingly versatile due to his sheer length and quickness.

Iverson is an average defender who gambles a lot because he had trouble in isolation situations simply due to his size. There's a reason why the 76ers had a bunch of defensive beasts to surround AI

I read an article last year that Durant was #1 in isolation defensive efficiency last season too.