PS4 vs Xbox One Console wars--NO DRM

[The Devil's Advocate]

i'm naming only one game because its one game i know millions of people have and are going to get. i dont have to names 40 games. shoot, are their even 40 games out.for the new consoles? lol.

I'm showing you an example of how a large gaming company that makes games for millions is pulling the same crap that everyone cried about. there should be no buts in this thread. all there should be is "yeah.. you right..they got us and its bs..we were wrong for going at xbox as if it wasnt the devs who requested it to begin with. "

think about it. what the hell does xbox gain personally from DRM? NOTHING. its the devs and the content people. any content xbox was pushing was already online only(videos/music) . so that wasnt new.
that DRM stuff was for those gaming companies. They made the request. not all but enough of the big boys to put most of us in a situation where we better be online all the time or else. we wont be playing the games we love. for those two or three of you playing games from the mom and pop companies that are 100% against DRM. more power to you. but the rest of us are stuck. Which was always going to be the case. which is why i said let MS do its thing so we can at least get some benefits out of it.

so the big boys... and enough of them... approached these companies to do this

bill gates money microsoft caved in and going bankrupt sony said fukk outta here with that bullshyt

and now companies are using ps4 as the lead platform and shytting on 360 saying they can't handle the power


what exactly did microsoft get for all this love they showed the devs??? how was ps4 punished??? seems microsoft got duped into announcing it, thinking they both would have it... or something.. your theory makes no sense to why they'd agree with the devs, ride with them through tthe backlash, turn around and say fukk them and change it back...

and never got any extra money or games or anything special for doing so

 

[MeachTheMonster]

they were gonna let you trade and sell digital games

cause they main reason people went ape shyt, was when they said you'd have to have a special code, and retailers MIGHT let you trade in games

then they stupidly went behind that and said.... you can't play used games because of this feature

Yes they were. And they NEVER said you couldn't trade game or play used games. Sony Stans made that up and still repeat it to this day.

 

[MeachTheMonster]

so the big boys... and enough of them... approached these companies to do this

bill gates money microsoft caved in and going bankrupt sony said fukk outta here with that bullshyt

and now companies are using ps4 as the lead platform and shytting on 360 saying they can't handle the power


what exactly did microsoft get for all this love they showed the devs??? how was ps4 punished??? seems microsoft got duped into announcing it, thinking they both would have it... or something.. your theory makes no sense to why they'd agree with the devs, ride with them through tthe backlash, turn around and say fukk them and change it back...

and never got any extra money or games or anything special for doing so

No one is using ps4 as the lead platform and you do notice that's its Microsoft getting all the third party exclusive love right?

 

[ORDER_66]

Yes they were. And they NEVER said you couldn't trade game or play used games. Sony Stans made that up and still repeat it to this day.

You seem to forget these bulletpoints meach.... You seem to fukking forget everytime the microsoft screwjob....

I was watching the E3 reveal, and remembered these bulletpoints. why do you fukking forget this shyt so easily!!?!?!?

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[The Devil's Advocate]

Yes they were. And they NEVER said you couldn't trade game or play used games. Sony Stans made that up and still repeat it to this day.

That's a lie. Ok halfway truth

When it was announced people ask immediately what about rentals, used, trades. They hit back with some bullshyt about select retailers and having a code for reuse or paying a fee to the devs for used games

And to top it all off. That was "coming soon" and wouldn't even be a launch feature

That was the whole basis for the Sony reply video of how to trade games. Which consisted of one man handing another guy a game




Exact words from ms:

As for used games, Microsoft is passing the buck to game publishers. The company isn't enacting a widespread ban on the transfers of used games, but it sounds like companies such as EA and Activision will have that option. Another option would be for publishers to charge fees for license transfers.

In Microsoft's words:

• 
  Today, some gamers choose to sell their old disc-based games back for cash and credit. We designed Xbox One so game publishers can enable you to trade in your games at participating retailers. Microsoft does not charge a platform fee to retailers, publishers, or consumers for enabling transfer of these games.

Nobody wanted nor asked for that shyt. Why would you even give devs this offer??

This has zero to do with gaming, gamers or improving the system or giving me a feature. In fact you are taking money out of my pocket by not allowing me to sell shyt (made 200 of 14 games to get my ps4). Then you are going to take more money by allowing devs to get a cut off me buying a used game


THAT is what killed it for them. If they said 24 hours, have the disc in the slot, game buying, trading and selling remain as is, they'd have....... A ps4 and a current xb one

It's a year later and nobody is crying about game sharing. The low number of people with regret do not equal the high number of people who would have been affected by that MAJOR change

They literally tried to change the way we buy and sell video games in one swoop

"You can't change a players game in the 9th inning"

 

[The Devil's Advocate]

No one is using ps4 as the lead platform and you do notice that's its Microsoft getting all the third party exclusive love right?

Yes they are which is why shyt is marketed to the lead system. It's why devs are stating in interviews the ps4 is more powerful. It's why 3rd party games are looking better on ps4


I haven't noticed any great games yall are getting that we aren't. Halo I'll give you cause you'll bring it up. Sunset I won't give you cause it looks trash. forza I'll give you cause it's a hot game. But 2 of those are Microsoft games somewhat and 3 games ain't shyt


For the beating ms took they should have got the gta exclusive or a month long 2k15 or destiny exclusive release or something

They got stuck in the ass and basically lost the war by announcing t shyt. Had to eat those words and look silly "we can't flip a switch. Buy a 360". basically had a pr nightmare that is still going on

And all they got was........... What again?


They should have spent money making the kinect into this marvel of a machine that has 1st party games like damn near VR. Instead they fukked that yo too and look to be abandoning that too

 

[MeachTheMonster]

You seem to forget these bulletpoints meach.... You seem to fukking forget everytime the microsoft screwjob....

I was watching the E3 reveal, and remembered these bulletpoints. why do you fukking forget this shyt so easily!!?!?!?

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That's not from microsoft. That's stuff a guy such as yourself made with limited/incorrect info

 

[PS5 Pro]

PS4 vs Xbox One Console wars--NO DRM

PS4 stans "i mean... what if i dont have internet for a month..i wont be able to play my game? thats ridiculous. I hope xbox loses the sales war because of this."

The word was already out that this wasnt something coming from either console's offices. It was coming directly from the developers themselves. but nooooooo, stan a console instead of paying attention to reality.

Anyone has the sales figures for 2k15 for both systems?
Anyone in here with a PS4 willing to admit that 2k15 is an "ALWAYS ONLINE" game? meaning if their servers are down the game doesnt work Even with single player modes? I know this is the case because i'm playing it on XBOX. any time or moment the server is down(was down for hours after that first patch this friday) i could not play MyCareer( a purely single player mode). They have you locked into being always online because their VC(in game money) is connected to the game and connected to real money you probably will end up spending to get more VC.

This didnt come from M$ it didnt come from Sony it came from the Devs of 2k15. So all that going crazy was all for not. Now sure some of you will say "oh well at least WE..won the war" Who's WE? iS sony's online setup as solid as Xbox live? NOPE. so think about this for a moment. sony's online isnt and never has been as good as live with MS as competition. what the hell do you think they are going to do to fix things if there isnt any competition(cause you sony fanboys would love to see M$ disappear...or so you think.)

Think about this for a moment. all or just about all of your games or at least the big games that everyone plays will be locked in as DRM-esk games. on a console that doesnt have a A quality online setup. pretty messed up dont you think? or will we ignore this to get back to Stanning?

I know this nikka named Courtdog, he was talking about how its up to the dev's and that sony purposely made it clear that THEY wouldn't force it but that its was up to the developers.

Then he made this very keen observation.

How could a company do some kind of DRM issue on Xbox One and NOT DO IT ON PS4.
Think about that comment for one second stanleys. Intelligent nikka Courtdog had a point
No way a dev would do that, so what would they do? Exactly what Courtdog and this thread starter said

But you know, for speaking that truth. Hate on the brotha and create a "kennel" because you're too ghat damn stupid to see whats really going on

Yes they are which is why shyt is marketed to the lead system. It's why devs are stating in interviews the ps4 is more powerful. It's why 3rd party games are looking better on ps4


I haven't noticed any great games yall are getting that we aren't. Halo I'll give you cause you'll bring it up. Sunset I won't give you cause it looks trash. forza I'll give you cause it's a hot game. But 2 of those are Microsoft games somewhat and 3 games ain't shyt


For the beating ms took they should have got the gta exclusive or a month long 2k15 or destiny exclusive release or something

They got stuck in the ass and basically lost the war by announcing t shyt. Had to eat those words and look silly "we can't flip a switch. Buy a 360". basically had a pr nightmare that is still going on

And all they got was........... What again?


They should have spent money making the kinect into this marvel of a machine that has 1st party games like damn near VR. Instead they fukked that yo too and look to be abandoning that too

Devs have stated that the PS4 is more powerful as of right now.
But the XB1 is designed to shine differently than the PS4 is
How much of an advantage or disadvantage is unknown as of right
But potentially, the xbox one will eventually MURDER the ps4 in every way
Oh wait, it already is except in resolution in a handful of games

2015 = Cloud, Tiled Resources, DX12. Talk that shyt once devs actually have a chance to work with the xbox one's "weapons" of ass destruction

 

[MeachTheMonster]

That's a lie. Ok halfway truth

When it was announced people ask immediately what about rentals, used, trades. They hit back with some bullshyt about select retailers and having a code for reuse or paying a fee to the devs for used games

And to top it all off. That was "coming soon" and wouldn't even be a launch feature

That was the whole basis for the Sony reply video of how to trade games. Which consisted of one man handing another guy a game




Exact words from ms:

As for used games, Microsoft is passing the buck to game publishers. The company isn't enacting a widespread ban on the transfers of used games, but it sounds like companies such as EA and Activision will have that option. Another option would be for publishers to charge fees for license transfers.

In Microsoft's words:

• 
  Today, some gamers choose to sell their old disc-based games back for cash and credit. We designed Xbox One so game publishers can enable you to trade in your games at participating retailers. Microsoft does not charge a platform fee to retailers, publishers, or consumers for enabling transfer of these games.

Nobody wanted nor asked for that shyt. Why would you even give devs this offer??

This has zero to do with gaming, gamers or improving the system or giving me a feature. In fact you are taking money out of my pocket by not allowing me to sell shyt (made 200 of 14 games to get my ps4). Then you are going to take more money by allowing devs to get a cut off me buying a used game


THAT is what killed it for them. If they said 24 hours, have the disc in the slot, game buying, trading and selling remain as is, they'd have....... A ps4 and a current xb one

It's a year later and nobody is crying about game sharing. The low number of people with regret do not equal the high number of people who would have been affected by that MAJOR change

They literally tried to change the way we buy and sell video games in one swoop

"You can't change a players game in the 9th inning"

"Select retailers" would have been all the major retailers, and they said nothing about it not being ready for launch. You made that up.

And yes people are asking for the ability to sell/share/trade digital games. X1 would have allowed them to do that.

Also you wouldn't have to switch discs. And a friend could borrow your games without the need for your physical disc.

Yes it was a new way to buy and play games, and the experience would have been better because of it.

 

[MeachTheMonster]

Yes they are which is why shyt is marketed to the lead system. It's why devs are stating in interviews the ps4 is more powerful. It's why 3rd party games are looking better on ps4


I haven't noticed any great games yall are getting that we aren't. Halo I'll give you cause you'll bring it up. Sunset I won't give you cause it looks trash. forza I'll give you cause it's a hot game. But 2 of those are Microsoft games somewhat and 3 games ain't shyt


For the beating ms took they should have got the gta exclusive or a month long 2k15 or destiny exclusive release or something

They got stuck in the ass and basically lost the war by announcing t shyt. Had to eat those words and look silly "we can't flip a switch. Buy a 360". basically had a pr nightmare that is still going on

And all they got was........... What again?


They should have spent money making the kinect into this marvel of a machine that has 1st party games like damn near VR. Instead they fukked that yo too and look to be abandoning that too

You sure type a lot.

shyt is marketed to whoever pays the marketing deal. Devs in interviews say they are pretty close in power, and yes some 3rd party games look better but it has nothing to do with ps4 being the lead platform.

X1 has more 3rd party support right now. Both with exclusive games, and content.

There are 3 recently released kinect games that are getting great reviews and selling well.


You type a lot of shyt but you are really misinformed. You just repeat what you heard in the Sony echo chamber and run with it.

 

[The Devil's Advocate]

You sure type a lot.

shyt is marketed to whoever pays the marketing deal. Devs in interviews say they are pretty close in power, and yes some 3rd party games look better but it has nothing to do with ps4 being the lead platform.

X1 has more 3rd party support right now. Both with exclusive games, and content.

There are 3 recently released kinect games that are getting great reviews and selling well.


You type a lot of shyt but you are really misinformed. You just repeat what you heard in the Sony echo chamber and run with it.

i type a lot to hopefully not have to type the same shyt twice.. but i'll make it quick

1... devs in interviews say close, but then make games better on ps4.. there is not 1 single game that looks better or has better specs than its counterpart

2.. more support in shyt that nobody is buying or cares about.. which is why i said "for the backlash, they should have gotten some timed released on gta or 2k or some shyt" you know.. AAAA games

3.. fukk kinect.. fukk reviews.. i don't want to dance around and do voice commands.. its like 4-6 years in.. why can't i shoot a jumper in 2k15 or juke in madden... shyt wii had exclusives that were motion for AAA titles.. ms got endless money and this is what we get

4.. everything i said i can bring up

 

[The Devil's Advocate]

"Select retailers" would have been all the major retailers, and they said nothing about it not being ready for launch. You made that up.

And yes people are asking for the ability to sell/share/trade digital games. X1 would have allowed them to do that.

Also you wouldn't have to switch discs. And a friend could borrow your games without the need for your physical disc.

Yes it was a new way to buy and play games, and the experience would have been better because of it.

sooooooo you just made up who the retailers where.. when MS never once told us who they were

but i'm making up shyt when posting direct quotes, right from their mouths... got it.. well what about this

• Trade-in and resell your disc-based games: Today, some gamers choose to sell their old disc-based games back for cash and credit. We designed Xbox One so game publishers can enable you to trade in your games at participating retailers. Microsoft does not charge a platform fee to retailers, publishers, or consumers for enabling transfer of these games.
  
• Give your games to friends: Xbox One is designed so game publishers can enable you to give your disc-based games to your friends. There are no fees charged as part of these transfers. There are two requirements: you can only give them to people who have been on your friends list for at least 30 days and each game can only be given once.

1... they clearly had no listing of what retailers

2... they clearly wouldn't know since they left the pay or not, how much, and to whom, completely up to publishers as seen in my first post

3... you can trade games ONE TIME... so no.. there was no selling and reselling.. or trading.. you gave it up.. it was gone. and notice i said give... not sell.. and notice the 30 day limit and a bunch of other fukkery... i can sell destiny right now for $45 and buy a used 2k for $40... from any random fukk i want on the internets

4. not to mention that cuts out ebay, selling at the pawn shop, selling to your brother or any other type of basic human rights you have... you know.. to do what you want with your own shyt

5... they fukked up.. i still say.. you don't have that used/trade/buy problem and no one would care... americans aren't without internet.. that was always a dumb complaint.. but remembering the fiasco, used and old games were WAY higher on the list of complaints... shyt you got gamefly beasting and redbox carrying games... nikkas selling games from gamestop to ebay to amazon... devs complaining how the used market is killing games cause it's so widespread... and you think the uproar wasn't about that?? you think the devs came to them and said do this... but then don't think the fans thought this was the main issue??

 

[MeachTheMonster]

i type a lot to hopefully not have to type the same shyt twice.. but i'll make it quick

1... devs in interviews say close, but then make games better on ps4.. there is not 1 single game that looks better or has better specs than its counterpart

2.. more support in shyt that nobody is buying or cares about.. which is why i said "for the backlash, they should have gotten some timed released on gta or 2k or some shyt" you know.. AAAA games

3.. fukk kinect.. fukk reviews.. i don't want to dance around and do voice commands.. its like 4-6 years in.. why can't i shoot a jumper in 2k15 or juke in madden... shyt wii had exclusives that were motion for AAA titles.. ms got endless money and this is what we get

4.. everything i said i can bring up

1. True. Though this has nothing to do with one console being the "lead console"

2. People are buying and caring about those games. Each sold at least a million. X1 has 4 exclusive games this holiday season rated 80 or above

3. You saying fukk kinect doesn't mean other people don't enjoy it.

4. You went from making incorrect factual claims, to positioning them as your opinion.

 

[MeachTheMonster]

sooooooo you just made up who the retailers where.. when MS never once told us who they were

but i'm making up shyt when posting direct quotes, right from their mouths... got it.. well what about this

• Trade-in and resell your disc-based games: Today, some gamers choose to sell their old disc-based games back for cash and credit. We designed Xbox One so game publishers can enable you to trade in your games at participating retailers. Microsoft does not charge a platform fee to retailers, publishers, or consumers for enabling transfer of these games.
  
• Give your games to friends: Xbox One is designed so game publishers can enable you to give your disc-based games to your friends. There are no fees charged as part of these transfers. There are two requirements: you can only give them to people who have been on your friends list for at least 30 days and each game can only be given once.

1... they clearly had no listing of what retailers

2... they clearly wouldn't know since they left the pay or not, how much, and to whom, completely up to publishers as seen in my first post

3... you can trade games ONE TIME... so no.. there was no selling and reselling.. or trading.. you gave it up.. it was gone. and notice i said give... not sell.. and notice the 30 day limit and a bunch of other fukkery... i can sell destiny right now for $45 and buy a used 2k for $40... from any random fukk i want on the internets

4. not to mention that cuts out ebay, selling at the pawn shop, selling to your brother or any other type of basic human rights you have... you know.. to do what you want with your own shyt

5... they fukked up.. i still say.. you don't have that used/trade/buy problem and no one would care... americans aren't without internet.. that was always a dumb complaint.. but remembering the fiasco, used and old games were WAY higher on the list of complaints... shyt you got gamefly beasting and redbox carrying games... nikkas selling games from gamestop to ebay to amazon... devs complaining how the used market is killing games cause it's so widespread... and you think the uproar wasn't about that?? you think the devs came to them and said do this... but then don't think the fans thought this was the main issue??

1. Retailers like GameStop, best buy, and Walmart had all ready put out statements that they were on board.

2. That's still up to publishers now. There's still no change

3. You could give the game as a GIFT one time. Games could be traded and bought used as many times as you wanted.

4. Pawn shops were out(stupid way to sell games anyway) some new trading and sharing options were in. So where you may have lost a way to save money in one way, you gained a way to save in another. You could let your brother play your game without giving him the disc, there would be no need to sell it to him and you get to keep your disc. That's a better option than being stuck trying to pass a disc around, or being unable to play your game once your brother gets it.

5. Once again people fought against more options at the behest of their own experience mainly due to console allegiance and ignorance to what was on offer. It's the same thing you are doing here. Misrepresenting some things, misunderstanding others.

 

[The Devil's Advocate]

1. Retailers like GameStop, best buy, and Walmart had all ready put out statements that they were on board.

2. That's still up to publishers now. There's still no change

3. You could give the game as a GIFT one time. Games could be traded and bought used as many times as you wanted.

4. Pawn shops were out(stupid way to sell games anyway) some new trading and sharing options were in. So where you may have lost a way to save money in one way, you gained a way to save in another. You could let your brother play your game without giving him the disc, there would be no need to sell it to him and you get to keep your disc. That's a better option than being stuck trying to pass a disc around, or being unable to play your game once your brother gets it.

5. Once again people fought against more options at the behest of their own experience mainly due to console allegiance and ignorance to what was on offer. It's the same thing you are doing here. Misrepresenting some things, misunderstanding others.

1-4 proof please


5.. you are missing my point... i have no loyalty.. i had every xbox.. i don't want 3 retailers.. i don't want 10.. i want them allllllllllllllllllllllll. everybody always wants everything is my point

you start taking away shyt, people gonna riot... if you ask the game devs what's the biggest problem to making money, they'll say used games... they figure if they cut that out, every used game, is a new game sale now... they tried... they saw how far they got with it

the part that fukks me up is ms letting themselves be the scapegoat for it, without ever asking "ummm is the other company doing this" or "ummmm if we get fukked over, how y'all gonna grease our palms"